Billy Graham website admits scrubbing Mormons from cult list
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Again, we should vote our values, not our theology.
If an atheist supports the platform that the purpose of government is NOT to take care of your every perceived need free of charge, and a person claiming to be a Christian supports the platform that government is indeed to steal from productive citizens and provide every perceived need including free cable and cell phones, the atheist has the position that is better for the country's survival.
The Christian who cannot vote for Romney because he is a Mormon should certainly not vote for Obama since he supports black liberation theology and pure 100% liberal theology.
Are you a voter, Mr Jim? If not, why should we listen to you? You are only attempting to pass on your philosophy to others and get them not to vote.
Just be content with the America you get as a result of that philosophy. Follow your thinking to the end of its road and see where it leads.
I don't care if you don't answer the above questions, but please consider this one: if Romney were a Baptist, would you be voting for him?
If an atheist supports the platform that the purpose of government is NOT to take care of your every perceived need free of charge, and a person claiming to be a Christian supports the platform that government is indeed to steal from productive citizens and provide every perceived need including free cable and cell phones, the atheist has the position that is better for the country's survival.
The Christian who cannot vote for Romney because he is a Mormon should certainly not vote for Obama since he supports black liberation theology and pure 100% liberal theology.
Are you a voter, Mr Jim? If not, why should we listen to you? You are only attempting to pass on your philosophy to others and get them not to vote.
Just be content with the America you get as a result of that philosophy. Follow your thinking to the end of its road and see where it leads.
I don't care if you don't answer the above questions, but please consider this one: if Romney were a Baptist, would you be voting for him?
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There are other options if one wants to vote.
Just passing on the news of evangelical compromise to justify the Mormon. If the vaunted Graham association says Mormons are cool now then I expect JWs will be OK soon too.
I continue to stock up on beans, bullets, and bandaids~hard times are coming regardless of which globalist puppet is in the WH.
If he was flip-flopping RINO like Romney then no.
STILL would like to hear what you think about the actual topic~if the Grahams had done this outside of an election year there would (maybe?) be an uproar amongst baptists?
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On this we agree, brother. I have a question on this, that I'll send you PM some time.
I don't agree with the site removing that. However that has little to do with which one of the only possible's would be better for the country. I agree with Graham's support of Romney, I disagree with his website removing references to the cult-nature of Mormonism, and i don't vote theology when voting for a president, else I would vote for Jimmy Carter were he to run now. An agnostic but true conservative would probably be a better pick than Carter. We are citizens of two kingdoms, the earthly and the spiritual. It is best that we don't confuse them.
Blessings,
H.
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I don't know that i confuse them more than not wanting to compromise with one at the expense of the other. I don't generally "box" off things into "earthly" and "spiritual" but see it as a more seamless whole. My allegiance is only to one Kingdom; I've no real allegiance to any earthly kingdom anymore [I don't "love" America but don't "hate" it either, it's simply where I'm at and where I "hang my hat" as an Ambassador of God's Kingdom. There are worse places to be but where ever God would have me I would hold to the same. I work within the system as necessary but recognize it as fallen and wicked~I maintain a very high "situational awareness" knowing the inherent evil and corruptness within the system.] And I understand too that mine is a minority position in the Church in America
so folks are going to have different convictions on these things.It's heartbreaking to hear the Graham Association compromising themselves in this situation; it point towards feeling some kind of need in establishing an "earthly" power & influence~~and in retrospect Graham has a long history of being the "President's Pastor"~at least the conservative ones. I would agree with others' assessments that this is more Franklin's doing; the old man may not even be fully cognizant of what is going on?
...and Carter..really
~~now maybe Pat Buchanan...
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Correct. My wife and I are voting for a 3rd option. Not only is Romney a devoted cult member but he's also a moral liberal when it comes to his politics. Just looks at his past statements and the state he governed. It is sad Christians are so easily fooled into just voting republican, thinking there is no other option than Romney or Obama. I know God will honor my vote which I can make with a clear conscious.
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It's refreshing to see Franklin Graham has continued to steadfastly stand up for the truth!. Except when it is inconvenient to do so.
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is this why he should have never said anything about encouraging people to vote? i have little doubt it was striked from the cult list because of his support for him.
also, as far as im aware, he never directly endorsed romney.
i know the website quotes him as saying he will do anything to support him or whatever, but that's not the same as publicly saying, "hey people, vote for this guy."
also, as far as im aware, he never directly endorsed romney.
i know the website quotes him as saying he will do anything to support him or whatever, but that's not the same as publicly saying, "hey people, vote for this guy."
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The website is "public", LOL. This was Franklin's work as he is now running the show.
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I realize that the Mormon church has many doctrines that run counter to traditional Christianity. But any Mormon I've known has said they are saved by the shed Blood of the Lord Jesus Christ. So the fact that their church teaches false doctrine does not mean they are lost. We are not saved by what our church teaches but by His sacrifice when we choose to follow God. Any Mormon who believes what those I have known believe are saved.
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the problem lies within who they believe Jesus to be, he is the son of God by a physical union between the Father and Mary, He and the Father are from another planet where the Father achieved Godhood by his good deeds. If you are a good mormon, than you to can achieve godhood and get your own planet to populate one day. They believe Jesus to be the brother of Lucifer. If you are not a mormon, then you are apostate. A mormon can visit your church anytime he so desires, but you cannot visit a mormon church without a special guest card, and any other time you cannot visit it at all.
From your name I am assuming you are a preacher?
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Sort of if someone says "I believe Jesus died for my sins" the rest of the details don't matter?
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Retired interim pastor. We (they) are not saved by what they believe ABOUT Jesus. They are saved if they acknowledge that Jesus died for their sins and choose to follow God. Many things their church teaches are ridiculous but it has no affect on their salvation.
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I am sorry but that is very dangerous theology sir. If all we needed was simply to believe in Jesus there would have been only one book in the new testament, one of the gospels. Proper doctrine is an absolute necessity for Christians. It is why Paul and the others worked so hard on writing the rest of the new testament. I must be blunt, what your saying is NOT the gospel.
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All we need for salvation is to acknowledge what Jesus has done for us. Doctrine has to do with growth not salvation. I certainly hope if talk to someone about their salvation you're not telling them they must believe this, that and the other thing ABOUT Jesus to be saved. The this, that and the other thing will help them grow spiritually but wont save them if they have not acknowledged what Jesus has don for us. John 3:16.
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