Barack Obama: 'There is no God but Allah?'

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NEW YORK – As a student at Harvard Law School, then-bachelor Barack Obama’s practice of wearing a gold band on his wedding-ring finger puzzled his colleagues.

Now, newly published photographs of Obama from the 1980s show that the ring Obama wore on his wedding-ring finger as an unmarried student is the same ring Michelle Robinson put on his finger at the couple’s wedding ceremony in 1992.

Moreover, according to Arabic-language and Islamic experts, the ring Obama has been wearing for more than 30 years is adorned with the first part of the Islamic declaration of faith, the Shahada: “There is no God except Allah.”

“Now we have a new context for what Obama meant when he told the Islamic audience in Cairo that he has ‘known Islam on three continents,” Gilbert said.

“He also told the Cairo audience that he considered it part of his responsibility as president of the United States ‘to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear.’ All religious Muslims are by definition required to defend Islam.”

Obama also attended Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago for two decades and has repeatedly insisted he is a Christian.

Is there anything real about this man?

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WHAT DOES STORY OF OBAMA'S 'WEDDING RING' MEAN TO YOU?
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Obama’s ring: ‘There is no god but Allah’
 

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I don't know what irks me more:

the moronic xenophobia these absurd conspiracy theories feed off of, or the fact that the Christian Right apparently *needs* this kind of approach in order to manipulate voters.
Apparently, they could never get people to vote for them if they actually focused on their platform.
 
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I don't know what irks me more:

the moronic xenophobia these absurd conspiracy theories feed off of, or the fact that the Christian Right apparently *needs* this kind of approach in order to manipulate voters.
Apparently, they could never get people to vote for them if they actually focused on their platform.

If they were confident of their ability to win they wouldn't be trying to repress votes in every swing state they control. It must be maddening for the genuine conservatives to see their party reduced to such madness.
 
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LOL. And if it stood in front of you declaring, "YES I'M A DUCK AND PROUD OF IT," you would scream....oh no you're not!






So naturally, when Barack Obama publicly professes his faith in Jesus Christ, a smart guy like you can see that the president's a Christian, right?
 
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WND isn't know for its accurate stories. The second part is unconvincing - they lay some script that doesn't really match the supposed fuzzy photo of his ring.

What's funny is that it gives the lie to another WND crackpot conspiracy story - that Obama was never there and no one ever knew him.

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There's more than enough reason to dislike Obama as President without resorting to spreading misinformation about him.

There's nothing inherently wrong with a politician being Muslim. I am not a big fan of that particular religion, but we're electing a secular leader, not a pastor. I'd rather vote for a devout Muslim with Reagan's values and positions than another Woodrow Wilson.

Also, although left unsaid, it's obviously suggesting all Muslims are terrorists. Don't make such sweeping generalizations, dude. You'll end up sounding like this:

I don't know what irks me more: the moronic xenophobia these absurd conspiracy theories feed off of, or the fact that the Christian Right apparently *needs* this kind of approach in order to manipulate voters.
Apparently, they could never get people to vote for them if they actually focused on their platform.
 
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You know what's REALLY funny? People assuming he is Muslim because of this ring, but not realizing that gold is specifically forbidden for men to wear.

So he is a secret Muslim that:

-Eats pork (Haram)
- Drinks Beer (Haram)
- Professes Christ as God (Shirk, the most grave sin in Islam)
- Wears gold jewelry (Haram for Muslim men)


He's got to be about the worst Muslim ever. And before you can claim it is Taqiyya, that is only acceptable in cases where death is imminent. Lying about faith where there is no threat of death is wrong, and sinful.
 
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All of the Arabic Christians I know call God "Allah".

Are they all actually Muslim ?

Well there is Allah (proper name of the Muslim god) and Allah (the generic word in Arabic that translates to God).

It would be like a religion worshiping a god named God, while a Christians worships God, the generic term for the deity also known as YHWH.
 
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You know what's REALLY funny? People assuming he is Muslim because of this ring, but not realizing that gold is specifically forbidden for men to wear.

So he is a secret Muslim that:

-Eats pork (Haram)
- Drinks Beer (Haram)
- Professes Christ as God (Shirk, the most grave sin in Islam)
- Wears gold jewelry (Haram for Muslim men)


He's got to be about the worst Muslim ever. And before you can claim it is Taqiyya, that is only acceptable in cases where death is imminent. Lying about faith where there is no threat of death is wrong, and sinful.
Actually, Tagiyya is fine if it advances the agenda of Islam, especially with the infedels. I'll find some quotes from the quaran when I get a chance, but I do not believe Obamas has ever, ever stated what I have bolded in blue. Tell me where you got that information, please. I do know that Obamas has stated faith in Jesus Christ is not needed to go to Heaven, but never have I heard him profess that Jesus Christ as God.
 
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Actually, Taqiyya is fine if it advances the agenda of Islam. I'll find some quotes from the quaran when I get a chance, but I do not believe Obamas has ever, ever stated what I have bolded in blue. Tell me where you got that information, please. I do know that Obamas has stated faith in Jesus Christ is not needed to go to Heaven, but never have I heard him profess that Jesus Christ as God.

It is not fine. It is explicitly prohibited unless death is imminent.

Sahih Al Bukari states:

There is a consensus that whomsoever is forced into apostasy and chooses death has a greater reward than a person who takes the license [to deny one's faith under duress], but if a person is being forced to eat pork or drink wine, then they should do that.


Further, it is also stated:

Taqiyya is in all things, until it reaches bloodshed. If it reaches bloodshed then there is no taqiyya.


If Obama says he is a Christian (but is really a lying Muslim) and bloodshed occurs under this guise, then it is not taqiyya. So I guess, he'd be an awful Muslim committing shirk by saying Jesus is Lord and Savior, and then using drones to kill Muslims under this lie.


You really can't claim it is taqiyya. Sorry.


As for his speech about Jesus being God:

Heckler Calls Obama the Antichrist; Obama Proclaims 'Jesus Is Lord'

The man was heckling saying "Jesus is God", and when he was escorted out, Obama replied "I agree with that. Jesus is Lord" He agrees that Jesus is God and Jesus is Lord. That would be shirk.


And according to Scripture:

If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.
 
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If Obama says he is a Christian (but is really a lying Muslim) and bloodshed occurs under this guise, then it is not taqiyya. So I guess, he'd be an awful Muslim committing shirk by saying Jesus is Lord and Savior, and then using drones to kill Muslims under this lie.

You really can't claim it is taqiyya. Sorry.

As for his speech about Jesus being God:

Heckler Calls Obama the Antichrist; Obama Proclaims 'Jesus Is Lord'

The man was heckling saying "Jesus is God", and when he was escorted out, Obama replied "I agree with that. Jesus is Lord" He agrees that Jesus is God and Jesus is Lord. That would be shirk.


And according to Scripture:

If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.
Good scripture to consider...

Another scripture to consider:
President Obama has noted numerous times that Christ is Lord/the Way to salvation...and he has also shared in other interviews where he stands on issues of faith--more here at Obama on faith: The exclusive interview « The Dude Abides . He is definately an inclusivist, in that he agrees with other believers that feel the Lord judges the heart/determines whether people are seeking him or not.....with it being the case that even those who've never heard of the name of Christ can make it into heaven just as others did in the OT. More on that was discussed at Faith, Politics, and the Evangelical Culture of Judgment « Out of Bounds

President Obama has always appreciated the spiritually pluralistic nature of American society. He is a Christian Inclusivist who respects the beliefs of everyone in our society–Spiritual Seekers, Christian Exclusivists, and nonreligious people alike. The inclusivist view is at odds with the exclusivist view that occurs within differing camps of Christianity----but it is not a view seperate from what many in the early Church held to. Father Papademetrious (of Orthodoxy) defines "exclusivism" very precisely and narrowly: it only refers to the most extreme position that all non-Christians "will be damned because there is no salvation outside the visible Body of Christ, the Church". Papademetrious' definition of "inclusivism" reflects and expands upon his definition of "exclusivism". While allowing that salvation is possible for non-Christians, Papademetrious (again very precisely and very narrowly) states that (1) the only possible avenue by which non-Christians can escape damnation is "through the mercy of [the Christian] God"; and also that (2) non-Christians do not attain salvation (if they attain it at all) through the agency of their non-Christian religious traditions, for such salvation is only conferred on the non-Christian "in spite of the religion he practices".​

Some of this was discussed more in-depth elsewhere (as seen here in #59 ) when it comes to debates on the fate of the unsaved---as Dr. Michael Brown has had in discussing others such as Rob Bell/Gregory McDonald and others in their views on the Atonement....and more here as well in #14/ #15 when discussing the Civil War happening in Christendom on the issue...and has been occurring for a long time. For more, there is a brilliant academic/scholar by the name of John Sanders who has done much work in discussing the issue...specifically in a book he made entitled "No Other Name".​

There are many thoughtful believers often wondering about the final destiny of those who, through no fault of their own, do not in this lifetime hear the gospel of Jesus Christ. Many believers assume that all such persons will certainly be lost. ..though evangelical scholar John Sanders says we ought not to be so sure. We must affirm that salvation is only through Jesus Christ, he insists, but that does not necessarily mean that everyone saved by Jesus has heard of Jesus. One can see more in an article, published in the Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society, which gave reviews on Sanders' book, No Other Name: An Investigation into the Destiny of the Unevangelized ( HTML PDF ). There was also a written/detailed summary of the contents of Sanders' book, viewable in a PDF file if one chosoes to click here.​


Outside of that, one can also go online and consider looking up the article under the name of "UK Apologetics: An Evangelical Inclusivist Defends Evangelical Inclusivism". Something that another brother said best in the article entitled "Inclusivism and Universalism – To Hell With Sin? « C. Orthodoxy :
I think the New Testament is clear that “salvation is found in no one else” but Jesus. It is only because God himself took on human form, died and rose again, that humanity has any ultimate hope. Explaining how I reconcile that with inclusivism will require discussing the nature of the atonement, but I don’t want to get bogged down with complicated theories right now. Thankfully, there is a relatively easy way to remember the big three (moral influence, substitution, and Christus victor): Prophet, Priest and King.

This is a very old distinction, but I owe the reference to my former professor, Hans Boersma, whose outstanding book on the atonement is a must read: As Prophet, Jesus’ life, death and resurrection reveal what it is to be truly human; their example teaches us how to love and sacrifice and hope. As Priest, Jesus’ life, death and resurrection have, in some sense, allowed him to bear our sins in our place, and so cleanse us from them. As King, Jesus’ life, death and resurrection have actively defeated evil, not just on a personal level, but on a cosmic one. Though debates rage over the precise nature and interrelation of these elements, I believe that all three are essential to the significance of Jesus’ incarnation.

So I do not in any way deny that Jesus is the only means of salvation, but neither am I convinced that God’s justice requires that a person must have heard or embraced this truth before death. And yet, as my previous post indicates, I think we should nevertheless live as though this were a requirement. How can I say this? The answer goes right back to my understanding of the nature of the atonement: If Jesus really is the victorious King who defeated evil once and for all, then that effects everyone, not just those who hear about it. By the same token, if Jesus really is “our great High Priest,” his death was sufficient to cover all sins, even those of people who never hear of him.
It is within this context that the president can be best understood when seeing the ways that he declares Christ is Lord and yet simultaneously honors others for where they are----and noting that they can be saved. For those bent on accusing him of being a "secret Muslim", there'd be not real logic behind it in light of where other Muslims have noted him not being Muslim and people have pointed out repeatedly how it is logically consistent to see him as a Christian who has a Muslim background, no different than other believers AROUND THE WORLD who are believers in Christ and yet had backgrounds in Muslim culture (more shared on that here and here ). As one who had a experiences with both Christians and Muslims growing up in Indonesia and the Asia-Pacific rim (more here, here and here), he has always had an international perspective...and sadly, many in the U.S assume that one cannot be a Christian who works with Muslims at the same time even when other Christians do so often just as they do with all their neighbors.


People need to get over the paranoia and learn how the world works. ..as someone working with Muslims doesn't become a follower of all things Muslims believe because of that...nor is it the case that making references to God as Allah (just as Arabic Christians do) mean that one doesn't follow Christ. Not everything within Islam has to be villified or feared---and much of it needs to be appraised. Of course, I may be alone in that stance here...as I've discussed elsewhere when it comes to those who are Messianic Muslims... and Muslim outreach. People often seem to have very little understanding of what it means to come from one background/express appreciation for it and yet be in another faith and advocate for that one. There was an excellent book I was going through that has been excellent on the issue, entitled "The Crescent Through the Eyes of the Cross" ( ), which has been really helpful whenever it comes to working with Muslims and seeing the extensive ways outreach is done amongst them and how they often interact with others. (more here , here, here, here and here/here).


It is fairly well -known that Obama attends a "Christian" church and is within that camp, even if the church views he supports are more liberal than most--and for more, one can go here, and here at Obama Is Not a Muslim | Christianity Today | A Magazine of .

 
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