I would look at your life to see the fruit of the faith that you say you have. If faith is genuine, then it will certainly have works. Faith is what accomplishes salvation, but works will certainly come as a result of that faith.
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Do Catholics Hear From God?
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Who keeps starting these threads about Catholics hearing from God and Catholics being Christians?
I was one, and yes, Catholics do hear from God in the EXACT same way we do. Through the eyes and ears of faith and communication in His word to us. The only problem is that I wasn't in His word much as a Catholic. TTYL Jesus loves you!
I was one, and yes, Catholics do hear from God in the EXACT same way we do. Through the eyes and ears of faith and communication in His word to us. The only problem is that I wasn't in His word much as a Catholic. TTYL Jesus loves you!
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Annabel Lee
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This was a yes or no question, Athlon.
"Athlon, if I tell you that I have the Holy Spirit in me, will you believe me?"
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It is not in the Bible because it has nothing to do with becoming a Christian or being saved.
Sprinkleing or baptizing a baby does nothing but get it wet.
Search the Scriptures, you'll find it sooner or later.
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These come from www.scripturecathoilic.com Notice how they never print out the verse so you can see it.
III. Infant Baptism
Gen. 17:12, Lev. 12:3 - these texts show the circumcision of eight-day old babies as the way of entering into the Old Covenant - Col 2:11-12 - however, baptism is the new "circumcision" for all people of the New Covenant. Therefore, baptism is for babies as well as adults. God did not make His new Covenant narrower than the old Covenant. To the contrary, He made it wider, for both Jews and Gentiles, infants and adults. WRONG
Job 14:1-4 - man that is born of woman is full of trouble and unclean. Baptism is required for all human beings because of our sinful human nature.WRONG
Psalm 51:5 - we are conceived in the iniquity of sin. This shows the necessity of baptism from conception. WRONG
Matt. 18:2-5 - Jesus says unless we become like children, we cannot enter into heaven. So why would children be excluded from baptism? WRONG
Matt 19:14 - Jesus clearly says the kingdom of heaven also belongs to children. There is no age limit on entering the kingdom, and no age limit for being eligible for baptism. WRONG
Mark 10:14 - Jesus says to let the children come to Him for the kingdom of God also belongs to them. Jesus says nothing about being too young to come into the kingdom of God. NO WATER HERE
Mark 16:16 - Jesus says to the crowd, "He who believes and is baptized will be saved." But in reference to the same people, Jesus immediately follows with "He who does not believe will be condemned." This demonstrates that one can be baptized and still not be a believer. This disproves the Protestant argument that one must be a believer to be baptized. There is nothing in the Bible about a "believer's baptism." WRONG
Luke 18:15 - the people brought infants to Jesus that he might touch them. This proves that the receipt of grace is not dependent upon the age of reason. WRONG
Acts 2:38 - Peter says to the multitude, "Repent and be baptized.." Protestants use this verse to prove one must be a believer (not an infant) to be baptized. But the Greek translation literally says, "If you repent, then each one who is a part of you and yours must each be baptized." This is confirmed in the next verse. WRONG
Acts 2:39 - Peter then says baptism is specifically given to children as well as adults. God's covenant family includes children. The word "children" that Peter used comes from the Greek word "teknon" which also includes infants. WRONG
Luke 1:59 - this proves that "teknon" includes infants. Here, John as a "teknon" (infant) was circumcised. See also Acts 21:21. So baptism is for infants as well as adults. WRONG
Acts 10:47-48 - Peter baptized the entire house of Cornelius, which generally included infants and young children. There is not one word in Scripture about baptism being limited to adults. WRONG
Acts 16:15 - Paul baptized Lydia and her entire household. The word "household" comes from the Greek word "oikos" which is a household that includes infants and children. WRONG
Acts 16:15 - further, Paul baptizes the household based on Lydia's faith, not the faith of the members of the household. This demonstrates that parents can present their children for baptism based on the parents' faith, not the children's faith. WRONG
Acts 16:30-33 - it was only the adults who were candidates for baptism that had to profess a belief in Jesus. This is consistent with the Church's practice of instructing catechumens before baptism. But this verse does not support a "believer's baptism" requirement for everyone. See Acts 16:15,33. ITS THE "CHURCH" THAT IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE BIBLE
Acts 16:33 - Paul baptized the jailer (an adult) and his entire household (which had to include children). Baptism is never limited to adults and those of the age of reason. WRONG
Rom. 5:12 - sin came through Adam and death through sin. Babies' souls are affected by Adam's sin and need baptism just like adult souls. WRONG
Rom. 5:15 - the grace of Jesus Christ surpasses that of the Old Covenant. So children can also enter the new Covenant in baptism. From a Jewish perspective, it would have been unthinkable to exclude infants and children from God's Covenant kingdom. WRONG
1 Cor. 1:16 - Paul baptized the household ("oikos") of Stephanus. Baptism is not limited to adults. WRONG
Eph. 1:1; Col. 1:2 - Paul addresses the "saints" of the Church, and these include the children he addresses in Eph. 6:1 and Col. 3:20. Children become saints of the Church only through baptism. WRONG
Eph. 2:3- we are all by nature children of wrath, in sin, like all mankind. Infants are no exception. SO?
2 Thess. 3:10 - if anyone does not work let him not eat. But this implies that those who are unable to work should still be able to eat. Babies should not starve because they are unable to work, and should also not be denied baptism because they are unable to make a declaration of faith. WHAT?
Matt. 9:2; Mark 2:3-5 - the faith of those who brought in the paralytic cured the paralytic's sins. This is an example of the forgiveness of sins based on another's faith, just like infant baptism. The infant child is forgiven of sin based on the parents' faith. WRONG BIG TIME
Matt. 8:5-13; Luke 6-10 - the servant is healed based upon the centurion's faith. This is another example of healing based on another's faith. WRONG NOTHING TO DO WITH SALVATION
Mark 9:22-25 - Jesus exercises the child's unclean spirit based on the father's faith. This healing is again based on another's faith. WRONG NOTHING TO DO WITH SALVATION
Exodus 12:24-28 - the Passover was based on the parent's faith. If they did not kill and eat the lamb, their first-born child died. SO?
Joshua 5:2-7 - God punished Israel because the people had not circumcised their children. This was based on the parent's faith. The parents play a critical role in their child's salvation. NO BAPTISM HERE
III. Infant Baptism
Gen. 17:12, Lev. 12:3 - these texts show the circumcision of eight-day old babies as the way of entering into the Old Covenant - Col 2:11-12 - however, baptism is the new "circumcision" for all people of the New Covenant. Therefore, baptism is for babies as well as adults. God did not make His new Covenant narrower than the old Covenant. To the contrary, He made it wider, for both Jews and Gentiles, infants and adults. WRONG
Job 14:1-4 - man that is born of woman is full of trouble and unclean. Baptism is required for all human beings because of our sinful human nature.WRONG
Psalm 51:5 - we are conceived in the iniquity of sin. This shows the necessity of baptism from conception. WRONG
Matt. 18:2-5 - Jesus says unless we become like children, we cannot enter into heaven. So why would children be excluded from baptism? WRONG
Matt 19:14 - Jesus clearly says the kingdom of heaven also belongs to children. There is no age limit on entering the kingdom, and no age limit for being eligible for baptism. WRONG
Mark 10:14 - Jesus says to let the children come to Him for the kingdom of God also belongs to them. Jesus says nothing about being too young to come into the kingdom of God. NO WATER HERE
Mark 16:16 - Jesus says to the crowd, "He who believes and is baptized will be saved." But in reference to the same people, Jesus immediately follows with "He who does not believe will be condemned." This demonstrates that one can be baptized and still not be a believer. This disproves the Protestant argument that one must be a believer to be baptized. There is nothing in the Bible about a "believer's baptism." WRONG
Luke 18:15 - the people brought infants to Jesus that he might touch them. This proves that the receipt of grace is not dependent upon the age of reason. WRONG
Acts 2:38 - Peter says to the multitude, "Repent and be baptized.." Protestants use this verse to prove one must be a believer (not an infant) to be baptized. But the Greek translation literally says, "If you repent, then each one who is a part of you and yours must each be baptized." This is confirmed in the next verse. WRONG
Acts 2:39 - Peter then says baptism is specifically given to children as well as adults. God's covenant family includes children. The word "children" that Peter used comes from the Greek word "teknon" which also includes infants. WRONG
Luke 1:59 - this proves that "teknon" includes infants. Here, John as a "teknon" (infant) was circumcised. See also Acts 21:21. So baptism is for infants as well as adults. WRONG
Acts 10:47-48 - Peter baptized the entire house of Cornelius, which generally included infants and young children. There is not one word in Scripture about baptism being limited to adults. WRONG
Acts 16:15 - Paul baptized Lydia and her entire household. The word "household" comes from the Greek word "oikos" which is a household that includes infants and children. WRONG
Acts 16:15 - further, Paul baptizes the household based on Lydia's faith, not the faith of the members of the household. This demonstrates that parents can present their children for baptism based on the parents' faith, not the children's faith. WRONG
Acts 16:30-33 - it was only the adults who were candidates for baptism that had to profess a belief in Jesus. This is consistent with the Church's practice of instructing catechumens before baptism. But this verse does not support a "believer's baptism" requirement for everyone. See Acts 16:15,33. ITS THE "CHURCH" THAT IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE BIBLE
Acts 16:33 - Paul baptized the jailer (an adult) and his entire household (which had to include children). Baptism is never limited to adults and those of the age of reason. WRONG
Rom. 5:12 - sin came through Adam and death through sin. Babies' souls are affected by Adam's sin and need baptism just like adult souls. WRONG
Rom. 5:15 - the grace of Jesus Christ surpasses that of the Old Covenant. So children can also enter the new Covenant in baptism. From a Jewish perspective, it would have been unthinkable to exclude infants and children from God's Covenant kingdom. WRONG
1 Cor. 1:16 - Paul baptized the household ("oikos") of Stephanus. Baptism is not limited to adults. WRONG
Eph. 1:1; Col. 1:2 - Paul addresses the "saints" of the Church, and these include the children he addresses in Eph. 6:1 and Col. 3:20. Children become saints of the Church only through baptism. WRONG
Eph. 2:3- we are all by nature children of wrath, in sin, like all mankind. Infants are no exception. SO?
2 Thess. 3:10 - if anyone does not work let him not eat. But this implies that those who are unable to work should still be able to eat. Babies should not starve because they are unable to work, and should also not be denied baptism because they are unable to make a declaration of faith. WHAT?
Matt. 9:2; Mark 2:3-5 - the faith of those who brought in the paralytic cured the paralytic's sins. This is an example of the forgiveness of sins based on another's faith, just like infant baptism. The infant child is forgiven of sin based on the parents' faith. WRONG BIG TIME
Matt. 8:5-13; Luke 6-10 - the servant is healed based upon the centurion's faith. This is another example of healing based on another's faith. WRONG NOTHING TO DO WITH SALVATION
Mark 9:22-25 - Jesus exercises the child's unclean spirit based on the father's faith. This healing is again based on another's faith. WRONG NOTHING TO DO WITH SALVATION
Exodus 12:24-28 - the Passover was based on the parent's faith. If they did not kill and eat the lamb, their first-born child died. SO?
Joshua 5:2-7 - God punished Israel because the people had not circumcised their children. This was based on the parent's faith. The parents play a critical role in their child's salvation. NO BAPTISM HERE
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Jesus will return twice more, once to rapture his Church then he'll make a repeat peformance seven years later. WRONG. That would make it a third coming, not a second.
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BTW, thanks for that post Julie. Very nice job of making a case for infant Baptism. Your own editorial comments notwithstanding. 
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Yes, I understand that but why the great concern with Catholics?
Do you feel called to "correct us" or make us see the error of our ways?
Really Julie, what motivates you?
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I am concerned with a lost person or young Christian being taught or reading something that is contrary to Gods word. But that doesn't motivate me completely.
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Mark 9:24
And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.
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Mark 9:24
And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.
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Whaaaaaaaaat am I missing with all these threads??
Why on earth WOULDN'T a Catholic hear from God? Why lump a whole group of people together, and assume that group as a whole does or does not do ANYTHING in regards to God's Word? Isn't it a personal relationship with God that is the key? How can you make a blanket statement, or ask a blanket question regarding a vast group of people?
As a non-Catholic, I'm confused. Were I Catholic, I think I would be rather offended at the insinuations of these threads.
In short - I personally know several Catholics as well as non-Catholics who are quite in tune to the voice of God.
Why on earth WOULDN'T a Catholic hear from God? Why lump a whole group of people together, and assume that group as a whole does or does not do ANYTHING in regards to God's Word? Isn't it a personal relationship with God that is the key? How can you make a blanket statement, or ask a blanket question regarding a vast group of people?
As a non-Catholic, I'm confused. Were I Catholic, I think I would be rather offended at the insinuations of these threads.
In short - I personally know several Catholics as well as non-Catholics who are quite in tune to the voice of God.
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What does that mean? You are trying to lure folks away from the Catholic Church?
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So what motivates you?
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An high look, and a proud heart, and the plowing of the wicked, is sin.
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That's a tough one, to love someone as much as we love ourself.
Mark 12
30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
Romans 13:9
For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
1 John 4:10
Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
Mark 12
30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
Romans 13:9
For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
1 John 4:10
Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
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Julie:
This forum is to DISCUSS the Catholic Church and her teachings. It is not to DEBATE Catholicism.
Your attitude towards the Catholic Church is well-known. And it is NOT WELCOME in this forum.
The rules of Christian Forums are applicable to Julie, too.
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This forum is to DISCUSS the Catholic Church and her teachings. It is not to DEBATE Catholicism.
Your attitude towards the Catholic Church is well-known. And it is NOT WELCOME in this forum.
The rules of Christian Forums are applicable to Julie, too.
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