Bill Nye: Creationism Is Not Appropriate For Children

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You don't know where it is or what causes it, and you can't provide any sort of example, mechanism, or rationale for it,

Really?

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Hate to break it to you, but macro evolution and micro evolution are basically the same thing, just on different time scales. You can't believe one happens and not the other.
Nope. Micro-evolution is basically trial and error which is not questioned. There is not enough time in the universe for trial and error to account for all complex proteins found in nature. There has to be a different mechanism to account for novelties.
 
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Do you have the work to support that claim?
Ann Gauger and DouglasAxe did the work of taking two very similar proteins thought to be evolutionary cousins with different functions. They learn it's require 7 neutral mutations to change from one function protein to the other. It would require 10 (27 zeros) for 7 combine neutral mutations to arise in bacteria population. That's quadrillion trillion years.
 
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Ann Gauger and DouglasAxe did the work of taking two very similar proteins thought to be evolutionary cousins with different functions. They learn it's require 7 neutral mutations to change from one function protein to the other. It would require 10 (27 zeros) for 7 combine neutral mutations to arise in bacteria population. That's quadrillion trillion years.

Could you provide a link to the Discovery Institute's findings? I'd like to look it over myself.
 
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cricket0206 said:
No, micro evolution is small changes. All these small changes add up over time, which creates a new animal.

Let's use the example of a stop motion movie. One frame is one change. The frame right after it is another change. Each frame doesn't look that different than the previous one, but if you take the first frame and the very last frame, well, they are different. This also explains the so called "lack" of transitional fossils. Every fossil is transitional.

It's like saying, "I believe in atoms, but not electrons or protons." You have to believe in both. It's ridiculous not to.

We can observe evolution on the micro scale very easily, with various experiments that have involved bacteria, fruit flies, foxes, and guppies.

We can also observe macro evolution, believe it or not. Modern humans are changing. Our little toes are gradually getting smaller and smaller, because we don't need them as much because our shoes provide protection. A muscle in our foot that used to pick up things is useless now, but it used to not be. It's so useless that if extra tissue is required for surgery, they'll just take it from that muscle, the way they'll take extra skins for skin grafts. We still have ear muscles that are left over from when we used to be able to move our ears like a cat. Our appendix used to have function, when we ate a diet of more plants. Just look in the mirror, and you'll see the remnant of a third eyelid in your eye, near the tear duct.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! *puts head down while pounding on desk* not one of your examples even remotely proves macro-evolution! How is us supposedly LOSING a toe equal to our gaining anything, or turning into something completely different? *wipes a tear of laughter from eye* oh thanks, I needed that...whew...

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! *puts head down while pounding on desk* not one of your examples even remotely proves macro-evolution! How is us supposedly LOSING a toe equal to our gaining anything, or turning into something completely different? *wipes a tear of laughter from eye* oh thanks, I needed that...whew...

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Evolution doesn't mean gaining, it means changing over time due to heredity. Animals tend to drift towards forms which are more suited to their environment. If they no longer need a digit it tends to disappear, etc.

Also I hope you realize that you're tagline at the end appears deeply sarcastic when it appears beneath posts which attempt to be condescending or dismissive. You may want to save it for posts which are at least somewhat respectful to the person you're addressing.
 
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I don't agree.

I don't believe we should have to play the all-or-nothing card with evolution.

Like I said, you have to play all or nothing. You can accept one and not the other, it doesn't make sense. It's like believing in atoms, but not protons and electrons. Macro and micro are essentially the same thing.

Some people only accept micro because they've seen it in labs. (Yet we haven't seen creation in labs but they still choose to believe that). And macro infringes on their religious beliefs, so they choose to turn a blind eye to it and ignore the facts.
 
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! *puts head down while pounding on desk* not one of your examples even remotely proves macro-evolution! How is us supposedly LOSING a toe equal to our gaining anything, or turning into something completely different? *wipes a tear of laughter from eye* oh thanks, I needed that...whew...

May God Richly Bless you!

Once again you've proven that you haven't the slightest idea how evolution works.

Evolution isn't like a ladder, where at the bottom is the lowest life form, and the top is the highest. Evolution is more like a tree. Gaining something is not always an improvement. Losing something can be as equally beneficial. Have you read a single book on evolution? Just read one Dawkins book on it. And I know a lot of Christians cringe whenever they hear his name, but he is a scientist after all.

And a species will not just out of the blue, turn into something else. Macro evolution takes THOUSANDS, perhaps millions of years to happen. A monkey will not just give birth to a human. A fish doesn't suddenly give birth to fish with legs.

Here's an example.

A rabbit gives birth to a another rabbit, and that rabbit gives birth, and so on and so on until you have many generations, let's say 50. If you look at the first rabbit and compare it to it's child, they won't look that different from each other. But if you take the oldest rabbit and the youngest one, you'll notice some changes. The changes from one offspring to another are too small to recognize.

Got any other claims explain that all scientists are wrong and that somehow you know how modern species came into being?
 
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acropolis said:
Also I hope you realize that you're tagline at the end appears deeply sarcastic when it appears beneath posts which attempt to be condescending or dismissive. You may want to save it for posts which are at least somewhat respectful to the person you're addressing.

Nope, I always mean it. I truly hope God richly blessed everyone I talk to, regardless if I agree with them or not. I'm sincerely amused by crickets responses, because they seem straight from the usual places with the usual arguments. It tickled my funny bone a bit. It's not intended to be disrespectful, it truly was very amusing. *shrugs* Sorry if people take offense...none is intended...

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cricket0206 said:
Once again you've proven that you haven't the slightest idea how evolution works.

Evolution isn't like a ladder, where at the bottom is the lowest life form, and the top is the highest. Evolution is more like a tree. Gaining something is not always an improvement. Losing something can be as equally beneficial. Have you read a single book on evolution? Just read one Dawkins book on it. And I know a lot of Christians cringe whenever they hear his name, but he is a scientist after all.

And a species will not just out of the blue, turn into something else. Macro evolution takes THOUSANDS, perhaps millions of years to happen. A monkey will not just give birth to a human. A fish doesn't suddenly give birth to fish with legs.

Here's an example.

A rabbit gives birth to a another rabbit, and that rabbit gives birth, and so on and so on until you have many generations, let's say 50. If you look at the first rabbit and compare it to it's child, they won't look that different from each other. But if you take the oldest rabbit and the youngest one, you'll notice some changes. The changes from one offspring to another are too small to recognize.

Got any other claims explain that all scientists are wrong and that somehow you know how modern species came into being?

Again, what you're describing is MICRO-evolution, and does not lend any credence to macro-evolution. What you're describing is variety, or adaptation.

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Again, what you're describing is MICRO-evolution, and does not lend any credence to macro-evolution. What you're describing is variety, or adaptation.

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That is how macro works. Small adaptions over long periods of time, add up to a new species.

It's not a difficult concept.

Please tell me how you think macro evolution works. Do you think an animal will suddenly turn into a new species, or give birth to a species entirely different from itself?
 
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cricket0206 said:
That is how macro works. Small adaptions over long periods of time, add up to a new species.

It's not a difficult concept.

Please tell me how you think macro evolution works. Do you think an animal will suddenly turn into a new species, or give birth to a species entirely different from itself?

But what you're describing, in order to get every living thing on this planet exactly as it is, totally undirected, would take trillions upon trillions of years. Even still it doesn't take into account origins, and we would have to believe that humans and tarantulas came from the same ancestors at some point. It's a logical fallacy at best...and what you're describing, when talking about a sudden rise of a totally different animal is called Punctuated Equilibrium and is not what I'm talking about. The genetic information in say a rabbit does not contain the coding to give rise to anything other than a rabbit. Even by mutation, which is only a scrambling of the same information, you will not get anything other than a rabbit. Maybe different variations but always a rabbit.

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But what you're describing, in order to get every living thing on this planet exactly as it is, totally undirected, would take trillions upon trillions of years. Even still it doesn't take into account origins, and we would have to believe that humans and tarantulas came from the same ancestors at some point. It's a logical fallacy at best...and what you're describing, when talking about a sudden rise of a totally different animal is called Punctuated Equilibrium and is not what I'm talking about. The genetic information in say a rabbit does not contain the coding to give rise to anything other than a rabbit. Even by mutation, which is only a scrambling of the same information, you will not get anything other than a rabbit. Maybe different variations but always a rabbit.

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The Earth is about 4 and a half billion years old. Life has existed for a little less than that. That's plenty of time.

Are you forgetting that ALL life on earth can be traced back to a single common ancestor? It's been proven.
 
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cricket0206 said:
The Earth is about 4 and a half billion years old. Life has existed for a little less than that. That's plenty of time.

Are you forgetting that ALL life on earth can be traced back to a single common ancestor? It's been proven.

No, it hasn't. It's been assumed, or believed, but no it hasn't been proven.

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Actually, no offense, but I don't have time for you just now. I have a young woman in a very tragic situation who has come to me for counselling, and I really don't have time to prove you wrong just now, so until we meet again on the boards, take care and be well.
 
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Hahahahahaha! And I'm told I don't understand evolution! Heehee! One is minor changes or adaptations over time, the other is a complete changing of one animal into a completely different animal, and has basically no evidence! Lol!

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Thank you for giving more evidence that you do not understand evolution. Back to biology class with you.
 
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No, it hasn't. It's been assumed, or believed, but no it hasn't been proven.

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Actually, no offense, but I don't have time for you just now. I have a young woman in a very tragic situation who has come to me for counselling, and I really don't have time to prove you wrong just now, so until we meet again on the boards, take care and be well.

Why would the science community claim something that isn't true? That makes NO sense at all. They wouldn't.

And good luck trying to prove me, and 99% of scientists wrong. Maybe I'll believe you when you do an experiment that proves evolution wrong, deliver the results, get it peer reviewed, and collect your Nobel Prize.
 
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