Dealing with magic ;.,.,.,.,;

Qoorban85 · Sep 19, 2012

Am I the only one that is lost as to where this thread has gone since the OP?

awitch · Sep 19, 2012

Qoorban85 said:
Am I the only one that is lost as to where this thread has gone since the OP?

I'll sum up.
God doesn't like people who practice magic because it's evil and you end up being possessed by geeky demons. By reading aloud from the Quran, the demons will leave you alone, but if you do it frequently enough, so will everyone else. Also, Daffy Duck is awesome.

pgp_protector · Sep 19, 2012

amorly said:
Not evil spirits
This is not true
But

Jinn and devils
can login to the bodies of people
So the solution

..

Just get a good Antivirus / Firewall.
Or Change your User ID/ Password.

awitch · Sep 19, 2012

pgp_protector said:
Just get a good Antivirus / Firewall.

* localhost TCP 666 block always
* localhost UDP 666 allow always (if you still play Doom)

Qoorban85 · Sep 19, 2012

awitch said:
I'll sum up.
God doesn't like people who practice magic because it's evil and you end up being possessed by geeky demons. By reading aloud from the Quran, the demons will leave you alone, but if you do it frequently enough, so will everyone else. Also, Daffy Duck is awesome.

LOL...Thank you so much for the clarification.

SeventhValley · Sep 20, 2012

amorly said:
Religious fanaticism is not true

This is a result of anger
But

There is no freedom of speech in insulting the prophets and messengers

Responsible must be punished

What you just wrote is a contradiction. Punishing people who do not agree with you is the definition of religious fanaticism.

Jane_the_Bane · Sep 20, 2012

Qoorban85 said:
Am I the only one that is lost as to where this thread has gone since the OP?

Oh, it's just one of those poorly translated advertisements amorly keeps posting. In the end, it all boils down to: "Join Islam now!"

Ana the Ist · Sep 20, 2012

amorly said:
Islam does not encourage murder

Yes

Religious fanaticism is not true

This is a result of anger
But

There is no freedom of speech in insulting the prophets and messengers

Responsible must be punished

Only
And all assistants

For that movie
And not to repeat this again
If you want a peaceful coexistence

-----Defense of the prophets and apostles
The duty of every Muslim

All are equal

285. . The Messenger (Muhammad ) believes in what has been sent down to him from his Lord, and (so do) the believers. Each one believes in Allah, His Angels, His Books, and His Messengers. They say, "We make no distinction between one another of His Messengers" - and they say, "We hear, and we obey. (We seek) Your Forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the return (of all)."
It ought to punish any person who speaks bad verbal or picture the Holy Qur'an and Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him

Because it is from God

God says in the Holy Qur'an
(33) Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,
(34) Except for those who return [repenting] before you apprehend them. And know that Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

Talk about the extent of the limits of God, and put Sharia means the process of criminal crucial during her talk about the limits of Allah Almighty, as in this verse, in order to maintain security and prevent the evil souls of the rush away from Noazaaha own deviant, which pushes toward killing and looting, banditry and scheming of Islam and Muslims, and spread chaos and destruction, and corruption in the lives of the people, and so on ... To clarify the issue for the punishment of Allah and His Messenger

" There is no freedom of speech in insulting the prophets and messengers"
Actually there is, that's what freedom of speech is all about.

And why would I want to peacefully coexist with those who would deby me my rights?

Zoness · Sep 21, 2012

Sorry, I can't take a religion seriously that would behead me for my faith and practices as they stand.

Rationalt · Sep 21, 2012

Zoness said:
Sorry, I can't take a religion seriously that would behead me for my faith and practices as they stand.

Not when your neck is on the line. That is why there are NO pagans in islamic countries.

Zoness · Sep 21, 2012

Rationalt said:
Not when your neck is on the line. That is why there are NO pagans in islamic countries.

And exactly why something like a world caliphate (which Islam calls for) is a direct threat to my continued existence. Not that it is a realistic goal but Europe is already having more trouble in the religion arena.

amorly · Sep 23, 2012

------
Yes

Many, many communities

Which has this horrible stuff
And experienced by a lot of people
See here

There are more and more evidence I have of realistic positions in people's lives

--Most of the people are now suffering from black magic. Even my family had it too but now we are safe Alhamdulillah!

May Allah protect all of the mankind, Amin
!
--Once I asked a Malay woman in Springhill, N.S. about deep-rooted Malay folklore and traditional culture about what their beliefs are about Black Magic, to my surprise, she said that her mother was a victim of santau. And suffers terribly from various illnesses due to an amulet like a tiger's tooth which is passed down from one generation to another as their heritage.

So you see, black magic believers are worldwide

, don't listen to Zee. Magic DOES exist. ----

My mom went to a black magician once because she wanted my dad to stop checking out other women. He cast a spell on my dad, and now dad can't look at any other woman except my mom. It really worked.

Zee, stop spreading misinformation. You're being unscientific

Muslim has narrated, on the authority of one of the wives of the Prophet (may Peace Be Upon Him) (Hafsah - may Allah be pleased with her), that Allah's Prophet (may Peace Be Upon Him) said:

"Whoever went to a fortune-teller and asked him about some matter (i.e. of the unseen) and believed him, will have his prayer rejected for forty days."

The Prophet (may Peace Be Upon Him) informs us in this Hadith that if anyone visited a fortune-teller and asked him about a matter of the unseen - about which, in reality, none possesses knowledge except Allah - and believed in what fortune teller said, Allah will not accept his prayers, nor reward them for forty days - and this is a punishment for the major sin which he has committed.

Benefits Derived From This Hadith

1. The prohibition of fortune-telling.

2. The forbiddance of believing the prophesies of soothsayers and fortune-tellers.

3. That a person may lose the reward of his prayers as a punishment for his sins.

Relevance of This Hadith to the Subject of the Chapter

That the Hadith proves the forbiddance of fortune-telling and the belief in it.

Relevance of This Hadith to the Subject of Tawheed

That the Prophet (may Peace Be Upon Him) has condemned whoever visits a fortune-teller for he has made him a partner with Allah in possessing knowledge of the unseen.

Important Note

It has been mentioned by the scholars - may Allah have mercy on them - that whoever believed in what the fortune-teller says does not have to repeat his prayers for this period of forty days, but that he receives no reward for them.

----You are in this way
Put yourself in the base against Allah and His Messenger

Can you endurance
And
fights allah?

If I traveled to France
Must be committed to the laws of the French
In order to protect myself from punishment

Therefore

Foreign countries dealing with Muslims
And violate the most important red line

You do not want to achieve justice and punishment was wrong

So
Mistakes in you

You want chaos and hatred
And not calm things down and end it

Mutual respect and peaceful co-existence

------

The application of Islamic law

Will provide safety and protection and happiness

for

Muslim and non-Muslim

Like

Amr ibn al-Aas in the conquest of Egypt

Caliph Omar ibn al-Khattab

In his time of prosperity and compassion

You will not see a non-Muslim ride roughshod over Muslim

Words and deeds

And vice versa

Peaceful coexistence

Fruit tree

People thrown it

By stones

This indicates the success of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him

#Muhammad - Ø§ÙÙØ¬ÙÙ ÙØ§ÙØ±Ø¯ Ø§ÙÙØ±Ø¢ÙÙ - YouTube

#Muhammad - When They Insult Our Prophet (PBUH) - YouTube

Supreme · Sep 23, 2012

I don't believe in magic at all. I've never seen it in my life, nor do I know of anyone who has ever experience magic.

Tobias · Sep 24, 2012

As a Spirit-filled Christian I speak in tongues, cast out devils, and have seen countless sick people prayed for who then testify afterwards that they are healed. I'm curious to know that Islam thinks of this?

You guys believe that the prophets worked miracles by God's hand, right? But also that Muhammad was the "Last Prophet". So what is your take on miracles now? Has God retired out of the miracle-working business, and left it all in the hands of Satan? (Many other Christians seem to think so!

)

Personally I think that if there is any validity to the scriptures, then the same results to prayer should be reproducible today. Provided of course that the circumstances are similar... like for example God hasn't died or anything!

Jane_the_Bane · Sep 24, 2012

See, I'm a neo-pagan and an avid student of both the Western esoteric tradition and ceremonial magick.

And yet, I do not believe in "the supernatural", nor the kind of fantasy-book sorcery that most people seem to associate with the term "magic". (And that includes Christian miracle workers and exorcists, even though they'd probably take offense at having their practices identified as magical rituals.)

Let me try to explain:

to me, Magick is a practice that deals with the (utterly natural) forces of the psyche - our individual psyche, our collective unconscious, or even the minds of others. It causes changes in consciousness, and thereby changes the world: kind of like the difference between walking out the door in a sour mood - or experiencing that same scene when you're serene.

It's "all in our heads"- they just happen to be a lot larger and inter-connected than most people think.

Tobias · Sep 24, 2012

Jane_the_Bane said:
It's "all in our heads"- they just happen to be a lot larger and inter-connected than most people think.

Wait. Our minds are inter-connected? How so?

There might be hope for you yet, Jane.

I mistook you for a complete doubter.

Inter-connected, as in not just one human to another (yawn boring), but in a pagan, all things on Earth type of way, right? :idea:

amorly · Sep 25, 2012

Magic and its likes, such as divination, jugglery, conjuration, and employing the jinn for bad purposes, are prohibited in Islam because they are based on lying, cheating, ill-gotten moneys, and neglecting reason and religion. There is no doubt that magic has an external influence on some people of weak, diseased hearts and much illusion. Allah says, (... they taught men sorcery ... and from these two (angels) people learn that by which they cause division between man and wife; but they injure thereby no one save by Allah's permission).

The wisdom of prohibiting magic is that when Allah the Almighty created man, He honored him with reason and invited him to use reason to build his life according to its guidance, whereas magic and other things like it contradict the high divine goal and make man and society live in ignorance and illusion away from the truth and the real facts.

Islam has contended against magic and declared that a magician must be killed if he does not repent. The money gained from magic is unlawful. Teaching magic, learning it, and taking wages for it are all unlawful.

Imam as-Sadiq (as) said, 'He, who learns something of magic whether little or much, disbelieves ...

Imam Ali (as) said, 'A diviner is like a fortune-teller, and a fortune-teller is like a magician, and a magician is like an unbeliever, and the unbeliever will be in Fire.

If magic and its likes had no harmful effects, Islam would not have prohibited them. We do not say that magic has no effects, but one must seek the protection of Allah the Almighty from magic and its bad effects. Allah says in His Book, (So when they cast down, Musa (Moses) said to them: What you have brought is magic; surely Allah will make it naught; surely Allah does not make the work of mischief-makers to thrive. And Allah will show the truth to be the truth by His words, though the guilty may be averse (to it)).

This verse and what happened to Prophet Moses (as) with the magicians shows that magic was practiced by the followers of the Devils, but Allah curbed it so that its influence would not reach those who believed and relied on Allah sincerely such as Prophet Moses ( as) and the believers whom the influence of magic and jugglery did not affect.

We conclude that when man believes in Allah with sincerity and certainty, magic and its like will not have any influence over him. If magic was able to have influence over anyone, the devils from the human beings and the jinn would do to the believers whatever they liked; however, we find the believers stronger than them, and, moreover, they are able to even annul the effects of magic on others by reciting some Qur'anic verses and certain supplications, through which they strengthen the spirit of a bewitched one and help him overcome the magic and the magician

Black Magic is different from sleight of hand

awitch · Sep 25, 2012

Jane_the_Bane said:
Let me try to explain:

to me, Magick is a practice that deals with the (utterly natural) forces of the psyche - our individual psyche, our collective unconscious, or even the minds of others. It causes changes in consciousness, and thereby changes the world: kind of like the difference between walking out the door in a sour mood - or experiencing that same scene when you're serene.

I agree 99.9%. I like to leave a little wiggle room for a direct, divine blessing.

Jane_the_Bane · Sep 26, 2012

awitch said:
I agree 99.9%. I like to leave a little wiggle room for a direct, divine blessing.

I don't really have a problem with that. My personal view of deities combines the Jungian idea of "archetypes" with a conception that's pretty similar to the Shintoist "kami" or the Vodun "loa" (just to mention two extant religions; shamanic traditions and even the pagan religions of classical antiquity often embraced a similar idea, in spite of our tendency to "streamline" the latter retroactively).

Jane_the_Bane · Sep 26, 2012

amorly said:
Islam has contended against magic and declared that a magician must be killed if he does not repent.

It's a clear sign of intellectual bankruptcy when the only way you can deal with your competitors is by killing them. Or, to put it in Isaac Asimov's words:

"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."

Imam as-Sadiq (as) said, 'He, who learns something of magic whether little or much, disbelieves ..."

Imam Ali (as) said, 'A diviner is like a fortune-teller, and a fortune-teller is like a magician, and a magician is like an unbeliever, and the unbeliever will be in Fire.

Thank you for proving a point that's been made earlier - namely that your religion cannot tolerate the idea of existing alongside competing world views.

If magic and its likes had no harmful effects, Islam would not have prohibited them.

And this is just circular logic at its worst, born of a blind authoritarianism.

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