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Douggg said:

Yes, the 7 heads represent 7 mountains and 7 kings. That is why the 7 kings verse is right after the 7 mountains verse.

Revelation 17;9
And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.


I know the names of the mountains on which the harlot sitteth and I know the names of the kings and they are not the same names.

The heads have crowns on them in Revelation 12. They are kings.

The heads don't have crowns on them in Revelation 17 because the prophecy of the 7 kings is unfulfilled in the first century when king #6 was ruling. King #7 doesn't come to power, completing the prophecy of the seven kings until Revelation 12, which is timed at the beginning of the 7 years. (verses 1-5 are a historic preamble to the rest of the chapter to identify the woman as Israel. The 7 years are Revelation 12:6 + 12:14)

The horns have crowns on them in Revelation 13, because they are kings also. It says the horns are ten kings in Revelation 17. The ten kings reign with the 8th king, the beast for a short period. That short period is the 42 months in Revelation 13. Which is why they have their crowns in Revelation 13 and no where else.

The ten nations of the promised land have been reigning with the beast since they renderd thier kingdom (Palestine)unto the beast in 1948.
The beast continues 42 months after Babylon is fallen and the saints are given into his hand for that amount of time.
It is at that time Noahide law is inforced upon he public and the gospel is outlawed.(the daily sacrifice)The beast(king of Babylon)reigns for 70 years before he is destroyed .(1948-2018)The ten horns in Daniel are said to be kings but they also must serve the king of Babylon till the 70 years are fulfilled.They cant defeat the king of Babylon till after that time.
The little horn(beast) is said to be in the pleasant land(Canan)and the little horn subdues three of the other horns(Jordan Syria and Egypt )fulfilled in 1967..

The wounded head is not a mountain because the heads have crowns. In Revelation 12, the 7 heads have their crowns because king #7 has come to power at the beginning of the 7 years.

You could be on to something but
If the head were not a mountain then the word of God would be wrong cause the word ofGod says the head is a mountain.No one can change that.


In Revelation 13, none of the heads have their crowns because king #7, the last of the 7 kings, has been mortally wounded near the middle of the seven years, and the prophecy of the 7 kings is over at that point.
What part of the beast represents the 7 kings?

Have no clue what your trying to say here.
What youve just said about the 7th king is not written in scripture.
Scripture says the the beast is the 8th and is of the seven and Ive already coverd that.

There are not 8 mountains in the prophecy. So why would I think that?

Because scripture says there are 8 kings .And you believe the mountains are kings.

Doug

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Manasseh_ said:

you said Iran is under a king, I showed you that Iran is not under a king but under a president, that's not a lie that's simply a mistake on your part............deal with your own mistakes without calling me a liar in the process

you seem to get more angry each time I give you truth from scripture.......ad hominem attacks never win a debate or argument, it simply shows you don't have a defense for your premise so all you can do is go into a tyrade attacking the person ,what kind of christianity is that ?????

I see you posted from Jeremiah.......God also told Jeremiah that Babylon would NEVER EXIST AGAIN as an empire..............
Jeremiah 25:12 And it shall come to pass, when seventy years are accomplished, that I will punish the king of Babylon, and that nation, saith the LORD, for their iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans, and will make it perpetual desolations.

PERPETUAL DESOLATIONS and as history clearly bears out Babylon NEVER DID return again as a world ruling empire now did it, or are also going to ignore documented history too?
In another post I showed that he Medo-Persian Empire did destroy the Babylonian Empire............you do realize that even Daniel read from the book of Jeremiah ? that Jeremiah came before Daniel ?????

a few pointers to help you with your anger problem

Proverbs 15:18 A wrathful man stirreth up strife: but he that is slow to anger appeaseth strife.
Proverbs 16:32 He that is slow to anger is better than the mighty; and he that ruleth his spirit than he that taketh a city.
Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Proverbs 10:14 Wise men lay up knowledge: but the mouth of the foolish is near destruction.


Proverbs 14:16 A wise man feareth, and departeth from evil: but the fool rageth, and is confident.

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LastSeven said:

Shiloh, it is you who should be ashamed of yourself. You need to stop calling people liars and start showing some respect.

You may have some good insight to share with people but you won't get very far if you don't drop the arrogant attitude. We are all here to learn, and we all are able to change our minds on interpretation of scripture but with the rudeness you've shown people are going to be much more resistant to accepting anything you have to say.

Remember the Lord expects a humble servant, not a pompous ass.

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Douggg said:

(Doug)In Revelation 13, none of the heads have their crowns because king #7, the last of the 7 kings, has been mortally wounded near the middle of the seven years, and the prophecy of the 7 kings is over at that point.
What part of the beast represents the 7 kings?

(shilohsfoal)
Have no clue what your trying to say here.
What youve just said about the 7th king is not written in scripture.
Scripture says the the beast is the 8th and is of the seven and Ive already coverd that.

(Doug) You have no clue because you are not accepting that the 7 heads represent both 7 mountains on which the woman sits and 7 sequential
kings.

The wounded head in Revelation 13 is king #7. How so? Because in Revelation 17, the beast has 7 heads but no crowns. That vision is timed the first century AD. King #7 in Revelation 17 was to yet to come. He rules but for a short time.

In Revelation 12, the dragon (beast) has 7 heads and the 7 heads have 7 crowns. Meaning King #7 has come to power with the full 7 years of Daniel 9's last week to go. King#7 was the last of the 7 sequential kings.
Thus, the prophecy of 7 kings is fulfilled with 7 years to go.

In Revelation 13, the heads don't have crowns, and one of the heads is mortally wounded. Since in Revelation 17, 6 kings have already been accounted for ( and no wounded head in that chapter), the remaining head (king) that is mortally wounded is the 7th king.


Here are the verses.

(Chapter 17 is 1st century AD)
Revelation 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.


(Chapter 12 is Future, at the beginning of the 7 years)
Revelation 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

(Chapter 13 is Future, at the mid point of the 7 years, 42 months left)
13:1 - And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Tabular form:

Revelation 17
7 heads, no crowns
10 horns, no crowns

Revelation 12
7 heads, crowns
10 horns, no crowns

Revelation 13
7 heads, no crowns
10 horns, crowns
1 wounded head

Here is another tabular form

7 heads -

• Revelation 17 no crowns
• Revelation 12, crowns
• Revelation 13, no crowns, 1 wounded head

10 horns -

• Revelation 17, no crowns
• Revelation 12, no crowns
• Revelation 13, crowns

Doug

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Douggg said:

The world does not worship the beast, in Revelation 13, until there are 42 months left in the 70th week of Daniel 9. It is still future.

Revelation 17 is time stamped the first century. The beast is in the bottomless pit, was and is not (Nimrod imo). When the beast is to worshipped is when the beast was, is not, yet is (end times Antichrist man 7th king is slain and comes back alive).

The beast in the bottomless pit, spirit of Nimrod, ascends out of the bottomless pit to possess the slain, come back alive end times Antichrist. Thus, possessing former king #7, the beast in the bottomless pit becomes the 8th king.


7 heads -

• Revelation 17 no crowns why?
• Revelation 12, crowns why?
• Revelation 13, no crowns, 1 wounded head why?

10 horns -

• Revelation 17, no crowns why?
• Revelation 12, no crowns why?
• Revelation 13, crowns why?

Doug

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Aijalon said:

I think it is time to repost this, you did not really address my response in the other thread.

Shiloh, you need to divide your topic into two different ideas.

#1 THE TEN KINGS

#2 JERUSALEM = BABYLON

Concerning #1 you have some interesting things to say, but in #2 you are clearly wrong.

You have misinterpreted the context and order of Matthew 23. Note that throughout chapter 23 Jesus does not mention Jerusalem until the end of the chapter, after much admonisment of the Scribes and Pharisees. Verse 35 applies to a group of people following religion and not following true faith. In that time, they were the mystery of Babylon because they were in fact responsible for the persecution of the true saints. Jerusalem as a city, was in thier charge, but the city itself is to be rescued by Jesus (see the later chapters of Isaiah for example)

23:29 `Wo to you, Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the sepulchres of the prophets, and adorn the tombs of the righteous,
30 and say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 So that ye testify to yourselves, that ye are sons of them who did murder the prophets;
32 and ye -- ye fill up the measure of your fathers.
33 `Serpents! brood of vipers! how may ye escape from the judgment of the gehenna?
34 `Because of this, lo, I send to you prophets, and wise men, and scribes, and of them ye will kill and crucify, and of them ye will scourge in your synagogues, and will pursue from city to city;
35 that on you may come all the righteous blood being poured out on the earth from the blood of Abel the righteous, unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the sanctuary and the altar:
36 verily I say to you, all these things shall come upon this generation.

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So at verse 35-36 you see Jesus has a very serious and final statement regarding the judgement of the pharisees.

Mathew 23:37
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

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So you see that Jesus then turns and begins a new tact and addresses Jerusalem directly. He stops short of blaming the city for ALL THE RIGHTEOUS BLOOD, and then goes on to express his sorrow that he could not gather the city in a very odd comparison. Jesus compares himself to a brooding chicken! This does not seem like a warrior king to me. Jesus does not gather his armies to fight against Jerusalem, he fights for it.

Isaiah 62:1
For Zion's sake I am not silent, And for Jerusalem's sake I do not rest, Till her righteousness go out as brightness, And her salvation, as a torch that burneth.

Jeremiah 17:24-25
24 “‘And it shall come to pass, if ye diligently hearken unto Me, saith the Lord, to bring in no burden through the gates of this city on the Sabbath day, but hallow the Sabbath day to do no work therein,
25 then shall there enter into the gates of this city kings and princes sitting upon the throne of David, riding in chariots and on horses, they and their princes, the men of Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and this city shall remain for ever.

Jeremiah 33:20-22
20 `Thus said Jehovah: If ye do break My covenant of the day, And My covenant of the night, So that they are not daily and nightly in their season,
21 Also My covenant is broken with David My servant, So that he hath not a son reigning on his throne, And with the Levites the priests, My ministers.
22 As the host of the heavens is not numbered, Nor the sand of the sea measured, So I multiply the seed of David My servant, And the Levites My ministers.'


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Aijalon said:

I am not disputing that Jerusalem may be leveled in the future, but I'm saying it cannot be God that levels it, and Jerusalem is not Babylon. You are dodging the issue. Jerusalem is a city that exists on earth, and the final heavenly city of Jerusalem is exactly that, a heavenly city. That doesn't change the prophecies concerning the earthly city.

So tell us, what does it look like when the heavens roll up like a scroll. How did you see this?

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