Doctrinal proof from the Word of God proving that salvation is by grace alone
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I must first admit my biblical knowledge is lacking severely. I read the bible but have only been doing so over the past few months.
With that said I do wonder about the once saved always saved argument. I do believe a born again Christian will go to heaven even if they fall away from god. But if that's true then why does Jesus say adulterers will not enter the kingdom of heaven? There are a lot of unbiblical divorces and subsequent remarriages by adulterers who are born again believers.
This question is one that seems to be the only way a Christian could go to hell. Or if I'm wrong feel free to explain. I'm a young slow growing Christian still trying to find his way.
With that said I do wonder about the once saved always saved argument. I do believe a born again Christian will go to heaven even if they fall away from god. But if that's true then why does Jesus say adulterers will not enter the kingdom of heaven? There are a lot of unbiblical divorces and subsequent remarriages by adulterers who are born again believers.
This question is one that seems to be the only way a Christian could go to hell. Or if I'm wrong feel free to explain. I'm a young slow growing Christian still trying to find his way.
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jakael02
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Uglytruth -
This is because Once Saved Always Saved (OSAS) is scriptural only if you interpret scripture under a certain context. Most Christians adhere to the theology that you can lose Christ if you reject his will. However, most on this forum will defend OSAS because they have a Baptist lineage.
Matthew 10:22: And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. (KSV)
Kindly - James
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I rejected gods will 10 yrs ago, then came back just a few short months ago. I felt god tugging on me over the years but ignored it. My question would be that if Jesus died
For all our sins and we are sinful people by nature how would god send us to hell? Does the bible not say that once your a child of god he never lets you go? I've heard that be said but have yet to read it in the bible.
For all our sins and we are sinful people by nature how would god send us to hell? Does the bible not say that once your a child of god he never lets you go? I've heard that be said but have yet to read it in the bible.
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The most confusing thing about reading the bible is the different ways to interrupt it. Sometimes when I'm reading I think I'm getting an answer to something, but as I read on I find something that is contradictory to what I thought I had read a few PGs back.
I come to these forums and all I usually see is users arguing with users. This makes it very difficult to grow. Anyways any thought on how I should read the bible? Should I take it as black and white? Or should I try to put in context?
I come to these forums and all I usually see is users arguing with users. This makes it very difficult to grow. Anyways any thought on how I should read the bible? Should I take it as black and white? Or should I try to put in context?
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jakael02
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Yep, much arguing. I'd get a well recommended Bible commentary from a top scholar. Then stay away from these forums while you read his word regularly. It will be benefical. I'm Catholic and use the Ignatious Catholic Bible Study; which is written by top world-renowned scholars. But you probably are not Catholic, and should seek out a good Bible study that fits your background.
Many on this forum argue for fun. Ignore us!
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You misunderstand my reasoning.
For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake. (Titus 1:10, 11 KJV)
There IS a reason to stand up for doctrinal truth, because the more we slack, the harder other religious groups work to spread misinformation and lies, like Catholocism. It's nothing against you, friend.
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They also invented Purgatory and started charging the True Believers to pray the deceased out of Purgatory. Now, that was a real con job.
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You misunderstand my reasoning.
For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake. (Titus 1:10, 11 KJV)
There IS a reason to stand up for doctrinal truth, because the more we slack, the harder other religious groups work to spread misinformation and lies, like Catholocism. It's nothing against you, friend. It's just against your legalistic, unbiblical religion.
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Amen Chris, I am in full agreement with your article. Salvation is by Grace through faith alone, and free will is a myth.
Rom 9:13 As it is written, "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."
Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means!
Rom 9:15 For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."
Rom 9:16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.
Joh 6:65 And he said, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father."
Gal 5:17 For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do.
Rom 3:10 as it is written: "None is righteous, no, not one;
Rom 3:11 no one understands; no one seeks for God.
Rom 3:12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one."
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Psa 51:5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh 3:7Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'
Joh 3:8The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit."
Rom 8:5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot.
Rom 8:8 Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.
Gal 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Rom 9:13 As it is written, "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."
Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means!
Rom 9:15 For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."
Rom 9:16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.
Joh 6:65 And he said, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father."
Gal 5:17 For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do.
Rom 3:10 as it is written: "None is righteous, no, not one;
Rom 3:11 no one understands; no one seeks for God.
Rom 3:12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one."
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Psa 51:5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh 3:7Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'
Joh 3:8The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit."
Rom 8:5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot.
Rom 8:8 Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.
Gal 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
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Yup just read the book of Romans and you will surely become a Calvanist. That is how it happened to me. I was completly against it and then I read Romans and the Lord convicted me big time. God really changed my heart on Calvanism through the book of Romans.
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Which is also unbiblical
Oh yeah, revolt against Catholicism. It's not my fault Baptists and Protestants simply ignore Scripture they do not like, playing with verses like they are a bunch of legos and connecting them in whatever way fits their belief.
God is the standard, Catholics have never said otherwise. It is a made up criticism that does not exist in reality.
In fact, non-Catholics would do well to see God's standard for what it is- He cannot look upon evil and will not justify wrongdoing. Therefore, how do you petition God for you sins when you don't even have a way to speak to Him?
You can't say Jesus, because the Trinity makes Jesus God. He cannot be a mediator between us and Himself.
The mediator is the flesh atonement of Christ. That is what makes it possible to even come into the Light. It is not, however, free of charge. One does not simply get to speak to God and forgive their sins because, as said, He cannot look upon evil.
You have to pray to Saints, it's not just a tradition. And when you are in mortal sin, you have to confess and repent so that you can approach God. This is why works are necessary.
Your belief is a 'legal fiction'. That is, it seems legitimate when mashing certain Scriptures together, but in all reality, just does not work.
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