Understanding Events of the Death, Resurrection and Ascension of Christ

etr2013 · Oct 25, 2012

I am a little confused regarding the events of the death, resurrection and ascension of Christ. The confusion comes from Bible teaching when I was younger that didn't completely explain the events and confusing the meanings of some actions.

First, I believe that when Christ died He went to hades to bring with Him those that were in paradise. Now it is after this that it's a little "fuzzy" for me. When He returned from hades and was resurrected what happened to those that were in paradise? Did Christ first deliver them to heaven or did they go there on their own? Some teach that upon His resurrection Christ went to heaven with those that had been in paradise only to descend and be on earth for 40 days as recorded in the book of Acts. Then He ascended the second time and sent the Holy Spirit back.

I need clarification because if He arose and went to heaven and then came back this has to be seen as different from His Second Coming.

As always, including scripture in your response is appreciated!

Standing Up · Oct 25, 2012

Look at the pattern of Moses ascending and descending Sinai (a number of times). No one thinks this was a second, third, or fourth coming. (Exodus).

Look at the pattern of first fruit presentation (Mt. 27:56, Levitius 23).

etr2013 · Oct 25, 2012

Standing Up said:
Look at the pattern of Moses ascending and descending Sinai (a number of times). No one thinks this was a second, third, or fourth coming. (Exodus).

Look at the pattern of first fruit presentation (Mt. 27:56, Levitius 23).

So, then by your statement and please correct me if I'm wrong, Christ died, descended to hades, was resurrected, delivered to heaven those that had been in paradise and then returned to earth for 40 days before being taken up in a cloud as mentioned in Acts 1:9.

Help me to reconcile a couple places in scripture so that I understand this time line of events. Jesus tells Mary not to touch him because He has not yet ascended (John 20:17). He then appears to the disciples with Thomas not present (John 20:19). At this time had He ascended to the Father and now returned? Eight days later according to John 20:26 Thomas was with the other disciples and Jesus stood in the midst. This time He tells to Thomas to "Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing." So, I am assuming because He told Mary not to touch Him because He had not yet ascended but allowed Thomas to touch Him because He had ascended. Is that a correct assumption according to scripture?

KimberlyAA · Oct 25, 2012

While on the cross for three hours, after all the sins were laid upon him Jesus cried out that God forsook him. After nearly 6 hours on the cross Jesus said that He entrusted His spirit into the Fathers hands before He died. He was totally restored before He died. His Spirit was not committed into anyones hands, but the Fathers.

So there is no possibility of him going to hell for any reason of completing the sacrifice or punishment. He did finish on the cross everything that was needed for salvation. If Jesus went to Hell this means the Father did not accept His sacrifice, but instead rejected it.

While Jesus was on the cross He promised the thief on the cross next to him that he would be with Him in paradise that very day (Luke 23:43). If the thief was not in paradise with Him but would have entered into suffering with Jesus and Jesus lied. Paradise was still in the earth called Abrahams bosom until Christ raised and went to heaven.

The Bible-Acts 2:27, For you will not leave my soul in Hades, nor will you allow your Holy One to see corruption. Peter repeats himself just a few verses later in Acts 2:31: His soul was not left in Hell, nor did his flesh did see corruption.

Notice it says neither soul nor body saw corruption (decay). If he was a sinner would mean He did see corruption. The verse quoted by Peter is Psalm 16:10. Some Bible versions use the word hell; a more accurate translation would be Sheol. In Hebrew, this encompasses the place for both the righteous and unrighteous that have died. Sheol is used 65 times in the Old Testament; rarely is it used to denote a place of torment. The customary meaning is realm of the dead, meaning the state of death or the grave (Genesis 37:35; 1 Samuel 2:6; Psalm 141:7).

The New Testament Greek equivalent is Hades, and gives us a more detailed explanation of the realm of the dead. It is divided into two compartments; on one side is Abraham's bosom for the righteous, on the other side is what we call hell, which Jesus said: was prepared for the devil and his angels (Matthew 25:41). We find in Luke 16:23, 25 that in Hades there is a place of punishment, and a place of rest, depending on which side you are on. The context should bear it out. If Jesus went to hell for any amount of time as a punishment then the cross was insufficient for our redemption.

For example in 1 Cor 15:55: "O Death, where is your sting? O Hades, where is your victory?"
The Greek word for both death and Hades is thanatos death.

In Rev. 1:18 "I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.
The word for death is thanatos, Hades is haides in Greek, from 1 and 1492; properly, unseen, i.e. "Hades" or the place of departed souls: KJV-- grave, hell.

What actually did happen to Jesus spirit? We know He committed His spirit to God. I Peter 3:18 states, For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit. Christ died in body only, not the spirit. And continued to exist in spirit, just as He did before He came to earth. His existence in His earthly life ended but He continued His life existing in the spirit inside the earth, in Hades, before He resurrected.

It is His flesh that was made alive again, resurrected. Christ died in body only. We can prove this by 1 Peter 3:19-20: By whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly were disobedient, when once the divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah... This event occurred between Christs death and resurrection. Jesus went to those who were believers and presented his victory at the cross. He also went to those that were incarcerated from the time of the flood. The word for preach is Kerysso in Greek, meaning to proclaim or announce. This is different then to evangelize and proclaim the good news of reconciliation for salvation, which is used in 1 Peter 4:6. This proclamation was directed to either the fallen angels or the human souls that died in the flood or both (Jude 6; 2 Peter 2:4). Announcing to them their judgment is imminent, as he had just come from the victory on the cross.

Again Hades, Sheol encompasses the whole realm of the dead and the context must bear out what it says.

Standing Up · Oct 25, 2012

etr2013 said:
So, then by your statement and please correct me if I'm wrong, Christ died, descended to hades, was resurrected, delivered to heaven those that had been in paradise and then returned to earth for 40 days before being taken up in a cloud as mentioned in Acts 1:9.

Help me to reconcile a couple places in scripture so that I understand this time line of events. Jesus tells Mary not to touch him because He has not yet ascended (John 20:17). He then appears to the disciples with Thomas not present (John 20:19). At this time had He ascended to the Father and now returned? Eight days later according to John 20:26 Thomas was with the other disciples and Jesus stood in the midst. This time He tells to Thomas to "Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing." So, I am assuming because He told Mary not to touch Him because He had not yet ascended but allowed Thomas to touch Him because He had ascended. Is that a correct assumption according to scripture?

Pretty much.

The other part of the puzzle re Mary and touching is when atonement was made, no one was allowed in the tabernacle (Lev. 16:17). Upon completion, throne room now open, then okay. (The tabernacle in symbols being the earth and heaven the holy of holies.)

So, death, descent, resurrection, ascent, sprinkle, return, ascent, present, return, meals etc, then 40 days later final ascension. Will come again.

The OT typing IMO would be (this may get too far afield and just ignore if off topic).

Passover 14th-death
Unleavened bread 15th-burial
First fruit 16th-resurrection

Don't touch-(saturday night)
Ascend to heaven-atonement (Heb 10:19)
Present first fruit (sunday morning)
Return

Okay to touch (sunday afternoon)
Meal w/o Thomas
8 days later (sunday to sunday)
Meal w/ Thomas

Standing Up · Oct 25, 2012

KimberlyAA said:
While on the cross for three hours, after all the sins were laid upon him Jesus cried out that God forsook him. After nearly 6 hours on the cross Jesus said that He entrusted His spirit into the Fathers hands before He died. He was totally restored before He died. His Spirit was not committed into anyones hands, but the Fathers.

So there is no possibility of him going to hell for any reason of completing the sacrifice or punishment. He did finish on the cross everything that was needed for salvation. If Jesus went to Hell this means the Father did not accept His sacrifice, but instead rejected it.

I agree that the teaching about further punishment in hell is nonsense. Scripture says cursed is he on the cross (tree).

So, Christ had to die as sin, as sacrifice. He was restored out from death because He was sinless, because the Father did accept the perfect sacrifice.

While Jesus was on the cross He promised the thief on the cross next to him that he would be with Him in paradise that very day (Luke 23:43). If the thief was not in paradise with Him but would have entered into suffering with Jesus and Jesus lied. Paradise was still in the earth called Abrahams bosom until Christ raised and went to heaven.

The Bible-Acts 2:27, For you will not leave my soul in Hades, nor will you allow your Holy One to see corruption. Peter repeats himself just a few verses later in Acts 2:31: His soul was not left in Hell, nor did his flesh did see corruption.

Notice it says neither soul nor body saw corruption (decay). If he was a sinner would mean He did see corruption. The verse quoted by Peter is Psalm 16:10. Some Bible versions use the word hell; a more accurate translation would be Sheol. In Hebrew, this encompasses the place for both the righteous and unrighteous that have died. Sheol is used 65 times in the Old Testament; rarely is it used to denote a place of torment. The customary meaning is realm of the dead, meaning the state of death or the grave (Genesis 37:35; 1 Samuel 2:6; Psalm 141:7).

The New Testament Greek equivalent is Hades, and gives us a more detailed explanation of the realm of the dead. It is divided into two compartments; on one side is Abraham's bosom for the righteous, on the other side is what we call hell, which Jesus said: was prepared for the devil and his angels (Matthew 25:41). We find in Luke 16:23, 25 that in Hades there is a place of punishment, and a place of rest, depending on which side you are on. The context should bear it out. If Jesus went to hell for any amount of time as a punishment then the cross was insufficient for our redemption.

For example in 1 Cor 15:55: "O Death, where is your sting? O Hades, where is your victory?"
The Greek word for both death and Hades is thanatos death.

In Rev. 1:18 "I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.
The word for death is thanatos, Hades is haides in Greek, from 1 and 1492; properly, unseen, i.e. "Hades" or the place of departed souls: KJV-- grave, hell.

Okay.

What actually did happen to Jesus spirit? We know He committed His spirit to God. I Peter 3:18 states, For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit. Christ died in body only, not the spirit. And continued to exist in spirit, just as He did before He came to earth. His existence in His earthly life ended but He continued His life existing in the spirit inside the earth, in Hades, before He resurrected.

It is His flesh that was made alive again, resurrected. Christ died in body only. We can prove this by 1 Peter 3:19-20: By whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly were disobedient, when once the divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah... This event occurred between Christs death and resurrection. Jesus went to those who were believers and presented his victory at the cross. He also went to those that were incarcerated from the time of the flood. The word for preach is Kerysso in Greek, meaning to proclaim or announce. This is different then to evangelize and proclaim the good news of reconciliation for salvation, which is used in 1 Peter 4:6. This proclamation was directed to either the fallen angels or the human souls that died in the flood or both (Jude 6; 2 Peter 2:4). Announcing to them their judgment is imminent, as he had just come from the victory on the cross.

Again Hades, Sheol encompasses the whole realm of the dead and the context must bear out what it says.

Yes. And of those who believed from Hades (bosom of Abraham), they were part of the First Fruit (Mt. 27:53).

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