Sabbath was blessed by God and made holy. Sunday was never blessed by God.

MoreCoffee · Aug 30, 2012

Post #420 has a typo too

Rev Randy · Aug 30, 2012

On typos, I'm the king and admit it. I once thanked my doG.

MoreCoffee · Aug 30, 2012

Sunday is blessed because the Lord rose on a Sunday. That by itself is sufficient to make it blessed and holy. After all, the Lord of Glory chose to come to our world, he lived, and died, and then to the amazement of all and for our salvation he rose from the dead.

bugkiller · Aug 30, 2012

Frogster can hardly wait till his gross typos are pointed out. That would be probably every post. Some one better get busy. They have several weeks worth of work to do. Love ya Frogster even with the typos. Keep posting and making them. There will be little people all the time griping about worthless things.

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Rev Randy · Aug 30, 2012

I was not griping. I was thanking you for making my day a bit brighter by the slip of your finger. Little People? It's apparent you have not seen my bulging belly. Must be the bacon.

ptomwebster · Aug 30, 2012

MoreCoffee said:
Sunday is blessed because the Lord rose on a Sunday. That by itself is sufficient to make it blessed and holy. After all, the Lord of Glory chose to come to our world, he lived, and died, and then to the amazement of all and for our salvation he rose from the dead.

The Lord arose on the first day of the week, MAN called that day Sunday, not God. God said, work six days, rest seventh, work six days, rest seventh .... We are about at the second day of rest, the Lord's Day (about the space of one-half hour).

bugkiller · Aug 30, 2012

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MoreCoffee · Aug 30, 2012

There is a certain Day called Today ... the rest of God is an open invitation.

Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. (Hebrews 4:1-11)

To enter into God's rest means to cease from 'our own works'; what are those works from which we cease? And what is God's rest?

Those are pivotal questions for our SDA brethren.

Rev Randy · Aug 30, 2012

Reread it.

MoreCoffee · Aug 30, 2012

Well Rev_Randy, I could give you the same verses in a different translation

If you want to reread it ...

Let us beware, then: since the promise never lapses, none of you must think that he has come too late for the promise of entering his place of rest. We received the gospel exactly as they did; but hearing the message did them no good because they did not share the faith of those who did listen. We, however, who have faith, are entering a place of rest, as in the text: And then in my anger I swore that they would never enter my place of rest. Now God's work was all finished at the beginning of the world; as one text says, referring to the seventh day: And God rested on the seventh day after all the work he had been doing. And, again, the passage above says: They will never reach my place of rest. It remains the case, then, that there would be some people who would reach it, and since those who first heard the good news were prevented from entering by their refusal to believe, God fixed another day, a Today, when he said through David in the text already quoted: If only you would listen to him today; do not harden your hearts. If Joshua had led them into this place of rest, God would not later have spoken of another day. There must still be, therefore, a seventh-day rest reserved for God's people, since to enter the place of rest is to rest after your work, as God did after his. Let us, then, press forward to enter this place of rest, or some of you might copy this example of refusal to believe and be lost. (Hebrews 4:1-11)

Rev Randy · Aug 30, 2012

Perhaps I should address my posts. MoreCoffee, your post was not there as I began to post. My "re-read it" comment was to bug killer. Sorry. Seems we were posting at the same time.
I agree with your post. I also agreed with the prior one.
Man O man, seems I'm causing miscommunication today.

Salvum me fac.

Jenna · Aug 30, 2012

When the women came to the tomb on the 1st day, before the sun had risen, he was already gone. I don't know that it is most correct to say that Yeshua (called Jesus) rose on "Sunday". I understand where the confusion lies though, with folks thinking that Yeshua was crucified on "Friday". The whole reckoning of time is off though. If a person is hanging their hat on "Sunday" being some how blessed because they think that that is the day that Yeshua was risen, what happens to that whole thought process and "Sunday" worship services, if it is easily shown that Yeshua rose on the Sabbath?

Just some thoughts and questions....

LittleLambofJesus · Aug 30, 2012

Originally Posted by MoreCoffee
Cows and sheep get worms too, different kinds no doubt, but some infect humans and cause health problems, yet cow and sheep meat is 'ceremonially clean' while pig meat is not, nor is Camel meat, or horse meat, or donkey meat, none of which are scavengers.

The idea that the OT dietary laws were health laws is a load of hooey. They are and always were ceremonial. And since SDAs think that the ceremonial law came to an end it seems that this whole 'counsels on diet and health' thing is unreliable even from a SDA stance - except of course if you accept E G White's writings as having some special religious authority.

TruthWave7 said:
Do you defy God himself?! God spoke to Noah and Moses directly and told them what is clean and what is not, thousands of years ago, and those same animal are still not healthy beasts to eat. Of course all animals can get sick and be diseases including humans. But, look at a pig for example, it eats almost everything even feces, it has a short intestine, while a beef cattle has several stomachs and eat only grasses. God had a purpose for the various animals that He created, and some were not put there for mankind to eat. In fact, in the beginning Adam and Eve didn't eat beasts, they were given a vegetarian diet before they sinned. That is very telling of what God's original diet was to be. SDAs are only trying to do what is the most healthy and biblical things in our time in history. While Roman Catholics want us to stay in the dark ages when it comes to human health.

MoreCoffee said:
God didn't tell Noah "Hey, these animals are healthy eating!" and he didn't tell Moses "These ones are good for your health but the others are disease ridden so avoid them". You are reading your theology into the bible instead of the other way round.

If you want to avoid pork for health reasons - spurious though those reasons may be - by all means do so, but do not be telling Christians that unless they avoid pork they are disobeying God because they are not.

It is a "grave" subject to discuss :angel:

http://www.christianforums.com/t89353-28/#post1654716
Eating pork and shellfish is a grave sin.

I have read in the Bible that eating pork and shellfish is prohibited by God Himself. From God's own mouth he commands this. So why do so many Christians that I have known throughout my life so blatantly ignore God's command? I was not even aware of this before I became a Christian, but now that I know, I have gievn up pork and shellfish and have asked God to forgive me for my ignorance.

I ask this question to my fellow Christians: are you aware of this law and if so then why to you ignore it? I'd really like to know, because it upset me greatly to know that so many of brothers and sister defy God's law.

MoreCoffee · Aug 30, 2012

Jenna said:
When the women came to the tomb on the 1st day, before the sun had risen, he was already gone. I don't know that it is most correct to say that Yeshua (called Jesus) rose on "Sunday". I understand where the confusion lies though, with folks thinking that Yeshua was crucified on "Friday". The whole reckoning of time is off though. If a person is hanging their hat on "Sunday" being some how blessed because they think that that is the day that Yeshua was risen, what happens to that whole thought process and "Sunday" worship services, if it is easily shown that Yeshua rose on the Sabbath?

Just some thoughts and questions....

We've probably all heard the Wednesday crucifixion theory before because it was so widely popularised by Herbert W Armstrong and a few others but it is a theory unsupported by any good evidence. Besides, Jesus rose on the first day [of the week] and the first day is Sunday.

Rev Randy · Aug 30, 2012

Good post Jenna. Still we must read on. Luke 24:5 is where we get the risen on Sunday Idea. Also verse13 says the same day. I agree with the Friday part, that just doesn't add up to three days nor does it line up with OT prophecy. Still Friday is our tradition and I'll honor it as a holy day. (Intent of the heart). I'm pretty certian our Christmas is also off a bit but it really doesn't matter as we have no way to find that date.

New_Wineskin · Aug 30, 2012

Jenna said:
When the women came to the tomb on the 1st day, before the sun had risen, he was already gone. I don't know that it is most correct to say that Yeshua (called Jesus) rose on "Sunday". I understand where the confusion lies though, with folks thinking that Yeshua was crucified on "Friday". The whole reckoning of time is off though. If a person is hanging their hat on "Sunday" being some how blessed because they think that that is the day that Yeshua was risen, what happens to that whole thought process and "Sunday" worship services, if it is easily shown that Yeshua rose on the Sabbath?

Just some thoughts and questions....

Tradition will not be overcome by logic or facts - just a head's-up .

ViaCrucis · Aug 30, 2012

Jenna said:
When the women came to the tomb on the 1st day, before the sun had risen, he was already gone. I don't know that it is most correct to say that Yeshua (called Jesus) rose on "Sunday". I understand where the confusion lies though, with folks thinking that Yeshua was crucified on "Friday". The whole reckoning of time is off though. If a person is hanging their hat on "Sunday" being some how blessed because they think that that is the day that Yeshua was risen, what happens to that whole thought process and "Sunday" worship services, if it is easily shown that Yeshua rose on the Sabbath?

Just some thoughts and questions....

Except that the Scriptures are pretty clear in that they tell us that Jesus rose on the first day of the week. They are also clear how long He was in the tomb for, and that the day He was crucified was on the day before the Sabbath.

"That very day ... it is now the third day since these things happened. Moroever, some women of our company amazed us. They were at the tomb early in the morning, and when they did not find His body...." - from Luke 24

The Sabbath ended sundown Saturday, any time after sundown Saturday would have constituted the first day of the week following a Jewish reckoning of time. Early Christians, such as St. Justin, are quite explicit, stating in no uncertain terms that the day Christians gather on, the first day of the week, which the Romans called "Day of the Sun" (Sunday) which follows the seventh day which the Romans called "Day of Saturn" (Saturday) is done precisely because Christ rose on the first day of the week, on "Sunday".

No, Christ did not rise on the Seventh Day, on the Sabbath. He rose on the First Day, Sunday, the Lord's Day as Christians were to call it ever after.

Nobody can read Scripture or study Christian history and not come to this fact, to deny this is to place one's head in the sand out of religious obstinance, not out of pious devotion.

If one wants to gather for worship on the Sabbath, they are more than free to do so. However, to say that this is when Christ rose is patently false, and to say that this is when the early Christians gathered is also patently false. Further, to declare that Christians MUST gather on the Sabbath and that we are forbidden from gathering on Sunday is theological refuse.

-CryptoLutheran

Sophrosyne · Aug 30, 2012

I often wonder how people would think Jesus rose on the Sabbath when wasn't it part of Sabbath keeping rules you were not allowed to work or even travel very far... a day of rest and people were wandering around graves it doesn't sound like something you would be doing on a Sabbath hanging around a graveyard.

TruthWave7 · Aug 31, 2012

Sophrosyne said:
I often wonder how people would think Jesus rose on the Sabbath when wasn't it part of Sabbath keeping rules you were not allowed to work or even travel very far... a day of rest and people were wandering around graves it doesn't sound like something you would be doing on a Sabbath hanging around a graveyard.

Jesus rested in the tomb on the 7th day Sabbath, and rose on the 1st day to encourage the disciples and instruct them as to their mission to bring the Gospel into all world.

New_Wineskin · Aug 31, 2012

Sophrosyne said:
I often wonder how people would think Jesus rose on the Sabbath when wasn't it part of Sabbath keeping rules you were not allowed to work or even travel very far... a day of rest and people were wandering around graves it doesn't sound like something you would be doing on a Sabbath hanging around a graveyard.

None of those people saw Him rise from the dead . He rose on the Sabbath or Saturday evening . They didn't find out until Sunday morning .

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