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How much time do you who publicly criticize others spend praying for those you consider "false teachers"? You might find God telling you it's you who are believing false doctrines, not them.

I like that - I think you captured the heart of God there.
 
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Hmm.. So after 2 weeks and 25 posts, you've determined what "trends" there are here? Who are you again?


This is OnlyByGrace84. He joined about a year and a half ago. He's mentioned this recently.


In any event, in the thread mentioned, someone posted an anonymously sourced photograph from the blog of an alternative newspaper and claimed that it was representative of the state of all of western Christianity. That's hardly the same thing as warning people about false teaching. It is, however, a prime example of the confirmation bias prevalent in many people.


Some might say so would be the quick dismissal without evidence by many others. I called it eye-opening and the uncovering of local idolaters.

Besides, the photo wasn't anonymous. You just didn't put any effort into looking into it as I did. Just because I didn't willingly share all info, doesn't mean it wasn't available with the tiniest bit of effort for anyone who cared to find out (like me).




Agreed - provided we should do it like Jesus did.

Did He ever bring the subject up again? Did He spend day after day going into specifics - which Pharisee did He name? Did Jesus tell this to the multitudes? Did Jesus travel about saying BEWARE! BEWARE!?

If you are going to support a position based on Scripture, please be prepared to follow the example as Jesus did.


Just looking in Matthew quickly, I find Jesus warning about the Pharisees to the Pharisees themselves, the crowd and the disciples on each of these chapters, 9, 12, 16, and 23, with specifics of what they taught.

I'm sure there are more, but that was just a quick search. So, yea, I'd say He brought it up again and again to various audiences.
 
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How much time do you who publicly criticize others spend praying for those you consider "false teachers"? You might find God telling you it's you who are believing false doctrines, not them.

Quite a bit and quite often. They are always on my mind and I have a real burden for them and those they are currently dragging into hell with themselves.

I also constantly pray that my doctrine be correct and that I would be shown in what areas I'm missing the mark.

This has been part of my prayer life for a number of years now.
 
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Quite a bit and quite often. They are always on my mind and I have a real burden for them and those they are currently dragging into hell with themselves.

I also constantly pray that my doctrine be correct and that I would be shown in what areas I'm missing the mark.

This has been part of my prayer life for a number of years now.
Amen. I do also.

When I pray for a Christian leader with compassion for their blindness, in time, they publicly renounce their error. I see the same results with anyone I pray for with the right attitude.

In my experience, anger, judgement, and fear for them hinders the results. I make sure I am in faith when I pray. When I think of them, I envision God speaking to them personally and changing their thinking to match Scripture.

I also find God constrains me from talking about them before or after they change. I can't pray with a heart of compassion in my prayer closet and then badmouth them publicly. God stops me from doing that, by changing my heart toward them.
 
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This is OnlyByGrace84. He joined about a year and a half ago. He's mentioned this recently.

I didn't see that, so thank you.

Some might say so would be the quick dismissal without evidence by many others. I called it eye-opening and the uncovering of local idolaters.

Whatever you want to tell yourself. ;)

Besides, the photo wasn't anonymous. You just didn't put any effort into looking into it as I did.

That's simply a lie. You have absolutely no idea how much effort I put into "looking into it". I searched the web and freely posted links to everything I found as I always do. I think people should be able to examine things for themselves, and so I hold nothing back. Everything I did find pointed back to the OC Weekly blog "navel gazing" by Gustavo Arellano, which attributed the photo to "a source of mine." Maybe in your book that's not anonymous, but "a source of mine" doesn't tell me squat about the source.

Just because I didn't willingly share all info, doesn't mean it wasn't available with the tiniest bit of effort for anyone who cared to find out (like me).

Well unlike you, I don't have an agenda here, so I have no problem freely sharing all of the info I find.

On that note, here is what I did find in addition to the OC Weekly navelgazing blog, which ALL of these reference in some way as their source;

Paul Crouch Flips Off TBN Cameras in Jerusalem!
The Museum of Idolatry: Paul Crouch Flips Off TBN Cameras in Jerusalem?
Reformed Anglicanism: Paul Crouch Flips Off TBN Cameras in Jerusalem?
Paul Crouch flips the bird : News, Politics & Current Affairs • Rational Skepticism Forum
Kosher Satellite Radio Breaking News: Paul Crouch Flips Off TBN Cameras in Jerusalem!
TBN’S PAUL CROUCH FLIPPING OFF HIS CRITICS? : Apprising Ministries

Not one of those says where the photo came from (although the Apprising Ministries site attempts to say it came from Daystar Television, in not so many words, despite the fact they have nothing to base this allegation upon), and all of them reference Mr. Arellano's blog as their source, which also doesn't share the source of the photo beyond saying "a source of mine".

I've already wasted more than enough time "looking into" this, but I won't hold my breath waiting for you to actually post the source of the photo.

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When discussing any Biblical topic, I like to take all the Scriptures that are about that topic and try to consider them overall. I know different Scriptures are posted when we have threads about other believers but sometimes I wonder if this verse is considered Matt 7:2 "For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."
 
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I didn't see that, so thank you.



Whatever you want to tell yourself. ;)



That's simply a lie. You have absolutely no idea how much effort I put into "looking into it". I searched the web and freely posted links to everything I found as I always do. I think people should be able to examine things for themselves, and so I hold nothing back. Everything I did find pointed back to the OC Weekly blog "navel gazing" by Gustavo Arellano, which attributed the photo to "a source of mine." Maybe in your book that's not anonymous, but "a source of mine" doesn't tell me squat about the source.



Well unlike you, I don't have an agenda here, so I have no problem freely sharing all of the info I find.

On that note, here is what I did find in addition to the OC Weekly navelgazing blog, which ALL of these reference in some way as their source;

Paul Crouch Flips Off TBN Cameras in Jerusalem!
The Museum of Idolatry: Paul Crouch Flips Off TBN Cameras in Jerusalem?
Reformed Anglicanism: Paul Crouch Flips Off TBN Cameras in Jerusalem?
Paul Crouch flips the bird : News, Politics & Current Affairs • Rational Skepticism Forum
Kosher Satellite Radio Breaking News: Paul Crouch Flips Off TBN Cameras in Jerusalem!
TBN’S PAUL CROUCH FLIPPING OFF HIS CRITICS? : Apprising Ministries

Not one of those says where the photo came from (although the Apprising Ministries site attempts to say it came from Daystar Television, in not so many words, despite the fact they have nothing to base this allegation upon), and all of them reference Mr. Arellano's blog as their source, which also doesn't share the source of the photo beyond saying "a source of mine".

I've already wasted more than enough time "looking into" this, but I won't hold my breath waiting for you to actually post the source of the photo.

:cool:

No lies, but I'm glad to see you did do a bit of work after the fact. You can think anything you wish about my "agenda", but I've been quite open about my disdain and the unwillingness to fight for the abomination that is TBN. It's not like I've ever hidden that fact or anything like that and I'll continue to post these things as they come up.

Still, it was a very eye-opening thread to see all the knee-jerk reaction. Thank you for your participation in that as well.

I wonder why I get a knee-jerk reaction and outrage from a Crouch middle finger, but when I posted links to an active lawsuit from a crouch granddaughter claiming when she was around 13, while the was on a TBN fundraising trip, she was raped by a TBN staffer and her grandparents actively covered it up, I got nothing. Priorities of the masses I suppose.
 
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Everything that comes out of our mouths has power.... meaning we prophesy over our own lifes. When we Gossip (speaking badly of people) we prophesy over there lifes without them being in control of it.

God has blessed me with the gift of dreams... The Holy Spirit shows me through my dreams if someone gossips about me and who it was.... and it is not for me to tell them that I know but to wipe my name in the spirit with the blood of Christ, that nothing that they have said will prosper. Isaiah 54:17 No weapon that is fashioned against you shall succeed, and you shall refute every tongue that rises against you in judgment. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord and their vindication from me, declares the Lord.”
 
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Ok so something of a trend around here is when someone mentions another person by name and if that said person has nothing nice said about them, then it is immediately referred to as gossip. This thread may offend or upset someone, but the purpose is to generate godly discussion about a topic that is all too prevelant in congregations today.

What is gossip?

In a recent thread about a well known Christian TV "Evangelist" and Station owner/host, accusations of gossip flew left and right, but is warning others about the misdeeds of another or even false teaching really gossip? Observe:

Matthew 16:5-12
When they went across the lake, the disciples forgot to take bread. “Be careful,” Jesus said to them. “Be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees.”
They discussed this among themselves and said, “It is because we didn’t bring any bread.”
Aware of their discussion, Jesus asked, “You of little faith, why are you talking among yourselves about having no bread? Do you still not understand? Don’t you remember the five loaves for the five thousand, and how many basketfuls you gathered? Or the seven loaves for the four thousand, and how many basketfuls you gathered? How is it you don’t understand that I was not talking to you about bread? But be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees.” Then they understood that he was not telling them to guard against the yeast used in bread, but against the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees.

If telling/warning other people about a certain person and their teaching or behavior is gossip then Jesus Himself gossiped. Proof as above. Actually this story is told in all three Synoptic Gospels and so I would point out it must be of some importance then to warn others about certain people if their lives, teachings, ministries do not line up with the Word of God. Jesus did it, so should we.

Even if its OK to warn someone about another person this doesnt mean we can judge that person and put ourself above them, we all need loved and shown mercy. NO one is is Good but GOd alone, lets love each other, lets love our enemies too, love is humble and kind, merciful and gentle, not seeking its own, love is found in serving others, not just those who are deserving. None of us deserve the Love God shows us, and so we must love even those we think may not deserve it, none of us deserve love, but we all need it. LOve edifies. Love your neighbor as yourself.
 
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No lies, but I'm glad to see you did do a bit of work after the fact.

Actually, that's the second lie, since I did all that searching before I made my first post in the other thread. All of the links say the same thing and reference the same article, so it seemed silly to me to post them all.

Still waiting (but not expecting) for you to disclose the alleged source for the photograph...

You can think anything you wish about my "agenda", but I've been quite open about my disdain and the unwillingness to fight for the abomination that is TBN. It's not like I've ever hidden that fact or anything like that and I'll continue to post these things as they come up.

I'm sure you will.

Still, it was a very eye-opening thread to see all the knee-jerk reaction. Thank you for your participation in that as well.

It wasn't a knee-jerk reaction. In fact, I said multiple times in the other thread that I don't know if the photo was legit or not, and I still don't know. But it really doesn't matter to me one way or the other. The world (and the state of western Christianity) doesn't hinge on what Paul Crouch does or doesn't do.

I wonder why I get a knee-jerk reaction and outrage from a Crouch middle finger, but when I posted links to an active lawsuit from a crouch granddaughter claiming when she was around 13, while the was on a TBN fundraising trip, she was raped by a TBN staffer and her grandparents actively covered it up, I got nothing. Priorities of the masses I suppose.

You're one funny dude, Faulty.

I looked into that when you posted it, and that's one messed up case. Brittany Koper and Carra Crouch are trying their cases in the media and you're swallowing up every bit of it. I don't know what actually happened, as there are allegations of impropriety on all sides of both of those cases, so I'll allow a court to decide that after all the evidence has been seen and heard.

However, it should be noted that Ms. Koper is seeking in excess of $556,000 in damages in her case. It sounds to me like Ms. Koper may have other motives for her actions beyond the pure and noble motives of exposing corruption. She says she's worried about the misuse of tax-exempt funds at TBN for "excess", but apparently she has no problem taking some of those funds for herself. Time will tell if her case is just or if it's just a money grab.

But thank you for providing us with 2 excellent examples of what gossip is. None of us really knows what happened with the photo, nor do we have any idea what actually happened in the case you mentioned. Yet you continue to spread it around like it's the gospel truth. Both are textbook examples of "gossip".

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No lies, but I'm glad to see you did do a bit of work after the fact. You can think anything you wish about my "agenda", but I've been quite open about my disdain and the unwillingness to fight for the abomination that is TBN. It's not like I've ever hidden that fact or anything like that and I'll continue to post these things as they come up.

Why is TBN an abomination? Its no worse than this website is it? Everything on TBN is also taught here isn't it?
 
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If telling/warning other people about a certain person and their
teaching or behavior is gossip then Jesus Himself gossiped.
It is good to seek understanding on things such as these because we want to walk in holiness and in the fear of the Lord in all things.

Jesus spoke against the Pharisees, Herod (calling him a "fox"), hypocrites, and many others. He walked in the judgment of the Spirit of God and moved in the gift of discernment of spirits. This gift allows you to see into the intents and purposes of the heart, as well as seeing in the spirit realm for demonic interference, angelic intervention or even the Lord.

Jesus received His judgment from the Father. He didn't speak of Himself.

“And shall make Him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and He shall not judge after the sight of His eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of His ears: But with righteousness shall He judge…”
Isaiah 11

We are supposed to receive judgment from God. That is part of our inheritance.
We should expect to hear from the Lord on these matters. We weigh or test the things we hear and the spirits by which people speak. The Lord wants us to lay down our own opinions and take up His. We don't always agree with what people do or say in the Body of Christ and it can be easy for the flesh walking man to take up a judgment (we all do it) and render an opinion or verdict against someone. Sometimes this is done against what God is doing. We oppose ourselves and speak ignorantly (we all do it). We become as the KJV calls "brutes". This is why we must be very careful about the things that we say or declare.

But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities. Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord. But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption; And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time.
2 Peter 2:10-13 with

Dignities can be those in the five fold ministry also.
Our own understanding of the scripture, how to move with the Holy Spirit, etc., is VERY limited and how many times has the Lord totally upended your theology with a revelation. It is very humbling and like Job, we hold our tongue in horror at our ignorance, compared to God's knowledge.

I believe this scripture also demonstrates that the self willed speak of things they understand not, and the resulting fruit is corruption.

Understanding is often formed and we can search for it in holy discussion as draw out understanding as a man draws out water from a well. This should be done in a spirit of love, and in a search for truth. Many a spirit masquerades as a "spirit of truth" and we judge all things by the fruits. The fruits of righteousness are sown in peace and we should be peacemakers in all things.

“Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Abstain from all appearance of evil.”
1 Thess 5:21-22

"But she is happier if she so abide, after my judgment: and I think also that I have the Spirit of God."
1 Cor 7:40

Here Paul is speaking of his own judgment and says so, based on his belief that a woman is better off single, attending to the things of the Lord without distraction. He states that he thinks this agrees with the mind of Christ. He intermingles sometimes statements like "I, not the Lord", or when he speaks from the Lord.

“For the ear trieth words, as the mouth tasteth meat. Let us choose to us judgment let us know among ourselves what is good.”
Job 34:3-4

“Behold, a king shall reign in righteousness, and princes shall rule in judgment.”
Isaiah 32:1

This is our inheritance, but God wants us to die to our own fleshly opinions and allow Him to give us our judgment. If we find ourselves going back to speaking against things, we need to get free and delivered so that we can hear good judgment and not continually defile the hearers. Our motives betray the spirit that we speak from and we must not partake of the evil deeds of others and must discern when the enemy comes in to serve up a "good does of brute judgment" against the Body of Christ.
 
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We've no doubt all been guilty, but we cannot continue in these things, or else the Lord will judge us.

A good name is rather to be chosen than great riches,
and loving favour rather than silver and gold.
Prov 22:1

A good name is better than precious ointment; and the day of death than the day of one's birth.
Eccl 7:1

Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment:
thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour. 16 Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the Lord.
Lev 19:15-16

A talebearer revealeth secrets: but he that is of a faithful spirit concealeth the matter.
Prov 11:13

The words of a talebearer are as wounds, and they go down into the innermost parts of the belly.
Prov 18:8

He that goeth about as a talebearer revealeth secrets: therefore meddle not with him that flattereth with his lips.
Prov 20:19

Where no wood is, there the fire goeth out: so where there is no talebearer, the strife ceaseth. As coals are to burning coals, and wood to fire; so is a contentious man to kindle strife. The words of a talebearer are as wounds, and they go down into the innermost parts of the belly.
Prov 26:20-22

A froward heart shall depart from me: I will not know a wicked person. Whoso privily slandereth his neighbour, him will I cut off: him that hath an high look and a proud heart will not I suffer. Mine eyes shall be upon the faithful of the land, that they may dwell with me: he that walketh in a perfect way, he shall serve me.
Psalms 101:4-6

Burning lips and a wicked heart are like a potsherd covered with silver dross. He that hateth dissembleth with his lips, and layeth up deceit within him; When he speaketh fair, believe him not: for there are seven abominations in his heart. Whose hatred is covered by deceit, his wickedness shall be shewed before the whole congregation.
Prov 26:23-26

And they bend their tongues like their bow for lies: but they are not valiant for the truth upon the earth; for they proceed from evil to evil, and they know not me, saith the Lord. Take ye heed every one of his neighbour, and trust ye not in any brother: for every brother will utterly supplant, and every neighbour will walk with slanders. And they will deceive every one his neighbour, and will not speak the truth: they have taught their tongue to speak lies, and weary themselves to commit iniquity. Thine habitation is in the midst of deceit; through deceit they refuse to know me, saith the Lord.
Jer 9:3-6

Their tongue is as an arrow shot out; it speaketh deceit: one speaketh peaceably to his neighbour with his mouth, but in heart he layeth his wait. Shall I not visit them for these things? saith the Lord: shall not my soul be avenged on such a nation as this?
Jer 9:8-9

Yea, they opened their mouth wide against me, and said, Aha, aha, our eye hath seen it.
Psalms 35:21

Let them be desolate for a reward of their shame that say unto me, Aha, aha.
Psalms 40:15
 
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“And shall make Him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and He shall not judge after the sight of His eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of His ears: But with righteousness shall He judge…”
Isaiah 11

“I can of Mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and My judgment is just; because I seek not Mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent Me.”
John 5:30

“Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man. And yet if I judge, My judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent Me.”
John 8:15-16

“But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.”
1 Cor 2:15

“He that is spiritual is the one who (of himself) is dead. “He” now judges with the new man and consequently is judged of no man because the old man isn’t in the picture to be judged.

Of course you have to say what you say by faith because we don’t go around hearing voices all of the time.
You have to be willing to stand behind what you say because we’ll be judged for every idle word. Every unrighteous judgment (of ourselves) has an equal judgment attached to it. It cannot be shrugged off. We must have godly fear.

“And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment; That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ; Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.”
Phil 1:9-11

It's supposed to be our love that abounds more in knowledge and judgment. Not the axe we carry that destroys and divides.

“But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self. For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but He that judgeth me is the Lord. Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.”
1 Cor 4:2-5

So if we don't seem to be receiving this from God, we should leave it alone until we do. We hold fast to that which is good. We are supposed to "choose that which is good". It's all about the good. If something seems questionable and we don't have clear judgment, leave it alone! If you sense danger from it, be simple concerning evil and just walk away from it.

“All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes; but the LORD weigheth the spirits. Commit thy works unto the LORD, and thy thoughts shall be established.”
Prov 16:2-3

“Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Matt 7

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.”
Matt 7

People are quick to point out the hypocrite thing when the light is shown on them, but it says we can see clearly to cast out the mote.


“Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the Law, and judgeth the Law: but if thou judge the Law, thou art not a doer of the Law, but a judge. There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?”
James 4:11-12

“Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? To his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.”
Romans 14

“But why dost thou judge thy brother? Or why dost thou set at nought thy brother?
Romans 14

Set at nought? Someone you don't receive in love. You bring disrepute upon them (and the whole body suffers for it).

“So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.”
Romans 14:12-13

“For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.”
1 Cor 11:31-32

It is important to note that these judgments if not repented of, carry over into the next world (which btw we're already walking in). But for the sake of your family, why would anyone remain a captive to this kind of thinking? Judge your own fruits and judge yourself.

“Their feet run to evil, and they make haste to shed innocent blood: their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity; wasting and destruction are in their paths. The way of peace they know not; and there is no judgment in their goings: they have made them crooked paths: whosoever goeth therein shall not know peace.”
Isaiah 59:7-8

“And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:”
1 Peter 1:17

I hope to see everyone in Heaven and it is a great tragedy to see what happens to our own brothers who call upon the name of the Lord as they utter judgments they didn't hear. The judgments seem right mentally, compared to scripture, but we do not walk carnally, but spiritually (that's the idea anyway).

Finally, we MUST receive the admonition of the Word of God or we’ll be judged by that same Word.


“He that rejecteth Me, and receiveth not My Words, hath one that judgeth him: the Word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.”
John 12
 
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Here's a prophetic word from the Lord I ran across years ago (given to a woman)...

It will remind you of the power you have when you use your mouth.

“When some people speak with agreement in judgment of you, they place themselves in the devil’s hands, their words he doth use to endue, a curse upon My servant and also My lambs, to destroy their assurance in where they stand, with Me,
the Holy One of Israel, the second person in the Trinity; He who was dead and now is alive forevermore, through eternity!

Torment, affliction, and pain are their daily fare, only because these sheep are not aware, of what the enemy has construed from the words of the mouths of others who have a tainted view, of what My Word says about touching My servants, and you.
These are not in right standing with Me, but in another coven; Where many are today because of slighting ministries of women. Cut off your ties with these as they taint your fallow (rest); Bringing physical and spiritual oppression upon you that is not hallowed. These people are sent by the prince of darkness, the god of this world. They are the fiery darts I speak of, which the devil uses to hurl, to keep you weak and nil of strength, so you cannot fulfill My commandments at any length. Be not entangled with this yoke of bondage again. Speak out release! My Word in power will remove the devil’s attention; for I redeemed you from every curse, paying the price in full with My blood, which bought all who believe this into a “new birth”. These who have placed themselves in the devil’s hands, need your prayers of intervention to change their minds, and the devil’s plans. Therefore, bless them that curse you. Forgive their lies, so we can deal with them, bringing them into reconciliation again.”

If we loose the enemy with our fleshly or demonic judgments, then it is no wonder God will judge us for doing so. It we're hurting someone in the body and consequently Jesus, we come against the anointing and our future becomes bleak.
 
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