Lesbian Awarded Money from Sept. 11 Victims Fund

Originally posted by quizzler
And its the crooked lawyers job to find loopholes for their guilty criminals so that they can roam the streets and kill again. Correct?

So what is the difference here? Here is just about lawyers finding loopholes and distort the original intent of the law, which creates more money for the layer.

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What is the relevence of this?

"If they can show things that would lead to this conclusions like.
- Living together for 18 years
- Joint financial dealings and tax status
- Joint insurance and beneficiary arrangments
- Wills, trusts, other legal relationships,"

Okay, by this definition other roomates are allowed to do it. I can claim my roomate as a dependent. I don't see anything on this list that keeps me from making this claim..So again I ask, did they give restitution for other people's roomates?

"would you have the same problem you have with it now?"

Nope, because this falls under a different catagory of relationship.

no actually it doesnt.

what is the difference between an unmarried couple that have lived together for 10 years,raised kids together, have joint financial status. 

and a homosexual couple that have lived together for 10 years,adopted and raised kids together and have joint financial status?

if it's a religious reason then that doesnt apply here.

unless you want the government to hand out money based on what they deam to be acceptable according to their religious beliefs.

at the end of the day an innocent person died along with 3000 other innocent people and her life partner is being compensated in the same way that heterosexual married and unmarried couples are.  i dont see anything wrong with that.

Originally posted by Outspoken
"If they can show things that would lead to this conclusions like.
- Living together for 18 years
- Joint financial dealings and tax status
- Joint insurance and beneficiary arrangments
- Wills, trusts, other legal relationships,"

Okay, by this definition other roomates are allowed to do it. I can claim my roomate as a dependent. I don't see anything on this list that keeps me from making this claim..So again I ask, did they give restitution for other people's roomates?

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Really, you and your roomate have named each other as beneficiaries on each other's insurance policies?  Or you've named each other as principal beneficiaries in a will or trust?  Stop being deliberately obtuse.  You know very well that a committed homosexual relationship is not the same as a same-sex living situation between roomates.  Pretending to not understand just makes you look ridiculous.

-brett

"what is the difference between an unmarried couple that have lived together for 10 years,raised kids together, have joint financial status. "

If you're asking legally, its called common law marrage.

"i dont see anything wrong with that."

I do, if you want to reward one roomate you should reward them all.

"you and your roomate have named each other as beneficiaries on each other's insurance policies? "

Maybe so. He is my best friend after all.

"You know very well that a committed homosexual relationship is not the same as a same-sex living situation between roomates."

Sure it is, in terms of the legality. that's the problem.

Well, I do agree that the real solution to the problem is to make homosexual marriages legal. The individual religions are free to bar such marriages from taking place in their churches, of course.

Legally there is no difference between a homosexual couple and two roommates, that is correct (as far as I know?)

-Chris

"yes it is the problem, and it should be solved by allowing homosexual marriages
"

Naaaa..

Do you think that all of the laws of the US should be based on Christianity, or just this one?

-Chris

 Far from natural. And if someone can explain to me how two males or two females mating make a baby, then please tell.

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[resists urge to flame]

I've got your two females mating and making a baby.



In 15 of the Cnemidophorus species there are no males. They reproduce without fertilization, a process known as parthenogenesis of "virgin birth". Parthenogenesis is well known in lower animals, such as aphids,bees, and Daphnia but is rare in vertebrates. The offspring of parthenogenic lizards are clones, identical to the mother.

There are some advantages to a parthenogenic lifestyle:

• All members of your species can lay eggs and reproduction is more efficient
• Good mutations are passed on more efficiently in clones than in sexual species
• You don't waste a lot of time and energy searching for a mate (this might not be true in this species, since the females do pair up)

One of the surprising things about unisexual whiptail reproduction is that a courtship ritual is still required even though there is only one sex. Unisexual whiptails pair up. In the courtship ritual one female takes the part of a male, while the other takes the role of a female. Later the 2 lizards switch roles. The switch is caused by hormones: estrogen promotes female behavior; progesterone stimulates male behavior. The mating ritual is required for survival of the species: without it few eggs are released (ovulation).

http://members.aol.com/Attic21/CreatureofDay/whip.html

Now, what this has to do with marriage, civil unions, life partners, etc, I have no idea (and I probably don't want to know), but I'll leave that for you to figure out. You've got the "natural" example you wanted.

You may be interested to know that while, homosexual courtships do not produce babies, they are suprisingly common in humans and other organisms - notably including Bonobos and penguins.

 

Quizzler.. you asked:

Again, if someone can explain to me how two males or two females mating make a baby, then please tell. If you can't then homosexuality is an abnormal perverted sexual act.

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[ahem]... I did. In the above post. Not that homosexual would be "abnormal", "perverted," or "unnatural" if I hadn't.

You may have your own opinions about what is "perverted", "unnatural", etc... but obviously nature has other ideas.

There is also a higher frequency of homosexual behavior among bonobos of all ages (especially among adult females), and genital contact functions as social appeasement during times of group tension.

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from http://www.zoosociety.org/Conservation/Bonobo/WhatIs.php
So nature is unnatural....

"They're one of the most dedicated couples in the penguin enclosure," said Angie Pelekedis, a spokesman for the New York Aquarium, on Coney Island. "They sleep in the same nest. They even have sex, though I don't know how successful that is."

Both 14 - in their forties in human terms - the penguins have been together for about eight years, but since penguins have no external genitalia, it was only recently that keepers discovered that both were male.

Stephanie Mitchell, a penguin keeper said: "I was only seeing one mate with the other, but then one of the other keepers saw it happen the other way round. We did a blood test that proved they were both male.

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from http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/02/21/wpeng21.xml

More of that unnatural nature!

I read from an earlier post that this nation was founded upon a belief in God, and that you couldn't even serve without acknowledging the Bible, and the triune God represented therein.

We have obviously drifted far from that place.

Originally posted by Jerry Smith
Quizzler.. you asked:



[ahem]... I did. In the above post. Not that homosexual would be "abnormal", "perverted," or "unnatural" if I hadn't.

You may have your own opinions about what is "perverted", "unnatural", etc... but obviously nature has other ideas.


from http://www.zoosociety.org/Conservation/Bonobo/WhatIs.php
So nature is unnatural....

from http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/02/21/wpeng21.xml

More of that unnatural nature!

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This is not about what other creatures do. God created us to be caretaker over all the animals. Every single species acts in different ways. God designed us differently than other creatures. Its unnatural for a dog and a cat to sleep side by side. But it does happen, whether due to training or being born basically together, or another reason. These have no bearings on us, because we hold to a different set of standards than animals do. The only thing animals really concern themselves with is eat, drink, sleep, and be safe. They don't care 401k plan they have and what is in it. They don't buy and trade. They don't have organized sports. They don't have police. They don't have armies. They don't have the intellectual capacity we do.

Some animals are smarter than some humans. A two-week-old would be greatly outclassed in the mental gym by a dog, a parrot, a chimp. Some humans are restricted by a mental disability their whole lives and might *never* be smarter than a given animal. Are they also given stewardship over a land populated by those with more intelligence than them?

Since we're restricting 'natural' homosexuality to groups which suit our own agendas, I propose that we look for homosexuality among heterosexual human men. Hmm... 0%. See? It's unnatural.

Originally posted by quizzler
This is not about what other creatures do. God created us to be caretaker over all the animals. Every single species acts in different ways. God designed us differently than other creatures. Its unnatural for a dog and a cat to sleep side by side. But it does happen, whether due to training or being born basically together, or another reason. These have no bearings on us, because we hold to a different set of standards than animals do. The only thing animals really concern themselves with is eat, drink, sleep, and be safe. They don't care 401k plan they have and what is in it. They don't buy and trade. They don't have organized sports. They don't have police. They don't have armies. They don't have the intellectual capacity we do.

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It certainly has a bearing on what's natural. You entirely neglected the previous post about lizards whose reproduction depends on homosexuality. I don't think there is much more to say.

In the pamphlet, SAME SEX MARRIAGE: Til Death Do Us Part? by Dr. Paul Cameron it is stated that society has a vested interest in prohibiting behavior that endangers the health or safety of the community.

Because of this, homosexual liaisons have historically been forbidden by law.

Homosexual coupling undermines its participants' health, has the highest rate of domestic violence, shortens life, and is a poor environment in which to raise children.

Below is a link to the whole article.

http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet7.html

Each of the following points are presented and backed up with cited research.

Fact #1: Homosexual marriages are short lived.

Fact #2: Studies show homosexual marriage is hazardous to one's health.

Fact #3: Homosexual marriage has the highest rate of domestic violence.

Fact #4: Homosexual domestic violence is a larger problem than gay bashing.

Fact #5: Homosexuals make poor parents.

Jerry, how a lizard reproduces has nothing to with the human race. I doesn't matter. People who homosexual are not looking to have kids by natural means, because they can't. Its a preverted act of what was intended.

Originally posted by websitejack
In the pamphlet, SAME SEX MARRIAGE: Til Death Do Us Part? by Dr. Paul Cameron it is stated that society has a vested interest in prohibiting behavior that endangers the health or safety of the community.

Because of this, homosexual liaisons have historically been forbidden by law.

Homosexual coupling undermines its participants' health, has the highest rate of domestic violence, shortens life, and is a poor environment in which to raise children.

Below is a link to the whole article.

http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet7.html

Each of the following points are presented and backed up with cited research.

Fact #1: Homosexual marriages are short lived.

Fact #2: Studies show homosexual marriage is hazardous to one's health.

Fact #3: Homosexual marriage has the highest rate of domestic violence.

Fact #4: Homosexual domestic violence is a larger problem than gay bashing.

Fact #5: Homosexuals make poor parents.

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Considering homosexual marriage is not legal, those so-called facts could not have been obtained by studying actual homosexual marriages.

Furthermore, the American Academy of Pediatrics has shown that homosexuals make perfectly fine parents and the children raised by homosexuals are no more likely to be gay. I'd say a SCIENTIFIC source rather than a biased site which lists a study done by a DISCREDITED scientist, Paul Cameron, would be far more credible.

It all comes back to God.

Those "facts" are merely smears and insults.

"Homosexuals make poor parents". What are the facts backing this up? Whose definition are we using?

Just another example of Conservative Christianity using deceit and slander to advance their personal agendas. Makes me sick, and at times almost ashamed to be a Christian.

-Chris