Atheism (3)

Elioenai26 said:

Alright, moving along smoothly...

So we see that God can reveal Himself to us if He so desired, good.

Now, this revealing of Himself could be said to be Him "communicating" to us, would you agree?

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Sure

Dave Ellis said:

Sure

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What is the most commonly used form of communication in the world Mr. Ellis?

Elioenai26 said:

What is the most commonly used form of communication in the world Mr. Ellis?

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Among humans, I'd guess Vocal

Dave Ellis said:

Among humans, I'd guess Vocal

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Language, right? Vocal and written.

Would you agree?

Dave Ellis said:

In the very letter you originally posted by Pliny the Younger, he refers to the Roman Gods.

That must obviously mean they exist too, by your logic.

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what Gods?

Dave Ellis said:

What part are you referring to?

And I notice you haven't given an actual rebuttal... just an argument from popularity fallacy.

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works, right?

Dave Ellis said:

How many times do I have to explain the poisoning the well fallacy to you?

To address your post... No, it's not.

Please refer to any one of my many posts about this particular fallacy to find out why it isn't. I'm getting sick of repeating myself when you throw out fallacy accusations when none exist.

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so your the only one who knows what a fallacy is?

how about an abusive ad hominem?

is that more suitable to your insulting remarks?

gradyll said:

so your the only one who knows what a fallacy is?

how about an abusive ad hominem?

is that more suitable to your insulting remarks?

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I see exasperated comments, due to a merry-go-round argument; not insulting remarks. It is difficult to participate in a debate in which one person uses vacuous pedantry as a way of communicating.

Dave Ellis said:

Yes, however if the Jesus story is true, that means he was identified at birth as the messiah by the three wise men.

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If it is true!
Of course, the dates for the birth of Zarathustra (Zoroaster) range between 1800 to 600 BCE, and three magi attended his birth, bringing gifts also. What's more, a wicked king, having heard the magi foretell that Zarathustra would be mightier than the king, tried to have him killed.

All this was BCE mind you.

Elioenai26 said:

Language, right? Vocal and written.

Would you agree?

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Sure

gradyll said:

what Gods?

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Presumably all of them.

gradyll said:

works, right?

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An argument from popularity fallacy works?

No... it doesn't. That's why it's a fallacy.

gradyll said:

so your the only one who knows what a fallacy is?

how about an abusive ad hominem?

is that more suitable to your insulting remarks?

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I'm not the only one who knows what a fallacy is. All I stated is that you commonly mislabel things as fallacies, that aren't.

I have explained in detail to you in previous threads what these fallacies are, and yet you still mislabel them.

It's not an abusive ad hominem either... it's a statement of fact.

Gracchus said:

If it is true!
Of course, the dates for the birth of Zarathustra (Zoroaster) range between 1800 to 600 BCE, and three magi attended his birth, bringing gifts also. What's more, a wicked king, having heard the magi foretell that Zarathustra would be mightier than the king, tried to have him killed.

All this was BCE mind you.

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No question, I don't believe the Jesus story is true. I was arguing from within the framework of the myth to point out the silliness of it.

Dave Ellis said:

No question, I don't believe the Jesus story is true. I was arguing from within the framework of the myth to point out the silliness of it.

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My point was that the story of the three magi attending the birth of a prophet/hero predated Jesus. So, it is not just silly, its plagiarized!

Gracchus said:

My point was that the story of the three magi attending the birth of a prophet/hero predated Jesus. So, it is not just silly, its plagiarized!

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That's not the only thing that's been plagiarized in the Bible and Christian Religion

Dave Ellis said:

That's not the only thing that's been plagiarized in the Bible and Christian Religion

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When ‘Omer smote ‘is bloomin’ lyre

When ‘Omer smote ‘is bloomin’ lyre,
He’d ‘eard men sing by land an’ sea;
An’ what he thought ‘e might require,
‘E went an’ took – the same as me!


The market-girls an’ fishermen,
The shepherds an’ the sailors, too,
They ‘eard old songs turn up again,
But kep’ it quiet – same as you!


They knew ‘e stole; ‘e knew they knowed.
They didn’t tell, nor make a fuss,
But winked at ‘Omer down the road,
An’ ‘e winked back – the same as us!'

-- Rudyard Kipling

Of course it is one thing to plagiarize a bit of fiction. It is something else to try and pass it off as true, and base social policy on it.

Dave Ellis said:

You're saying there are no historical writings that talk of Gods that other cultures worshiped?

You're serious?

You must be trolling.... you can't honestly be arguing points like this, it's simply flat out laughably wrong.

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abusive ad hominem,

all you need to say is....

it's wrong.

not "laughably wrong"

abusive ad hominem.

Dave Ellis said:

An argument from popularity fallacy works?

No... it doesn't. That's why it's a fallacy.

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then know that saying something is "laughably wrong" is an abusive ad hominem!

Dave Ellis said:

Presumably all of them.

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I asked you what God's were quoted in pliny's works, I didn't see any.