the 47% is what is in Romney's heart

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Wouldn't one with spiritual discernment know ?
you lack spiritual discernment?
thekla said:
I am asking you about your discernment - could you explain how the above statement (if I've got the right one) is related to my question to you ?
that would be the third paragraph, you have the wrong one. the second paragraph is between that one and the first one. never mind, let me post it again:

"What the Bible actually says is that we're not to judge a person's heart or motives."
 
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you lack spiritual discernment?

I made a general statement; I do not claim to have the discernment to know Romney's heart, no.

that would be the third paragraph, you have the wrong one. the second paragraph is between that one and the first one. never mind, let me post it again:

"What the Bible actually says is that we're not to judge a person's heart or motives."
Thanks for the correction !

But to say that it is known that people "feel entitled" to something would indicate that we know something about them - in the west feelings are typically associated with the heart. And when applied to such a large percentage of the population, this is a claim applied to a huge number of people.
 
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It never ceases to amaze me how scripture is proven out time and time again in everyday situations. A couple thousand years ago, the following was written and appears to be proven over and over: For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy....

Don't forget that applies every man, including YOU!


Like I said, trying to help and remove some of your confusion. Scripture never returns void. The anger of the LORD will not turn back until he fully accomplishes the purposes of his heart. In days to come you will understand it clearly.

I'm afraid you failed, you have only confused me more with your preaching.
 
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Don't forget that applies every man, including YOU!
exactly, all men are born totally depraved, hence the need to be born again!

TQR said:
I'm afraid you failed, you have only confused me more with your preaching.
My prior post explains your inability to understand. I can't fix this. There is only One who can.
 
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Do you know Romney's heart ?
Thekla, I answered this a couple times for you already. recall 1st line 2nd paragragh, then you posted the 1st line form the 3rd paragraph and I reposted the text again?

Why are you posting with the same question over and over? My answer is not changing. For a yet another time:

What the Bible actually says is that we're not to judge a person's heart or motives.

I am beginning to wonder why it appears to me that you are unable to discern sprititual things like this.
 
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Thekla, I answered this a couple times for you already. recall 1st line 2nd paragragh, then you posted the 1st line form the 3rd paragraph and I reposted the text again?

Why are you posting with the same question over and over? My answer is not changing. For a yet another time:



I am beginning to wonder why it appears to me that you are unable to discern sprititual things like this.

Because you asked me if I knew Romney's heart; I answered no.

Then you asked me if I lacked spiritual discernment. Why did you ask me that ?

I do question how anyone but God can know the true heart and motivation of 47% of the population.

My dad, for some time, was part of the 47%. He was a minister, and served the Churches that God called him to. They didn't pay much; in grade school, we received our dairy products from a the stock of expired goods given to us by a friend who was a pig farmer. In high school I ate school lunches only because we qualified for the govt. program that allowed me to purchase meals at reduced cost.

My dad didn't feel "entitled". He served Christ, went where Christ led, which meant that he didn't make much money.
 
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Obama: brags about drone attacks, can't defend our Ambassador, is pro-abortion, wasted billions of taxpayer money on green energy, and has an economic record that has grown the number of Americans living in poverty and living on food stamps. Not only that, Obama has divided us in a way that can only be compared to the US Civil war.

Romney: has a personal record and professional record of helping out people, is much stronger in his personal faith, has a plan to grow the economy and put Americans back to work, and like Reagan he understands that the way to prevent war is to have a strong US military that no one will challenge under the leadership of a strong US President.
 
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Then you asked me if I lacked spiritual discernment. Why did you ask me that ?
because you asked:
Wouldn't one with spiritual discernment know ?

If you were able to discern spiritually then why were you asking me if I knew about Romney's heart in light of scripture that instructs us not to?
 
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Knowing that many here will not get this, nor do they want to actually discuss much of anything, here goes.

To say that 47% of people can't be reached is in fact a statment of a caring nature. It's a statement of fact, it is heart breaking to many people and I see Romney as one of those type people. In some peoples eyes it's not simply a political truth, it's shameful on us all. The facts are the facts, there exists a very small number of people that will decide who is president. And if the 47% ever gets to 51% there is no reason to continue the political process of elections.

But as I began, if you are part of the 47% you will not get it and if not there is no reason for me to write it down, you already do get it. That's another way to see the problem.
 
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Supply side economics within a well regulated system is the way to go. Obama's Keynesian policies simply are not working. Poverty grows worse under Obama. Time for change.
 
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Knowing that many here will not get this, nor do they want to actually discuss much of anything, here goes.

To say that 47% of people can't be reached is in fact a statment of a caring nature. It's a statement of fact, it is heart breaking to many people and I see Romney as one of those type people. In some peoples eyes it's not simply a political truth, it's shameful on us all. The facts are the facts, there exists a very small number of people that will decide who is president. And if the 47% ever gets to 51% there is no reason to continue the political process of elections.

But as I began, if you are part of the 47% you will not get it and if not there is no reason for me to write it down, you already do get it. That's another way to see the problem.
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Knowing that many here will not get this, nor do they want to actually discuss much of anything, here goes.

To say that 47% of people can't be reached is in fact a statment of a caring nature. It's a statement of fact, it is heart breaking to many people and I see Romney as one of those type people. In some peoples eyes it's not simply a political truth, it's shameful on us all. The facts are the facts, there exists a very small number of people that will decide who is president. And if the 47% ever gets to 51% there is no reason to continue the political process of elections.

But as I began, if you are part of the 47% you will not get it and if not there is no reason for me to write it down, you already do get it. That's another way to see the problem.

Try to not forget that those 47% don't pay income tax and all they want is free stuff. That was what Rmoney said. :wave:

By being an Obama supporter who pays income taxes and does not expect free stuff, I am proof that Rmoney is out of touch with the average American.
 
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Obama: brags about drone attacks, can't defend our Ambassador, is pro-abortion, wasted billions of taxpayer money on green energy, and has an economic record that has grown the number of Americans living in poverty and living on food stamps. Not only that, Obama has divided us in a way that can only be compared to the US Civil war.

Point by point:
*Romney blusters war, and hasn't promised to stop the drone attacks.
*Romney has been by turns pro abortion and pro life; he now says he will do nothing legislatively re: abortion. (More, but that's enough for now.) Which is it now, then, and later ?
*We are approaching peak oil; how will we revitalize and grow the economy without increasing demand and raising the cost of the revitalization ? Alternative energy will be needed at some point - the cost of achieving some amount of alternative energy rises with the cost of oil. How will we deal with these issues without laying the groundwork ? Additionally, the global market for alternative energy is increasing - we are behind, and should be trying to position ourselves as a leader in this market.
* As in the other thread, roughly half the debt and deficit are from a situation that was not controlled by whoever took office - and have been exacerbated by external factors.
* As the mom to 6 children and a citizen who has been following politics in this country, my read is not that this is "all Obama's fault". I've seen too much emotionalism, entrenched ideological bluster, and frank childish behavior from Congress to blame the whole thing on one person.

Romney: has a personal record and professional record of helping out people, is much stronger in his personal faith, has a plan to grow the economy and put Americans back to work, and like Reagan he understands that the way to prevent war is to have a strong US military that no one will challenge under the leadership of a strong US President.

Point by point:
* who doesn't ?
* has a personal faith that claims to be Christian but is not - as a Christian I find this deeply problematic.
* has not given details of his plan, and has a record of changing his position; takes credit for things done in Mass. that he didn't do, and does not take responsibility for things that he did do
* is stuck in an era that is gone, and does not understand that we do have the strongest military in the world, that the 21st century requires a different strategy, and is persistently threatening instead of showing the true strength and courage that is needed to utilize diplomacy instead of bluster
* seems to mistake bullying on an international scale for strength
 
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Supply side economics within a well regulated system is the way to go. Obama's Keynesian policies simply are not working. Poverty grows worse under Obama. Time for change.



Supply side worked for a bit under Reagan because:
1. we were in a designed downturn, which is easier to recover from
2. the deficit brought investment into the US
and
3. Reagan did have to raise taxes again


Bush blew the surplus - actual Keyensianism is when the surplus is used during the down-turn, and replenished during the good times.
 
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Knowing that many here will not get this, nor do they want to actually discuss much of anything, here goes.

To say that 47% of people can't be reached is in fact a statment of a caring nature. It's a statement of fact, it is heart breaking to many people and I see Romney as one of those type people. In some peoples eyes it's not simply a political truth, it's shameful on us all. The facts are the facts, there exists a very small number of people that will decide who is president. And if the 47% ever gets to 51% there is no reason to continue the political process of elections.

But as I began, if you are part of the 47% you will not get it and if not there is no reason for me to write it down, you already do get it. That's another way to see the problem.

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