AFA's Fischer Calls for Kidnapping Children of LGBT Parents

RedPaddy said:

you've failed to present any evidence this claim was made by anyone. The presented convoluted reasoning failed to do this.

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Please go back and read the last 10 pages or so of M0's posts.

I think you've failed to keep up with discussion RedPaddy. Re-read MO's posts on the need to follow God rather than man justifying such things. None of those posts provided any evidence that such an action would be a legitimate obligation toward God.

Illuminaughty said:

Redpaddy,

Ever hear of the term bisexual? Apparently it was within the range of possiblity for her to be sufficienly attracted to the opposite sex as well.

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That's not how she self-identified either.

Illuminaughty said:

I think you've failed to keep up with discussion RedPaddy. Re-read MO's posts on the need to follow God rather than man justifying such things. None of those posts provided any evidence that such an action would be a legitimate obligation toward God.

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I've read them and find no support for your argument's premises not those of DL.

dies-l said:

So, you were just providing Scripture for the sake of providing Scripture, not for making an argument? That makes sense, because I was really wondering what on Earth your chosen Scripture citation had to do with this discussion.

In that case, I would like to add Numbers 20:1 to the list of Bible verses that are irrelevant to the conversation: "In the first month the whole Israelite community arrived at the Desert of Zin,(A) and they stayed at Kadesh.(B) There Miriam(C) died and was buried."

I hope you find it as insightful as I did.

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Proverbs 27:12 A prudent man sees evil and hides himself, The naive proceed and pay the penalty. NASB

I'm sure someone will chime in that Miller is not a man so this doesn't apply

TLK Valentine said:

Well, at least you're not trying to justify kidnapping with Scripture, then -- it'd be a hopeless case.

As a matter of fact, it's already a hopeless case:

Kenneth Miller trial: Jury delivers guilty verdict - Local News - Plattsburgh, NY - NBCNews.com



Only three years for helping a lesbian smuggle a child out of the country? I expect a suitable amount of outrage from the right.

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A year and a half for good behavior. He'll get his reward in Heaven so the time will be worth it

She can identity herself however she so desires the reality of the matter is that she seems capable of attraction to the opposite sex just as she is also capable of being attracted to the same sex. That's what the term bisexual implies. Some people don't have that ability.

Also note that no one here has tried converting anyone else to being gay. Even if it's theoretically possible no one is trying to do any conversion along those lines here thus there is no promotion.

MachZer0 said:

A year and a half for good behavior. He'll get his reward in Heaven so the time will be worth it

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Well, unless he repents, it quite likely won't be a reward and won't be in Heaven, but other than that you are spot on.

MachZer0 said:

Proverbs 27:12 A prudent man sees evil and hides himself, The naive proceed and pay the penalty. NASB

I'm sure someone will chime in that Miller is not a man so this doesn't apply

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I don't see how it applies anyway. I don't see anything about kidnapping children in that verse.

dies-l said:

Well, unless he repents, it quite likely won't be a reward and won't be in Heaven, but other than that you are spot on.

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Rescuing a child will always get a reward.

MachZer0 said:

Rescuing a child will always get a reward.

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No children were rescued in this story. The only child that I see was kidnapped and hidden from her mother. If you think that that behavior warrants a reward, you are not getting your morals from the God of Scripture.

dies-l said:

I don't see how it applies anyway. I don't see anything about kidnapping children in that verse.

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Some people don't want to see how it applies. Some people want to manipulate the Bible to make it say what it doesn't, and make it not say what it does. That's where eisegesis comes into play.

The bottom line is that a child was rescued. God bless all who participated. And God help us when our judicial system promotes evil

MachZer0 said:

Rescuing a child will always get a reward.

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So who's going to rescue this child from her fugiive lesbian parent?

This might be a moot point -- as I've ponted out before, we have no way of confirming whether or not the child is even still alive.

Unless the fugitive makes contact with her family (unlikely), the only person who might have any knowledge of this is Ken Miller -- and he's not about to risk his livelihood by talking.

Just ban homosexual couples from being guardians of children.

RedPaddy said:

Correction, you mistyped yet again, it's "former-lesbian" and it was not "a child" it was "her child".

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We have only her word that she's a "former lesbian." We cannot confirm this because she has gone to ground, with the child in tow.

I'd have a lot more faith in her conversion if I had heard it from her before she decided to become a felon.

I don't suppose it's occurred to any of our friends on the right that many homosexuals are well-versed in the art of lying about their sexual proclivities? It's a survival skill, in some cases.

And even if we assume that she's telling the truth, all that means is that this woman is more than capable of changing her sexual proclivities at will -- Since the Right consider homosexuality to be both a choice and an abomination, then by their own count, this woman's already flip-flopped twice.

Third time's the charm, as they say... and should she relapse, she will be completely isolated with nobody but the now 10-year old daughter (if indeed, the child is still alive), that she conceived with a turkey baster to share with her partner -- whom she will no doubt miss terribly should her Sapphic predilictons resurface.

Our friends on the right call this woman, not a ticking time bomb, but a "hero."

Go figure.

MachZer0 said:

Some people don't want to see how it applies. Some people want to manipulate the Bible to make it say what it doesn't, and make it not say what it does. That's where eisegesis comes into play.

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And, some people want to pretend that it is relevant to an issue that it has no bearing on. That is where eisegesis comes into play.

The bottom line is that a child was rescued. God bless all who participated. And God help us when our judicial system promotes evil

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The bottom line is that a child was kidnapped, placed into greater danger than she was in before, and is being forcibly kept from a person that probably loves her deeply and who she probably loves deeply. The God of justice and mercy (you know the one in the Bible) would NEVER bless such a thing. And, God bless our legal system, that while flawed, is holding accountable at least one of the people responsible for this wickedness.

Creech said:

Just ban homosexual couples from being guardians of children.

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Yes, because keeping or placing children into foster care (the sole alternative in many cases) is far better than them being exposed to gay people. (I do hope you are a poe, but somehow I doubt it).

dies-l said:

Yes, because keeping or placing children into foster care (the sole alternative in many cases) is far better than them being exposed to gay people. (I do hope you are a poe, but somehow I doubt it).

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I think we need to encourage adoption where children can have the blessing of a mother and a father. Although I respect the intentions of gays wanting to adopt, the children will grow up thinking their sinful lifestyle is acceptable along with many other problems.

Creech said:

I think we need to encourage adoption where children can have the blessing of a mother and a father.

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See my sig in that regard. If all Christians did as Scripture commands, we would not need to have this discussion. Unfortunately, there are still far too many orphans and foster children available for adoption who will never be adopted.

Although I respect the intentions of gays wanting to adopt, the children will grow up thinking their sinful lifestyle is acceptable along with many other problems.

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Given what I said above, regardless of how you might feel about homosexuality, it is clearly FAR worse for a child to age out of foster care or to remain in an orphanage their whole life than it is to be raised by a same sex couple.

Creech said:

Just ban homosexual couples from being guardians of children.

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So you are advocating tearing families apart?