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Knock yourself out.

Thank you!

I had never heard of arXiv.org. I think it an excellent idea!

From the summaries, those are five fairly interesting articles in astrophysics, a subject that I am barely familiar with. Still, I will spend some time with them.

So, why would you say that your publications had been ignored?

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Perhaps for the same reason Erich Von Daniken was ignored by the scientific community! ^_^
I don't think so. Follow the link, and read the papers, or at least the summaries.

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Thank you!

I had never heard of arXiv.org. I think it an excellent idea!

From the summaries, those are five fairly interesting articles in astrophysics, a subject that I am barely familiar with. Still, I will spend some time with them.

So, why would you say that your publications had been ignored?

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Well, you're probably right in asking that question because it's unlikely they've actually had the luxury of ignoring them. :) I've been rather "active" on the internet actually. :)

The problem IMO is that the mainstream has an irrational aversion to all things "electrical" in space. Anything and everything related to electrical discharges in plasma are chalked up to the effect of "black holes" or 'magnetic reconnection' or anything and everything might preclude them from embracing the concepts of currents in space.

When I first started debating some of these ideas in cyberspace, like mass separated suns, I expected to take some heat on that issue, and I expected to have to defend that idea. What I did not anticipate was their irrational aversion to the concept of electrical discharges in solar flares and in solar filamentary processes. That literally "shocked me". :)

http://phys.org/news/2012-07-unexpectedly-motions-sun-surface.html

Now that convection processes have been shown to be only 1 percent of "predictions", you'd think they'd be all over a "mass separated" solar model, and a Birkeland cathode solar model, but alas, they don't really know what to say right now.

http://magic.mppmu.mpg.de/physics/recent/Crab-Pulsar/

Note that in the last few years, pulsars (rapidly spinning neutron stars) have also been shown to kick out photons that have 100 times more energy than mainstream theory about neutron stars allows for. You'd think they'd be all over some of those papers by Manuel that explain how and why neutron stars can become larger than they believe, and they can emit higher energy signatures than they believe. Not so much. They've said little or nothing about their failed predictions related to neutron stars.

You'd also think that plasma redshift being observed in the lab would be a "big deal' to them. If they are looking to falsify their beliefs related to expansion, that should do the trick. Not so much. Again, I see lots of resistance to the idea of even reconsidering their subjective redshift interpretation. If that last paper on the one high energy photon seen by Fermi is any indication, they are almost "desperate" to sweep their expansion interpretation of redshift problems under the run. I can't believe how many of them hung their professional reputations on a single high energy photon, a wing, and a prayer, in terms of "guessing" when that one photon might have been emitted. Wow! I smell palpable fear in that paper. That was one of the sloppiest papers I've ever read, and many of them signed it. :( Again, I see no real interest in them doing a lot of 'honest soul searching' related to their beliefs. Every single 'problem' they encounter, they immediately try to sweep under the carpet. About all I can say is that the mainstream shows little or no interest in "change", and little or no interest in falsifying any of their current beliefs. I don't really think it's 'personal', it's just that they have a vested interest in protecting their current belief systems.
 
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Alright, let's pick apart Krauss's statements of faith. Just for debate sake, we'll assume inflation and the Higg's field did it, just as he suggests.

How the Higgs Boson Posits a New Story of our Creation - Newsweek and The Daily Beast

This idea is at the heart of one of the boldest predictions of cosmology, called inflation. This posits that a similar type of background field was established in the earliest moments of the big bang, causing a microscopic region to expand by more than 85 orders of magnitude in a fraction of a second, after which the energy contained in otherwise empty space was converted into all the matter and radiation we see today! Alan Guth, the originator of the theory, called it “the ultimate free lunch.”
What 'free lunch'? According to Guth and Krauss, not only did the Higgs field already exist, and provide energy to the "near singularity", the inflation field "did it" in terms of expansion. Whatever "energy" exists in the universe today existed as either Higgs field energy (God particle energy) or as inflation energy. There was no "free lunch", and no violation of first law of thermodynamics even if everything unfolded as they claim. All energy existed prior to the bang, and it all predated the "bang". No new energy was created or destroyed in a bang event, energy simply transformed itself from Higg's fields and inflation fields into atoms. Krauss's very first claim about a "free lunch" is a bunch of bogus nonsense!

If these bold, some would say arrogant, notions
More like "ignorant notions" if you ask me. It seems rather ignorant to ignore the preexisting energy in the God particle field and the inflation field. No 'free lunch' can occur in physics. What a dumb thing to claim.

derive support from the remarkable results at the Large Hadron Collider, they may reinforce two potentially uncomfortable possibilities: first, that many features of our universe, including our existence, may be accidental consequences of conditions associated with the universe’s birth;
What "accident"? Again, he simply 'assumed' that it was "accidental", whereas no theistic astronomer makes such a claim. He's just spewing his own strong atheistic rhetoric again.

and second, that creating “stuff” from “no stuff” seems to be no problem at all—
Pfft. If it was "no problem at all", why hasn't Krauss duplicated that process in lab yet? The concept of 'no problem' is nothing but a "statement of faith' on his part. We can't even really 'create' whole atoms from other forms of energy yet, and he's running around claiming it's "no problem" to create them from nothing but a preexisting Higg's field. Again, pure nonsense.

We "found' the Higgs (supposedly) by slamming preexisting forms of matter together. That's like slamming two cars together and finding engine components in the wreckage and then claiming: "Aha! It's no problem to build cars from 'nothing'. :( His whole argument is based upon a non sequitur fallacy.

everything we see could have emerged as a purposeless quantum burp in space or perhaps a quantum burp of space itself.
Again, this is no more than a 'statement of faith'. God 'could have' simply chosen to use inflation and a preexisting Higg's field to create a universe too. His idea about it being an 'accident' is bogus. He can't know that even *if* the process involves only two forms of preexisting energy.

Humans, with their remarkable tools and their remarkable brains, may have just taken a giant step toward replacing metaphysical speculation with empirically verifiable knowledge. The Higgs particle is now arguably more relevant than God.
Except it's a "God particle field" to start with. ;)

Wow. I've seen really lame arguments used in debate before, but Krauss takes the cake. Not only is his free lunch anything but free, his claims about it being a cosmic accident are nothing more than thinly disguised "statement of faith" from an obviously "strong" atheist. His scientific (free lunch) and belief in cosmic accidents (religion) are certainly questionable. I really fail to see why any of you hold him up as some sort of scientific "hero". What free lunch? What accident?
 
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FYI, in case any of you are actually interested.....

Guth simply "confused" himself about the nature of a 'vacuum', and the concept of a "free lunch". Guth's magic inflation trick started when he claimed that the 'pressure' of the vacuum was "negative". That's physically impossible. The absolute lower pressure limit of a vacuum is zero, not negative infinity. That error confused the hell out of him too over the 'free lunch' concept. From his perspective the "negative pressure" did all the work. He simply failed to account for that energy.
 
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FYI, in case any of you are actually interested.....

Guth simply "confused" himself about the nature of a 'vacuum', and the concept of a "free lunch". Guth's magic inflation trick started when he claimed that the 'pressure' of the vacuum was "negative". That's physically impossible. The absolute lower pressure limit of a vacuum is zero, not negative infinity. That error confused the hell out of him too over the 'free lunch' concept. From his perspective the "negative pressure" did all the work. He simply failed to account for that energy.
Before I accept the cracked pot rantings of an unpublished internets scientist over the established knowledge of leading Ph.D.'s, I need to know what your qualifications, education level, and to what capcitity you work in science?
 
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Before I accept the cracked pot rantings of an unpublished internets scientist over the established knowledge of leading Ph.D.'s, I need to know what your qualifications, education level, and to what capcitity you work in science?

Right. Since you don't want to embrace the first law of thermodynamics, label the bearer of bad news a "crackpot", and go for the appeal to authority fallacy immediately. Wow. How pathetically predictable.

I even pointed out to you that every Higgs that now exists has always been in existence, even prior to the bang, and inflation was also an energy source. You don't care.
 
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Right. Since you don't want to embrace the first law of thermodynamics, label the bearer of bad news a "crackpot", and go for the appeal to authority fallacy immediately. Wow. How pathetically predictable.

I even pointed out to you that every Higgs that now exists has always been in existence, even prior to the bang, and inflation was also an energy source. You don't care.
Then why do you think all the leading Ph.D.'s have got it wrong?
 
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Then why do you think all the leading Ph.D.'s have got it wrong?

Who exactly are all the leading Phd's that you're talking about? I only hear a hand full of individuals talking about a "free lunch". Few if any astronomers I've spoken with have ever made that claim actually. In fact Guth and Krauss and one other person who's name escapes me at the moment are the only one's I've *ever* heard call the BB process a "free lunch".

There is no "free lunch" because every Higg's Boson that exists today has always existed and every bit of energy that exists today has always existed according to the laws of physics. Sorry if the messenger's message is offensive to you personally, but I know for a fact that you'd do not speak for the consensus of all Phd's with that claim. Like I said, I only know of a handful of individuals that have *ever* made that claim.
 
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Right. Since you don't want to embrace the first law of thermodynamics, label the bearer of bad news a "crackpot", and go for the appeal to authority fallacy immediately. Wow. How pathetically predictable.

I even pointed out to you that every Higgs that now exists has always been in existence, even prior to the bang, and inflation was also an energy source. You don't care.
So I take it that you are not an authority on the subject. I thought as much. No peer reviewed papers. No qualifications; Yet you dismiss the work of the world's scientists who actually do the work and undergo peer review of their work only for you to come and wave it all away. Gotcha. Wow talking snakes really leave a lasting impression on some people.

You are doing your best to discredit the work of hundreds of thousands of scientists just to impose your creationist beliefs disguised as science! Dear me! :doh:
 
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So I take it that you are not an authority on the subject.

So I take it that's an appeal to authority fallacy you're playing out in your head? Can you even cite a published study that demonstrates that most "experts" on the topic of inflation consider the BB event to be a "free lunch"?

I thought as much. No peer reviewed papers.

Excuse me?
http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/984500/files/0609509.pdf

No qualifications;

What qualifications do you need to debunk a "made up" form of energy that traces back to one guy's overactive imagination anyway? What makes you an "expert" on the topic of God anyway?

Yet you dismiss the work of the world's scientists who actually do the work and undergo peer review of their work only for you to come and wave it all away. Gotcha.

When you can show me that there is actually a consensus among your experts that the BB was a "free lunch", you can make that claim. As it stands, you're making up facts and figures and speaking for a consensus that doesn't even exist. Gotcha.

Wow talking snakes really leave a lasting impression on some people.

Ya, apparently you more than most. :(

You are doing your best to discredit the work of hundreds of thousands of scientists just to impose your creationist beliefs disguised as science! Dear me! :doh:

What kind of nonsense are you peddling anyway? My beliefs don't even necessarily involve a "creation event" of any sort. I'm not trying to get something from nothing. The mainstream is the side peddling the 'creation mythos', not me. In terms of the "free lunch" claim I'm only discrediting a handful of scientists because only a handful of them have ever publicly stated such nonsense.
 
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So I take it that you are not an authority on the subject.

So I take it that's an appeal to authority fallacy you're playing out in your head? Can you even cite a published study that demonstrates that most "experts" on the topic of inflation consider the BB event to be a "free lunch"?

I thought as much. No peer reviewed papers.
Excuse me?
http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/984500/files/0609509.pdf
Online versions of scientific journals
http://www.maik.ru/cgi-perl/journal.pl?lang=eng&name=nuclphys&page=board

No qualifications;
What qualifications do you need to debunk a "made up" form of energy that traces back to one guy's overactive imagination anyway? What makes you an "expert" on the topic of God anyway?

Yet you dismiss the work of the world's scientists who actually do the work and undergo peer review of their work only for you to come and wave it all away. Gotcha.
When you can show me that there is actually a consensus among your experts that the BB was a "free lunch", you can make that claim. As it stands, you're making up facts and figures and speaking for a consensus that doesn't even exist. Gotcha.

Wow talking snakes really leave a lasting impression on some people.
Ya, apparently you more than most. :(

You are doing your best to discredit the work of hundreds of thousands of scientists just to impose your creationist beliefs disguised as science! Dear me! :doh:
What kind of nonsense are you peddling anyway? My beliefs don't even necessarily involve a "creation event" of any sort. I'm not trying to get something from nothing. The mainstream is the side peddling the 'creation mythos', not me. In terms of the "free lunch" claim I'm only discrediting a handful of scientists because only a handful of them have ever publicly stated such nonsense.
 
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Who exactly are all the leading Phd's that you're talking about? I only hear a hand full of individuals talking about a "free lunch". Few if any astronomers I've spoken with have ever made that claim actually. In fact Guth and Krauss and one other person who's name escapes me at the moment are the only one's I've *ever* heard call the BB process a "free lunch".

There is no "free lunch" because every Higg's Boson that exists today has always existed and every bit of energy that exists today has always existed according to the laws of physics. Sorry if the messenger's message is offensive to you personally, but I know for a fact that you'd do not speak for the consensus of all Phd's with that claim. Like I said, I only know of a handful of individuals that have *ever* made that claim.
Are you aware of any other leading Ph.D's in theoretical physics who publicly oppose Krauss?

AFAIK, appealing to authority is not a fallacy if they're right.
 
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What kind of nonsense are you peddling anyway? My beliefs don't even necessarily involve a "creation event" of any sort. I'm not trying to get something from nothing. The mainstream is the side peddling the 'creation mythos', not me. In terms of the "free lunch" claim I'm only discrediting a handful of scientists because only a handful of them have ever publicly stated such nonsense.
So according to you the universe always existed and never came into being :confused: If you had any scientific erudition you would know that something and nothing are not meaningful concepts in Quantum physics. Why are you avoiding to give us your credentials?

SST :confused: Dear me :doh:
 
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Are you aware of any other leading Ph.D's in theoretical physics who publicly oppose Krauss?

AFAIK, appealing to authority is not a fallacy if they're right.

Since when was it *my* responsibility to demonstrate *your* claims? If they're wrong, it is still a fallacy. :)
 
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So according to you the universe always existed and never came into being :confused:

Based on the fact that plasma redshift has been observed in a lab, I simply have no evidence it is actually expanding or that it has any particular "age".

If you had any scientific erudition you would know that something and nothing are not meaningful concepts in Quantum physics.

If you understood QM concepts correctly, you'd understand that some amount of energy permeates every single "vacuum" we could ever create.

Why are you avoiding to give us your credentials?

My personal credentials are not relevant to the fact that Guth violated the first law of thermodynamics. There is no "free lunch' in physics because energy cannot be created or destroyed. It can only change "forms".
 
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Based on the fact that plasma redshift has been observed in a lab, I simply have no evidence it is actually expanding or that it has any particular "age".



If you understood QM concepts correctly, you'd understand that some amount of energy permeates every single "vacuum" we could ever create.



My personal credentials are not relevant to the fact that Guth violated the first law of thermodynamics. There is no "free lunch' in physics because energy cannot be created or destroyed. It can only change "forms".
I will nominate you for the Nobel in cosmology! You are the only person who has falsified the Big Bang Theory. What a shame that governments still fund FAILED institutions such as CERN, NASA, ESA, etc. They should be closed! We must revert back to the SST where talking snakes and flat planets reside! :doh:
 
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I will nominate you for the Nobel in cosmology!

Well, I could certainly use the money. ;) Assuming I'm right about a mass separated cathode sun, and my interpretation of solar satellite imagery, maybe I deserve one for solar physics. :) Cosmology theory isn't really my specialty actually.

You are the only person who has falsified the Big Bang Theory.
Technically Chen did that when he observed plasma redshift in the lab. Besides, the mainstream is also doing a pretty good job destroying their own arguments in recent years:

http://phys.org/news/2012-07-earliest-spiral-galaxy-discovery.html

I only falsified the 'free lunch' nonsense using standard *laws* of physics. I even pointed out that every Higgs that exists today predated the event in question, and energy was simply converted into matter. There was no 'free lunch'. That's the only thing that *I* personally can falsify for you.

What a shame that governments still fund FAILED institutions such as CERN, NASA, ESA, etc. They should be closed! We must revert back to the SST where talking snakes and flat planets reside! :doh:
Er, no. It's a terrible pity that these organizations squander their limited resources on ridiculous nonsense, don't get me wrong. Even still, they build excellent hardware and they have a great track record in terms of putting men and materials in space and assembling awesome hardware. Astronomers just suck at 'interpretation' of data, particularly redshift data. Oh well. Compared to the money that my government has wasted on war and other things, the tax money they spend on science is the east of my complaints actually.
 
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(This thread is not for a regular old rehash of Creation v Evolution. I simply want to know where evolutionists believe it all started at.)



In Christ, GB

I believe you may find this thread regarding the theories of Dr. Chaim Henry Tejman rather encouraging.

To summarize I believe that intelligence developed first in fundamental energy an eternity ago. An infinite number of Big Bang events were planned and choreographed and eventually....Adam and Eve were created in the general image of our Creator!

I take the scriptures regarding in the image of God a little more seriously than usual in that just as human life begins as a blob of matter/ova and a blob of matter spermatozoa so also an eternity our Creator would probably have a less human appearance!??!!


http://www.christianforums.com/t7697233/
I have nominated Dr. Chaim Tejman for the one million dollar origin of life prize.
 
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"I agree that all science must be banned! We must stop squandering precious money on research. All that man needs to know is in the Bible. Everything else is Satan's work and must be banished".

Happy now Michael?

Er, no. You don't hear me complaining about electrical engineering and plasma physics research do you? FYI, the term "satan" comes from the root word "adversary". It essentially describes the human "ego" when it sees itself (thinks of itself) as being "separate from/independent of" God. It's not a disembodied entity.
 
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