OT: DA found in margarine/processed foods linked to Alzheimers

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Certain nutritionists are now saying that the concern about cholesterol is a myth, and that we need cholesterol. If we deprive the body of cholesterol, the body will find a way to manufacture it.

The doctors have been telling me that my cholesterol level is a little high, but if I try to lower it anymore, then I become easily exhausted. Eating pasture-fed cheeses and butter helps me to maintain my energy levels. Eating low fat cheeses and butters drains my energy and then I crave sugars.

If I do without sugars, then I crave the rich natural fats in butters and cheeses. If I do without sugars or fats, then I have no energy whatsoever, and just want to sleep. I gotta eat to live, but veggies by themselves just do not cut it. During Great Lent, I eat olives, avocados, nut butters, brazil nuts, and fish (Salmon with its natural fats) along with veggies, but I need fat from some source. Due to my health concerns, the priest said that a strict fast is not reasonable, and that I am to do the best I can.

Tests of my carotid arteries have been normal with no sign of any heart disease.

Interestingly, though, I cannot eat processed or cooked foods containing butter and cheeses, even if those butter/cheeses are pasture-fed. Thus, pizza, macaroni, butter cookies, and other sugar-rich, butter and/or cheese-rich pastas, dishes, desserts, and breads are out. Sadly, cheese cake is also on the forbidden list for me as I am allergic to eggs.

I'm a little confused. Doctors and Nutritionists (the good ones anyway - any I've ever heard from) NEVER said not to take in any cholesterol at all, just that it needed to be limited.

I haven't heard that changed. More HDLs and less LDLs has been the recommendation for years.

Do you have any old official documentation that either recommends 0 cholesterol from bygone times, or any current official documentation that says any concern about cholesterol is a complete myth? I'd be interested in seeing either one.
I'm sorry Maria, I'm not trying to shut you down. That about the reversal on cholesterol just sounded like a bit of an exaggerated claim to me.

Your point that eggs, cheese, and butter not being bad for us in moderation stands strong! :thumbsup:
 
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I am a butter kind of guy, but my wife and I also love Smart Balance. I just looked at the ingredients, and it has "natural and artificial flavors", so it probably has DA as well.

Normally when I cook I use butter or olive oil, and in abundance. Butter tends to make so many things SOOOO good.

I have begun to care less about what someone may say about cholesterol levels. I am not saying that bad cholesterol levels are not a risk for heart disease, but there are so many factors other than cholesterol. There are people who eat crap, smoke, and drink all their lives live to be almost 100, and there are people who spend their whole lives staying fit and eating properly who die of heart attacks in their 40s. So my stance has become that I'll eat what I eat and I'll die when I die. I'll try to be responsible with it, but when I die it's not going to be because I worried too much about my diet.

I also find it interesting how the world of food and drugs has led us to believe that certain things are good for us, just to turn around and tell us that we now need all their medications to save us from the consequences of living the lifestyles that they told us to live. Go figure, eh?
 
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I am a butter kind of guy, but my wife and I also love Smart Balance. I just looked at the ingredients, and it has "natural and artificial flavors", so it probably has DA as well.

Normally when I cook I use butter or olive oil, and in abundance. Butter tends to make so many things SOOOO good.

I have begun to care less about what someone may say about cholesterol levels. I am not saying that bad cholesterol levels are not a risk for heart disease, but there are so many factors other than cholesterol. There are people who eat crap, smoke, and drink all their lives live to be almost 100, and there are people who spend their whole lives staying fit and eating properly who die of heart attacks in their 40s. So my stance has become that I'll eat what I eat and I'll die when I die. I'll try to be responsible with it, but when I die it's not going to be because I worried too much about my diet.

I also find it interesting how the world of food and drugs has led us to believe that certain things are good for us, just to turn around and tell us that we now need all their medications to save us from the consequences of living the lifestyles that they told us to live. Go figure, eh?
the FDA changes their minds on certain foods each year, such as eggs and coffee. Eggs are good for you...now they're not...now they are.
 
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Remember a few years back - coffee was bad for you - so switch to de-caffeinated.

After a while there seemed to be a link between de-caffeinated coffee and gastric cancer so it was

Off the de-caff and back on proper coffee

Whatever it is - you can't win
 
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Anything that says what type of beer this is found in? I ask because a lot of people will assume all beer is the same.

The article just said that in the process of making beer, DA is naturally formed.

I guess beer drinkers might have to switch to a safer wine that does not have DA. Now I said it; now I am in trouble. :)

Peace. Peace. I bring a branch full of grapes. :D

I know a Dominican sister who was an alcoholic. She only had one or two drinks per night from the sacristy wine, nothing more, so no one suspected her addiction. They just thought that the priest was dipping in. Unfortunately, the constant consumption destroyed her brain cells. I forgot the name of the terminal disease, but she ended up in a home where she did not know her name, could not dress or care for herself, but constantly drummed her fingers on a table top.

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The article just said that in the process of making beer, DA is naturally formed.

I guess beer drinkers might have to switch to a safer wine that does not have DA. Now I said it; now I am in trouble. :)

Peace. Peace. I bring a branch full of grapes. :D

Im a brewer, not gonna happen. Although I do love wine. Spain makes the best reds, sorry Greece. (now Im in trouble)

I know a Dominican sister who was an alcoholic. She only had one or two drinks per night from the sacristy wine, nothing more, so no one suspected her addiction. They just thought that the priest was dipping in. Unfortunately, the constant consumption destroyed her brain cells. I forgot the name of the terminal disease, but she ended up in a home where she did not know her name, could not dress or care for herself, but constantly drummed her fingers on a table top.

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Thats terrible.
 
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The article just said that in the process of making beer, DA is naturally formed.

I guess beer drinkers might have to switch to a safer wine that does not have DA. Now I said it; now I am in trouble. :)

Peace. Peace. I bring a branch full of grapes. :D

I know a Dominican sister who was an alcoholic. She only had one or two drinks per night from the sacristy wine, nothing more, so no one suspected her addiction. They just thought that the priest was dipping in. Unfortunately, the constant consumption destroyed her brain cells. I forgot the name of the terminal disease, but she ended up in a home where she did not know her name, could not dress or care for herself, but constantly drummed her fingers on a table top.

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How did she suffer from that extensive brain damage, but still have a sufficient liver? God rest her soul.
 
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How did she suffer from that extensive brain damage, but still have a sufficient liver? God rest her soul.

She had a fatty liver, but it was her brain that was damaged, and that ultimately killed her. I do not know why some people get this disease and others do not. It must be genetic. Altar wine is good wine, a little stronger, but of great quality.
 
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Research says that DA is product that happens during the beginning of the fermentation process, but then the DA is "cleaned up" by the yeast after initial fermentation and turned into some other chemical I can't pronounce.

Thank God, beer is safe.

Is that newly formed chemical safe?
Remember that DA was generally considered to be safe until this new study came out, and apparently the FDA is turning a deaf ear until other studies can be done.

There are thousands of unproven chemicals on the GRAS list.
 
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Is that newly formed chemical safe?
Remember that DA was generally considered to be safe until this new study came out, and apparently the FDA is turning a deaf ear until other studies can be done.

There are thousands of unproven chemicals on the GRAS list.

Its as safe as wine, since DA is also formed in the wine-making process.
 
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The article said that DA is only formed in certain wines, not all wines.
It is still DA.

Maybe that is why this particular nun got Alzheimer's like symptoms.
Others can drink wine for years without losing their minds.

Thats probably the case with beer as well. If DA is part of yeast action, and not all yeast strains are the same, then I could see where it would only show up sometimes.

But again, its not in the "finished" product of either. Im not worried about it.
 
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