Faith is practiced every time someone loves another person.
Ummm, not sure about this. Isn't it possible to love somebody without trusting them?? And even unbelievers love somebody!
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Faith is practiced every time someone loves another person.
There are also other interpretations of this passage of scripture which say that Jesus was referring to the religious system of the day being overthrown when He talked about moving mountains by His disciples having faith in Him not in legalism for salvation. Do you disagree with this being a possible interpretation also? I can give you links to this interpretation if you like.
I didnt expect or deserve any of those things from God.
They were and are His continual mercy to me
Scripture says Jesus taught, and healing resulted. This is the best example of using God's Word as Seed to produce healing results. Healing occurred after He taught, because you can't have a harvest without first planting seed.Has anyone every seen people in the scriptures sowing the healing scripture seeds to be healed, and even those who was sowing scripture seeds but the cares of this world made them lose their healing?
I understand that some will not accept what is being taught as truth, even though the Lord Himself is teaching us the foundation for it.
When The Lord Himself says that an illustration(parable) that He, The Lord, is about to give is a secret of the kingdom of God we should listen up!
When The Lord Himself tells us that if we do not understand the illustration(parable) that He is about to reveal.
When Jesus Himself says that if we do not understand the parable(illustration) then we will not understand all parables(illustrations).
Mark 4:13
And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables? KJV
Am I adding to?
Am I making up stuff?
Jesus, The Lord, said it!
I did not!
I did repeat what He said!
Jesus told us that the parable (illustration) of the sower held the understanding for all parables (illustrations).
Did Jesus lie to us?
Jesus does not lie!
Therefore when He said that the parable (illustration) of the sower held the understanding for all parables (illustrations).
He spoke to us the truth and a secret (mystery) of the Kingdom of God and He told us that the secret(s) belonged to us!
Why would Jesus tell us the granddaddy of all parables, yet limit it to strict understanding or two words?
What two words?
The two words that those who cannot/will not understand the parable, want to hold the meaning of the illustration to.
It is almost like that if we can limit the meaning by the two words then we are not responsible and therefore not accountable for hearing what was said by The Lord Himself and therefore do not have to accept nor do it.
WRONG!
Jesus covered that attitude when He talked about those who hear, but do not hear. That seed is immediately taken by the devil because they do not, do not want to hear and understand.
What are the two words?
The two words are be saved.
Luke 8:11
Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. KJV
Did Jesus say that?
Yes He certainly did.
He told us before though that the parable (illustration) held the understanding of all parables (illustrations).
Mark 4:10
He says to them, Do you not understand this illustration? Then how is it possible that you will understand all the illustrations? The sower sows the Word.
(from The New Testament: An Expanded Translation by Kenneth S. Wuest Copyright © 1961 by Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Co. All rights reserved.)
Mark 4:13-14
13 "But if you can't understand this story, how will you understand all the others I am going to tell?
14 The farmer I talked about is the one who brings God's message to others. NLT
Did Jesus here limit the parable/ illustration/ story by specifying any thing about be saved
No, He did not.
He did the opposite!
He said the seed is the word of God .
That is a statement that is inclusive of the word of God as a whole.
The NLT says the farmer talked about brings Gods message to others.
Brings Gods message to others!
Not brings Gods message of be saved only.
Gods message includes be saved, thank God it does.
The message of God is also about His kingdom on earth, which is in us, and how He has created it to work.
After Jesus first told us about the parable/illustration/story revealed a secret of the kingdom of God and that the secrets of the kingdom belonged to us, and that the understanding of all parables/illustrations/stories is held within the parable/illustration/story of the sower.
Then He included a specific part of Gods message (word) to illustrate how the seed of God worked.
He never intended to limit the parable/illustration/story to be saved
How could a parable/illustration/story that hold the understanding of all parables/illustrations/stories be limited to only one part of Gods word (message).
Gods word tells us how to be saved, and is seed which the sower sows.
Gods word also tells us:
2 Tim 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: KJV
That is also a part of Gods Word/message and is seed which the sower sows.
It also tells us how to live by faith, which is the only way to please God and is seed, which the sower sows.
Heb 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. KJV
This answers a question again.
We will answer the rest of Faultys questions as we go.
Scripture says Jesus taught, and healing resulted. This is the best example of using God's Word as Seed to produce healing results. Healing occurred after He taught, because you can't have a harvest without first planting seed.
Who is the WoF teacher that is pushing this ridiculous doctrine?We have planted our healing seed of the word of God in our hearts by hearing the word concerning healing.
Who is the WoF teacher that is pushing this ridiculous doctrine?
LOL, that is assuming that Yeshua would have anything to do with the WoF interpretations of His words.The same One that said that the Word of God is seed and that the sower sows the word.
What's that teachers name that is pushing this ridiculous doctrine?
His Name?
Jesus.
In the examples you give, they came to Jesus because they heard enough to receive from Him. Jesus told the Pharisees at His inquisition that He taught openly everyday in public. His miracles and teaching were well known. Some heard Jesus' teaching directly, and others heard 2nd hand reports.You must be joking. So, just off the top of my head, the paralytic who was let down through the roof because they couldn't get to where Jesus was, and the dead boy in the casket who was raised, and all the deaf people healed who couldn't hear His teachings to begin with, the servant who Jesus healed with a word from a long distance away, Lazarus in his tomb, etc, these Jesus planted "healing seed" with first before they were ever healed?
Since you "can't have a harvest without first planting seed", where are the healing seeds in these situations in accordance with the parable of the sower?
On the other hand, here is an example of planting seed according to that parable correctly, not like what you guys are tyring to pass off.How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching? And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!
Romans 10:14-15
In the examples you give, they came to Jesus because they heard enough to receive from Him. Jesus told the Pharisees at His inquisition that He taught openly everyday in public. His miracles and teaching were well known. Some heard Jesus' teaching directly, and others heard 2nd hand reports.
With the widow's son He spoke to the dead man and told him to arise. His words always precede healing.
Jesus spoke to Lazarus and told him to come forth. Lazarus, Mary, and Martha heard Jesus' teaching in their own home.
Jesus told the paralytic his sins were forgiven, pick up your bed and go home.
Scripture gives examples of the sick and dying being brought to Jesus by believing friends and relatives. Look closer and you will see that someone in the chain of events heard the word and believed for themselves or others.
You can plant God's word in your heart and believe for yourself or others.
But without the word there can be no faith. You need to hear what God says about healing to believe and be healed.
The Shunammite woman
So!
We have planted our healing seed of the word of God in our hearts by hearing the word concerning healing.
We have our scriptures.
We have heard the scriptures, therefore faith is active.
We did not allow tribulations, persecutions for the words sake, the cares of this world, other things entering in, nor the deceitfulness of riches to defeat us.
We are good ground and the word of healing we heard entered into out heart(spirit) and was firmly planted there.
We continue to meditate on, think about, and speak our healing scriptures (seed).
Now we must live where the rubber meets the road and continue to defeat the thoughts that come against us, saying that we wont be healed, it wont work for us, this is silly, etc.
Lets consider how a woman in the OT handled an urgent and serious situation.
Study carefully what this woman did.
What she was mindful to say to those around her.
What she was mindful not to say to those around her,
Study her actions in the different events that happen.
Ask yourself, how would I have responded to this situation if I were in it?
Her behavior gives us a clear and concise picture of how faith responds and receives what the word of God which is seed plants in us.
She shows us how to receive the harvest.
Ready?
All I am posting now is the story.
Please read thru and study it considering the above questions.
Next we will take a very close look the urgent and serious situation that the woman was facing and how she handled it, resulting in victory!
2 Kings 4:8-37
8 And it fell on a day, that Elisha passed to Shunem, where was a great woman; and she constrained him to eat bread. And so it was, that as oft as he passed by, he turned in thither to eat bread.
9 And she said unto her husband, Behold now, I perceive that this is an holy man of God, which passeth by us continually.
10 Let us make a little chamber, I pray thee, on the wall; and let us set for him there a bed, and a table, and a stool, and a candlestick: and it shall be, when he cometh to us, that he shall turn in thither.
11 And it fell on a day, that he came thither, and he turned into the chamber, and lay there.
12 And he said to Gehazi his servant, Call this Shunammite. And when he had called her, she stood before him.
13 And he said unto him, Say now unto her, Behold, thou hast been careful for us with all this care; what is to be done for thee? wouldest thou be spoken for to the king, or to the captain of the host? And she answered, I dwell among mine own people.
14 And he said, What then is to be done for her? And Gehazi answered, Verily she hath no child, and her husband is old.
15 And he said, Call her. And when he had called her, she stood in the door.
16 And he said, About this season, according to the time of life, thou shalt embrace a son. And she said, Nay, my lord, thou man of God, do not lie unto thine handmaid.
17 And the woman conceived, and bare a son at that season that Elisha had said unto her, according to the time of life.
18 And when the child was grown, it fell on a day, that he went out to his father to the reapers.
19 And he said unto his father, My head, my head. And he said to a lad, Carry him to his mother.
20 And when he had taken him, and brought him to his mother, he sat on her knees till noon, and then died.
21 And she went up, and laid him on the bed of the man of God, and shut the door upon him, and went out.
22 And she called unto her husband, and said, Send me, I pray thee, one of the young men, and one of the asses, that I may run to the man of God, and come again.
23 And he said, Wherefore wilt thou go to him to day? it is neither new moon, nor sabbath. And she said, It shall be well.
24 Then she saddled an ass, and said to her servant, Drive, and go forward; slack not thy riding for me, except I bid thee.
25 So she went and came unto the man of God to mount Carmel. And it came to pass, when the man of God saw her afar off, that he said to Gehazi his servant, Behold, yonder is that Shunammite:
26 Run now, I pray thee, to meet her, and say unto her, Is it well with thee? is it well with thy husband? is it well with the child? And she answered, It is well.
27 And when she came to the man of God to the hill, she caught him by the feet: but Gehazi came near to thrust her away. And the man of God said, Let her alone; for her soul is vexed within her: and the Lord hath hid it from me, and hath not told me.
28 Then she said, Did I desire a son of my lord? did I not say, Do not deceive me?
29 Then he said to Gehazi, Gird up thy loins, and take my staff in thine hand, and go thy way: if thou meet any man, salute him not; and if any salute thee, answer him not again: and lay my staff upon the face of the child.
30 And the mother of the child said, As the Lord liveth, and as thy soul liveth, I will not leave thee. And he arose, and followed her.
31 And Gehazi passed on before them, and laid the staff upon the face of the child; but there was neither voice, nor hearing. Wherefore he went again to meet him, and told him, saying, The child is not awaked.
32 And when Elisha was come into the house, behold, the child was dead, and laid upon his bed.
33 He went in therefore, and shut the door upon them twain, and prayed unto the Lord.
34 And he went up, and lay upon the child, and put his mouth upon his mouth, and his eyes upon his eyes, and his hands upon his hands: and he stretched himself upon the child; and the flesh of the child waxed warm.
35 Then he returned, and walked in the house to and fro; and went up, and stretched himself upon him: and the child sneezed seven times, and the child opened his eyes.
36 And he called Gehazi, and said, Call this Shunammite. So he called her. And when she was come in unto him, he said, Take up thy son.
37 Then she went in, and fell at his feet, and bowed herself to the ground, and took up her son, and went out.
KJV
Jesus said God's word is seed. Scriptures on healing produce healing. Scriptures on safety and protection produce protection. Scriptures on born-again produce born-again. If you accept and believe those scriptures.And these are examples of "healing seeds" according to what Optimax is claiming this parable is teaching? I think there is more than a bit of a disconnect here.
Deaf and dead people can't hear "healing seeds" to have them planted for them to be healed". Sorry, my problem with this is the attempt to take a part of the scriptures and to read into in anything one darn well wants because it seems the original words are flexible and have no meaning to the OP, a very postmodern and ignorant approach.
Explain to me how the dead and deaf people are hearing these "healing seeds" please. I've asked twice now and both times you've skirted the issue. Give me the verses, or admit they aren't there. Thanks.