both Mecicare, & Obamacare as 'Forced'-participation: morally wrong.

sk8Joyful said:

When you understand the Basics, perhaps we can have an intelligent discussion.

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Ironic insult is ironic (and insulting).

sk8Joyful said:

That you personally can't, because you don't know how to REstore the body to HEALTH, fortunately has no bearing on other people's CAN, and DO know how, and in fact have done it.

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Could you link us to any examples of these people? Because basically you're suggesting that medical science is bunk. I'm rather dubious and not inclined to simply take your word for it.

David.

DaisyDay said:

Ironic insult is ironic (and insulting).

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Yes, there is that. *shrugs*

sk8Joyful said:

Correct, drugs do not make people.

Obviously, for EMERGENCIES, drugs do 'FIRST-Aid':

• Difficulty breathing.
• Fainting.
• Chest pain or pressure.
• Uncontrolled bleeding.
• Coughing or vomiting blood.
• Sudden severe pain.
• Poisoning.
• Major injuries, such as broken bones.
• Sudden facial drooping or weakness in an arm or leg.

Following an Emergency, such as those ^, man-made drugs often make the difference between LIFE, and death. So obviously, in Emergency-situations it is very good to have an ER, where people can be helped. Additionally, when people need Emergency-surgery, the same is true. Again, the event being an Emergency... - Having myself worked in Burn & Trauma center, no one would argue this fact. It is very good that we have Emergency centers where people can be Triaged, & promptly FIRST-Aided. Emergency-drugs make up a tiny % of pharmaceuticals.

Then the person can return home, and start the process of *healing*: Healing is the created-ability which God generously Blessed us with, via a continuous supply of Pluripotent, Undifferentiated Stem cells, from which our mind regenerates & renews our body, until mortal death.

The vast majority of man-made drugs are for chronic-conditions, addressing but symptoms. The problem with that is that God did not create "symptoms"; instead God creates us humans, including the ability to self heal. -
(When man-made drugs, focus & keeps a person stuck in a viscous cycle of symptoms), that person can NOT self heal. -

Forcing people to stay stuck sick chronically & perpetually... is immoral, & wrong. Why?
because GOD said in John10:10 "The thief doth not come, except that he may steal, and kill, and destroy; I came that they may have life, and may have it abundantly..." in soul+mind+body.

Hence (beyond Emergency-medicine, when it does its job right), the government's MEDICARE is also immoral, & wrong, as that is the vehicle to keep the population in a viscous cycle of symptomology treatments stuck; instead of empowering & championing people to self heal.

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This week in surgery I have seen a young person with insulin dependent diabetes (Type I diabetes) and an older person with rheumatoid arthritis.
These people are chronically ill. I do not cause or maintain their chronic illness, but rather monitor their illness and prescribe appropriate medication which prolongs their life and reduces the inherent complications and co-morbidity of their conditions. In the case of the person with rheumatoid, a large part of what we do is pain relief and disease modification with medication such as methotrexate. This is far from ideal and not without its side-effects, but it can make life more bearable for the patient.
In the case of the diabetic, the therapeutic basis behind their use of insulin is is a lot clearer. If they don't use it, they die.

Now, I am a Christian and I believe that in some very rare cases of illness a supernatural/miraculous intervention may occur. I have never come across such in my career so far but I have spoken to doctors who believe they have.
However, I think that it would be very dangerous - indeed, criminally negligent as well as immoral - to tell a person with insulin dependent diabetes mellitus to stop their meds and "go home and self-heal".

Especially in Europe, where I was born & raised where 'chronic'-disease(s) was in our towns virtually an unknown, there today you might find greater freedom in such Tried-and-found-True 'anti-aging' practices. Yet there are some such successful Medical-doctors in the USA too, tho obviously not well known to the mainstream still oppressed.

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Which European country do you come from that has no chronic disease?