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Hi, I'm working on starting a book review show, and I'm working on the theme song, which the 1960's Batman theme-song with me beating up a bunch of bad books instead of bad guys, so I need ideas for books to show me beating up. I already have books like Twilight, 50SoG and Davita's Harp, but I'm having a bit of a problem coming up with more.

So, Christian Forums, what, in your opinion, are the worst books of all time?
 

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Well the real worst books never saw light. Or recently perhaps not. Self publishing is now possible at a reasonable cost and I'll bet some of them are pretty bad.

But those don't serve your purpose.

I'd vote for the entire Wheel of Time series by Jordan.

Or the Thieves World series starting with book 5 (I think, not positive just where it starts going bad).

Or the Gor series after book 8 or so.

Why for each of these?

Well Jordan writes pretty well, but goes nowhere. It is the neverending story, but not in a good way.

Thieves World was a cool idea. In a drunken after party at a Science Fiction convention the point came up that there was almost no production of short stories any more. It got pointed out that the fouindation work for a short story, creating the world and characters, was almost as much as for a novel, but the pay was far less. The outcome was the creation of Thieves World, a setting where different authors could use the same world and use, but not use up eachothers characters.

I was very good for a few collections. And part of the beauty was one could pick up book 3 and all the stories worked, perhaps not as well as if yuo had read books one and two. But worked. But then things changed. The stories were novellas or longer and it got to the point where one had to have read the previous book, and read it recently. All the virutes were gone.

Gor is an interesting series, fantasy in the Barsoom mold but with a bit of SM sex as a spice. Actually rather good. And book 5, Assassin of Gor even provides some really nice counter point to the physolophy presented. But starting in 8 or 9 the stories become weak and the SM becomes the mainstay. Spice is good, but few eat curry powder straight.

I also found "The Gripping Hand" by Niven and Pournelle to fall flat. It si a sequell to "The Mote in God's Eye" which was great. I don't remember much about it, other than that I quit partway through. (Unthinkable got a Niven and Pournelle book).

Honestly waht got me on this this line of thought is a book I never read. Misery buy Steven King. From what I know of it the story is abotu a rabid fan who is upset that an author killed off her favorite character and she holds the author captive and will use any means needed ot force him to revive the character.

King did not conjure up this idea out of thin air. It is actually a basic reallity of writing, all he changed is the motivation, usually it is more the carrot, that any book with the loved character sells (and publishers will even give a large advance).

So look to late books in series. They often fall well short of waht came before.
 
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keith99 said:
Well the real worst books never saw light. Or recently perhaps not. Self publishing is now possible at a reasonable cost and I'll bet some of them are pretty bad.

But those don't serve your purpose.

I'd vote for the entire Wheel of Time series by Jordan.

Or the Thieves World series starting with book 5 (I think, not positive just where it starts going bad).

Or the Gor series after book 8 or so.

Why for each of these?

Well Jordan writes pretty well, but goes nowhere. It is the neverending story, but not in a good way.

Thieves World was a cool idea. In a drunken after party at a Science Fiction convention the point came up that there was almost no production of short stories any more. It got pointed out that the fouindation work for a short story, creating the world and characters, was almost as much as for a novel, but the pay was far less. The outcome was the creation of Thieves World, a setting where different authors could use the same world and use, but not use up eachothers characters.

I was very good for a few collections. And part of the beauty was one could pick up book 3 and all the stories worked, perhaps not as well as if yuo had read books one and two. But worked. But then things changed. The stories were novellas or longer and it got to the point where one had to have read the previous book, and read it recently. All the virutes were gone.

Gor is an interesting series, fantasy in the Barsoom mold but with a bit of SM sex as a spice. Actually rather good. And book 5, Assassin of Gor even provides some really nice counter point to the physolophy presented. But starting in 8 or 9 the stories become weak and the SM becomes the mainstay. Spice is good, but few eat curry powder straight.

I also found "The Gripping Hand" by Niven and Pournelle to fall flat. It si a sequell to "The Mote in God's Eye" which was great. I don't remember much about it, other than that I quit partway through. (Unthinkable got a Niven and Pournelle book).

Honestly waht got me on this this line of thought is a book I never read. Misery buy Steven King. From what I know of it the story is abotu a rabid fan who is upset that an author killed off her favorite character and she holds the author captive and will use any means needed ot force him to revive the character.

King did not conjure up this idea out of thin air. It is actually a basic reallity of writing, all he changed is the motivation, usually it is more the carrot, that any book with the loved character sells (and publishers will even give a large advance).

So look to late books in series. They often fall well short of waht came before.

Ahhhh no hate for wheel of time! I love it. It is super long but if you stick with it all the seemingly endless exposition and side stories meet up and merge for the bigger story. It all means something. And I'm one of those who likes the exposition and expounding on the worlds and their histories in books. Jordan created a gigantic and fantastic world. Its too big to ne contained in much less than 14 books.

And as for worst books I nominate the 3 musketeers and the man in the iron mask. But I loved the count of monte christo.
 
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Ahhhh no hate for wheel of time! I love it. It is super long but if you stick with it all the seemingly endless exposition and side stories meet up and merge for the bigger story. It all means something. And I'm one of those who likes the exposition and expounding on the worlds and their histories in books. Jordan created a gigantic and fantastic world. Its too big to ne contained in much less than 14 books.

And as for worst books I nominate the 3 musketeers and the man in the iron mask. But I loved the count of monte christo.

I disagree on The Three Musketeers, but tend to agree that The Man in the Iron Mask at the least falls short of the earlier work.

One thing I noticed when comparing those works is that in the Musketeers Dumas mentioned the different ways the main Characters could be addressed and actualy used one of those to great effect near the end. When d'Artagnan tries to get Athos to accept the Lieutenant's commission given to him by richelieu he declines saying that for Athos it was too much and for the Comte de le Fere it is too little.

In The Man in the Iron Mask Dumas seems to use names and titles iinterchangable and to no effect other than to creat confusion in the reader.

I wonder if perhaps the quality of hte translations I gort played a part.

I find The Three Musketeers to ba a classic examole of dumbing down and removal of complexity and shades of characters. In the book few characters are all good or all evil. Richelieu in particular is not evil so much as having a different (and likely more correct) view of what is best for France. That in the epilogue d'Artagnan and Rochefort eventually become friiends speaks volumes.
 
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The God Delusion has to be one of the worst books ever. When Dawkins' fellow atheists say the book is rubbish you know it's bad!
I've read a lot of it and from a theological stand point the arguments don't hold up.
 
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keith99 said:
I disagree on The Three Musketeers, but tend to agree that The Man in the Iron Mask at the least falls short of the earlier work.

One thing I noticed when comparing those works is that in the Musketeers Dumas mentioned the different ways the main Characters could be addressed and actualy used one of those to great effect near the end. When d'Artagnan tries to get Athos to accept the Lieutenant's commission given to him by richelieu he declines saying that for Athos it was too much and for the Comte de le Fere it is too little.

In The Man in the Iron Mask Dumas seems to use names and titles iinterchangable and to no effect other than to creat confusion in the reader.

I wonder if perhaps the quality of hte translations I gort played a part.

I find The Three Musketeers to ba a classic examole of dumbing down and removal of complexity and shades of characters. In the book few characters are all good or all evil. Richelieu in particular is not evil so much as having a different (and likely more correct) view of what is best for France. That in the epilogue d'Artagnan and Rochefort eventually become friiends speaks volumes.

Its been a long time so I don't remember the specifics. I just remember hating those two.
 
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Its been a long time so I don't remember the specifics. I just remember hating those two.

It says you are 22. That hardly allows for a long time.

Any chance they were read for class? I've seen far too many cases where a book that would otherwise be enjoyable is ruined because of the way it is treated in class.

Just after I graduated College (where it was a real issue to find classes of interest to fulfil general requirements) there started to be classes like "Science Fiction as Literature" and the like. At the time I wished they had those when I was in school. I leter reversed my opinion after hearing how those classes tended to ruin the experience.
 
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It says you are 22. That hardly allows for a long time.

Any chance they were read for class? I've seen far too many cases where a book that would otherwise be enjoyable is ruined because of the way it is treated in class.

Just after I graduated College (where it was a real issue to find classes of interest to fulfil general requirements) there started to be classes like "Science Fiction as Literature" and the like. At the time I wished they had those when I was in school. I leter reversed my opinion after hearing how those classes tended to ruin the experience.

They were part of freshman english in highschool. So its been like 8 years. I've always been an avid reader. I read frankenstein in the 6th grade. And I'm pretty good about giving a book a chance even if I'm forced to read it. I was forced to read count of monte christo and still liked it. The scarlet letter wasn't that bad. And I love shakespeare(barring romeo and juliet). I even really liked paradise lost. But the cantebury(sp?) tales were quite painful....
 
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The Bridges of Madison County. I listened to it on tape many years back, read by the author. It wasn't that it was overly sappy (it was sappy), but I didn't see the lead characters as heroic or feel any affection for them. The book was basically a justification for adultery. The part with the children of the female lead character pushed the bounds of believability.

Plus the author had a dry mouth while reading it. "Take a drink of water", I'd yell. ^_^
 
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The Worst Books (Children's Literature):
  1. You Are Different and That's Bad
  2. The Boy Who Died From Eating All His Vegetables
  3. Dad's New Wife Robert
  4. Fun four-letter Words to Know and Share
  5. The Kids' Guide to Hitchhiking
  6. Curious George and the High-Voltage Fence
  7. The Little Sissy Who Snitched
  8. Some Kittens Can Fly.
  9. The Magic World Inside the Abandoned Refrigerator
  10. The Pop-Up Book of Human Anatomy
  11. Strangers Have the Best Candy
  12. Whining, Kicking and Crying to Get Your Way
  13. You Were an Accident
  14. Go the F**k to Sleep - Amazon (Yep this one's real)
  15. Things Rich Kids Have, But You Never Will
  16. Pop! Goes The Hamster...And Other Great Microwave Games
  17. The Man in the Moon Is Actually Satan
  18. Your Nightmares Are Real
  19. Eggs, Toilet Paper, and Your School
  20. Why Can't Mr. Fork and Ms. Electrical Outlet Be Friends?
  21. Places Where Mommy and Daddy Hide Neat Things
  22. Daddy Drinks Because You Cry

But in all serisousness. I hated The Great Gatsby. It was a good story, but I hated all of the characters. They all got what they deserved. They were just acting so selfishly.
 
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The Great Gatsby[/I]. It was a good story, but I hated all of the characters. They all got what they deserved. They were just acting so selfishly.

I had the same feelings toward Pip in Great Expectations.
 
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I had the same feelings toward Pip in Great Expectations.

But I loved Great Expectations. That's one of my favorites.
But the character's in the Great Gatsby were so much worse.

Most people hated the end of Great Expectations too, but I loved it.
 
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But I loved Great Expectations. That's one of my favorites.
But the character's in the Great Gatsby were so much worse.

Most people hated the end of Great Expectations too, but I loved it.

I don't mind the ending, but I remember hating the book around the middle because of how selfish the character was. I've never read the Great Gatsby.
 
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I read a book called "The Sad Tale of the Brothers Grossbart" on an international flight. I do not recall the author, but I am sure you could google it. I kept asking myself "Why Am I reading THIS?" but I could not put it down because I needed something to do, being nervous about my trip/reason for going to Europe. Anyhow, the book was TERRIBLE but I read it!
 
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But in all serisousness. I hated The Great Gatsby. It was a good story, but I hated all of the characters. They all got what they deserved. They were just acting so selfishly.

Hi

Nice to be here. Hope you don't mind me jumping in on your thread?

The Great Gatsby ,is my opinion, one of the greatest books of the 20th century.
Fitzgerald offers the reader an insight into the real `new money` which sprung up turn of the century. Fin de siecle, literature commenting on themes relevant to the period and exposed to the public by F. Scot.
 
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