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Its grace that saves. Jesus says obeying his commands are part of following him, we can choose to follow or not.
Please dont misrepresent what i actually said. thank you
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Its grace that saves. Jesus says obeying his commands are part of following him, we can choose to follow or not.
Please dont misrepresent what i actually said. thank you
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A very concise reply, Tangible.
Does "." translate to "that's all that need be said"?
Does "." translate to "that's all that need be said"?
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Willie T
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Originally Posted by MoreCoffee
Faith is a personal actthe free response of the human person to the initiative of God who reveals himself. But faith is not an isolated act. No one can believe alone, just as no one can live alone. You have not given yourself faith as you have not given yourself life. The believer has received faith from others and should hand it on to others. Our love for Jesus and for our neighbor impels us to speak to others about our faith. Each believer is thus a link in the great chain of believers. I cannot believe without being carried by the faith of others, and by my faith I help support others in the faith. (CCC)
What do you think faith is?
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I cannot believe I heard a Christian say that.
What do you think faith is?
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I cannot believe I heard a Christian say that.
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Alas, I think you have identified the problem with the approach you've taken all along. Have you considered these words seriously?Originally Posted by MoreCoffee
Faith is a personal actthe free response of the human person to the initiative of God who reveals himself. But faith is not an isolated act. No one can believe alone, just as no one can live alone. You have not given yourself faith as you have not given yourself life. The believer has received faith from others and should hand it on to others. Our love for Jesus and for our neighbor impels us to speak to others about our faith. Each believer is thus a link in the great chain of believers. I cannot believe without being carried by the faith of others, and by my faith I help support others in the faith. (CCC)
What do you think faith is?
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I cannot believe I heard a Christian say that.
How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world. But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you. But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me. But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.
(Romans 10:14-21)
(Romans 10:14-21)
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Dear MoreCoffee. You asked: " What do you think faith is?" The Bible has an answer, in Hebrews, chapter 11, verse 1, Paul tells us: " Faith is the substance of things hoped for, and the evidence of things not seen."
( Authorised King James Version) I say this with love. Greetings from Emmy,
your sister in Christ.
( Authorised King James Version) I say this with love. Greetings from Emmy,
your sister in Christ.
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Explanation accepted Willie T. I don't agree with it but I'm over it.
Now, back on topic.
Have we gotten anywhere with this? I have read it called a gift. But that doesn't explain what the gift is. I've read a verse quoted calling it substance. That doesn't begin to tell me what faith is. I copped out and called it a mystery as it's something I've been studying and meditating upon to understand since 1990. It's not that I don't understand that faith is a form of power given of God. It's not that I don't have knowledge of what faith can achieve. It's that it simply take faith the accept that faith is within us.
My theory (a fancy word for opinion somewhat thought out), is that faith is a form of power that connects us to God. In my theory, our spirit understands faith fully but our flesh blinds us to the amount of power there is in this connection between God and man. Don't read this wrong. I'm not saying we are powerful like God but rather that God works through us when we use this connection. I've often had this feeling that the miracles Jesus performed where not simply God the Son using power that isn't at the Christians disposal. He even said that we could do greater things if we simply used the faith God gave us.
Now that I've said this, know it's not even risen to the level of a belief but more a thought. Feel free to pick it apart as it not like I'm in love with this theory. Just my best guess.
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Willie T
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He did not say "bolster" or "reinforce" or "help clarify". He clearly said (Well, "copied from the CCC, I think) that we get faith from others (he did not say,"from God"), and that we pass it along to others... not "influence", nor "help develop", faith in others, but actually give faith to others.
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I think your getting caught up in words. It's like I see you drowning and throw you a life ring. You grab it and with it's help make your way back to shore. Did i save you or the life ring?
As the Holy Spirit of God dwells within us, God often works through us (if we allow it). If you read that carefully you'll first see all glory is given to God for giving us the faith in the first place. I do understand from my evangelical days that we have a perception that we cannot touch the holy things of God (let alone share them with others). But think about it. Jesus is the Most Holy and we have no issue in sharing him or touching Him with our heart or with our helps to even the least of His.
It might help if you understood the mindset of your Roman, Anglican and Orthodox brethren. On the Words of Christ, we believe literally. When He said the cup was His Blood and the Bread His Body we take him at His Word. When He said the Holy Spirit would empower us, we take Him at His Word and so on and so on. When the scripture says faith comes by hearing ......that's what that passage posted means. If MoreCoffee had posted a bit more and you had read it more openly I think you could have grasped it's meaning (not that you'd have to agree with it) without it sounding so blasphemous to you. Hey, sometimes I have to read something four times before I get the posters meaning.
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Originally Posted by MoreCoffee
Faith is a personal act—the free response of the human person to the initiative of God who reveals himself. But faith is not an isolated act. No one can believe alone, just as no one can live alone. You have not given yourself faith as you have not given yourself life. The believer has received faith from others and should hand it on to others. Our love for Jesus and for our neighbor impels us to speak to others about our faith. Each believer is thus a link in the great chain of believers. I cannot believe without being carried by the faith of others, and by my faith I help support others in the faith. (CCC)
What do you think faith is?
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I cannot believe I heard a Christian say that.
Perhaps you did not notice the (CCC) at the end of the quote that was part of the Original Post which you quoted in the first post shown above, but if you didn't it was not because it was not there to be seen. And perhaps you didn't notice that chain of giving that is described in the quote from Romans in the second post shown above but it was given to help explain what being given faith means - in the passage from romans it is the content of the faith that is given, the gospel.
If you were unsure about that the intended meaning of the CCC quote was why not just ask rather than say "I cannot believe I heard a Christian say that."?
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The faith once and for all delivered to the saints is a gift from God that comes to us from outside ourselves to save us by the power of God's word in the proclamation of the Gospel and the Sacraments of Holy Baptism and Holy Communion.
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