Global Warming

Should we do something about global warming?

  • No, global warming is a hoax.

  • We don't know for sure, so don't worry about it.

  • Yawn. Perhaps.

  • Yes, this is serious.


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doubtingmerle

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Why freak yourself out over something you can not control. If it were so easy to change billions of minds than there would no longer be abortions, war, or people who smoke ext. Unfortunately out world is very selfish now. We have all become spoiled. Speaking for myself as well. That is why we must pray for change. In my opinion it is only getting worse everywhere. So it leads me to believe the end is near. Which is what we need. However I feel it would be sad for our Lord to come, when this world is still in shambles. He deserves a better welcoming than that. But the question is ....how do you change billions of minds?

I agree that we should not freak ourselves out about things that we cannot change.

But it is OK to talk about what should be done (provided, of course, we are not freaking out when we talk.) Although it may be hard to get people to take it seriously now, I think someday that will change as the affects of global warming get worse.

Freaking out about an approaching tornado may be a bad idea. But standing there in the open and watching it overpower us is a worse idea.

Freaking out about global warming is a bad idea. Gathering together to discuss responses is a good idea.
 
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doubtingmerle

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So, If my source is wrong to you, then your source is wrong to me...
OK, but which source is actually right? That is the question we should be asking.

If all weather forecasters say a major hurricane is taking direct aim at your location on the beach, and some other source says not to worry, for his crystal ball says all will be well, is it OK to pick one's own source of truth? Or should one find our which source is correct and go with that?

How do you know your source told the truth?


Tell me, if the temps have been stable over the time you said, why was there a warming, then a drastic cooling within the last 1000 years?

What warming and drastic cooling are you talking about? The chart in your link--which appears to be a valid, peer-reviewed study--does not show rapid changes in the last 1000 years. Rather it shows gradual swings within a 0.4 deg C range. There are many reasons for these swings, such as volcanoes and Solar Minima.

But all of that is minimal compared to the past 12 deg C swings observed at times during the past 400,000 years leading to ice ages and thaws.

The 0.8 deg C recent rise in a few decades is far worse than anything seen in the previous 1000 years, which had been relatively stable.

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Ah, AGW. The latest version of LCLS, or Liberal Chicken Little Syndrome™; it requires having something to be terrified out of your mind about that will never come to pass. Previous manifestations:

Well I don't know about you, but I'm not terrified out of my mind. :p

I know someone did this before so I'll just say it simply.

1950s---nuclear war.

1960s---overpopulation.

1970s---global pollution.

1980s---ozone depletion.

1990s---deforestation, water shortages.

2000s---global warming/climate change.

All these things were real potential or actual problems, some of which still are problems. Most wouldn't end the world, just cause damage... maybe alot of damage. Global warming isn't even the end of the world. It is just very bad.

Don't fret, kids; ten years from now it'll be something totally different. The doomsayers have predicted the end of the world more times than back issues of The Watchtower, and nothing has happened yet.

But... they were and are real.

When in danger or in doubt
Run in circles, scream and shout.
;)

Or do something about it like most people say.

To terrorize the world, make some of the countries tow the line while others don't....

Well it is easier for developed countries to make changes, if that is what you mean.

well, from what I have read and investigated, it's a political ploy.

That is just factually wrong. Do you believe 9/11 was a conspiracy, because both are just conspiracy theories. It would be pretty crazy to think all those scientists are lying on purpose even though they know they will be on the wrong side of science history.

Back in the early 1800s countries of the world had a meeting to try and find something to bring the New America under control... and they voted on making the environment an issue... something no one would fear or be against (taking care of it.)

I don't know anything about this, but as you said, 1800s.

To take the world's position regarding this isn't trusting God, imo.

You can't just say that. In everything else we try to be prudent and do the right thing. Like if you try to cross the road, if you don't try to be safe God wont save you. Be it nuclear war or global warming God will let the people die.

To imagine that we haven't taken care of God's creation.... implies, to me, a Deist view. That's ok I guess, just not mine.

No it doesn't. One can be theistic and accept that we haven't been good stewards, or that it is time to change to stay as good stewards.

Think about it in terms of water pollution: If you pump too much pollution into the water it will end up messing things up because you didn't take care.

To imply that we are running out of resources does irk me though, because that means that my Sovereign God failed to count on their being some 14 million people to have lived, like he forgot to make enough. No, there is plenty... it's just that those who wish to control the world won't let all the nations USE what resources they have.

Better to base important decisions on facts rather than your assumptions about God. The assumptions could even be said to be arrogant. God gives us the tools to understand our world, but yet you decide to make up things about what God would and wouldn't do.

It is clear that God might not provide enough resources. People do die in Africa because of lack of food and water. It physically happens all the time. All we need to do is change a bit and we will be ok, but you don't want to because you think God provides for everyone.

I am sorry if I sound harsh, but I believe we should make decisions based on the facts.

For every "global warming" figure, there is at least one "non" global warming. By taking a course in college on statistics I learned full well how stats are manipulated. Include in that manipulation the possibility of a goal of not telling the whole truth, and voila' we have a fearful, Godless world view.

That is rather silly considering what we are talking about. It probably could happen, but it seems unlikely consider great scale of the conspiracy. It couldn't be pulled off like it has been. Republicans say that government isn't very efficient, but if there really is a conspiracy then the government (or at least the left/liberal governments) are the most efficient groups to ever come together on earth. Unlikely.

For instance, while the ice melt on one side of the North / Pole might be less... the ice expanse on the other grew... and in another case, the ice is much deeper than it was before. As for the heat, yes, it's hot all over in the US right now...but we also just had record cold temperatures too...

So we should ask the scientists what this all means. Some random person (both me and you) can't just look at one or two facts and come to come worldwide conclusion.

Anyway, God tells me not to fear, He is in control. I just have to trust Him on this. :hug:

I'm not fearful, but still I do tend to drive with my eyes open, not shut.
 
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To terrorize the world, make some of the countries tow the line while others don't... well, from what I have read and investigated, it's a political ploy.
Terrorizing the world is bad.

Working together to deal with an oncoming danger is good.

Can you see the difference?

Back in the early 1800s countries of the world had a meeting to try and find something to bring the New America under control... and they voted on making the environment an issue... something no one would fear or be against (taking care of it.)
Using the environment to control people is bad.

Working together to deal with an oncoming danger is good.

Can you see the difference?

To take the world's position regarding this isn't trusting God, imo. I recall when we were terrorized (modern term for it) about the coming ICE AGE. I doubt they meant the movie sequels. ;)
Oh puhleeze. Do you have any evidence of a consensus of scientists terrorizing people about an ice age?

For every "global warming" figure, there is at least one "non" global warming. By taking a course in college on statistics I learned full well how stats are manipulated. Include in that manipulation the possibility of a goal of not telling the whole truth, and voila' we have a fearful, Godless world view.
And did that course tell you that all statistics are manipulated and wrong?

Some statistics are manipulated to be wrong, some are not. Do you know how we tell the difference?

Do you have any reason to believe that the evidence scientists have given for global warming is wrong?

For instance, while the ice melt on one side of the North / Pole might be less... the ice expanse on the other grew... and in another case, the ice is much deeper than it was before.

Global warming causes increases in snowfall (due to increased moisture in the atmosphere) and increased melting of the icecaps. This can either cause the ice caps to grow or shrink.

As for the heat, yes, it's hot all over in the US right now...but we also just had record cold temperatures too...
And yet 2011 was tied for the hottest year on record, and 2012 is on a pace to be the hottest.

But yes, some winter days are still cold.

Anyway, God tells me not to fear, He is in control. I just have to trust Him on this. :hug:

And so it does not matter how many pollutants we dump into the world?

And is OK with you if everybody dumps their toxic wastes near your house? For if pollution does not matter, and you just trust God to make it right no matter how much CO2 we dump into the atmosphere, do you say the same about nuclear wastes in your backyard?
 
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It is clear that God might not provide enough resources. People do die in Africa because of lack of food and water. It physically happens all the time.
Good point. God does not always provide all that every person needs. So one cannot simply ignore the problems and assume God will take care of it.
 
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"This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal."

Any evidence for this? Or is this something you made up?
 
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I voted it as a hoax because I agree, my real answer is what he said :)

To terrorize the world, make some of the countries tow the line while others don't... well, from what I have read and investigated, it's a political ploy.
This, specifically, has always irked me. In your reading on a scientific matter, why would you not read scientific research? I've read more than a couple people's fair share of scientific research and I can say with some confidence that it's pretty tough to argue that the research itself bears out any kind of "political ploy" though I would CERTAINLY AGREE that we may bring our own politics to our reading of the research.
So perhaps you're reading commentaries on the debate; perhaps you are reading memoirs, commentaries or editorials. But you do not appear to be informing yourself with the hard data and research that almost always contradicts your opinion.


Back in the early 1800s countries of the world had a meeting to try and find something to bring the New America under control... and they voted on making the environment an issue... something no one would fear or be against (taking care of it.)
Pray, where did you read about such quackery? I see not one specific piece of information there (time, location, participants, topic, issue, motivation). How could this possibly be proven, supported OR refuted?

To take the world's position regarding this isn't trusting God, imo. I recall when we were terrorized (modern term for it) about the coming ICE AGE. I doubt they meant the movie sequels.
PLEASE don't make this a "God vs. the World" issue. Slapping some sunscreen on before you go outside is not a heretical stance affronting God. It's a way we honour our bodies by taking care of them.
We look both ways before crossing a street? HOW DARE YOU!!! You should be trusting God!!!
By suggesting that maybe the pollutants we put into the air, land and water is dishonouring our bodies AND creation, is not a lack of trust in God. It's a call to treat his creation with the reverence it deserves, not some flippin' waste basket for everything not good enough for us.

To imagine that we haven't taken care of God's creation.... implies, to me, a Deist view.
Really?
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A google image search of the word "pollution" SHOULD suck a reasonable person out of their denial that we have been responsible carers for God's creation. The problem is that north american urban folk have no real connection to the earth to begin with, so the idea that there lifestyle is impacting the planet is absurd.

That's ok I guess, just not mine. To imply that we are running out of resources does irk me though, because that means that my Sovereign God failed to count on their being some 14 million people to have lived, like he forgot to make enough. No, there is plenty... it's just that those who wish to control the world won't let all the nations USE what resources they have.
So rich people, like EVERYONE POSTING ON THIS FORUM, doesn't want to share our perverse blessings with poor Africans and Far EAsterners. I suppose that does sound right (but I'm a little suspicious that is not your true message?)

For every "global warming" figure, there is at least one "non" global warming. By taking a course in college on statistics I learned full well how stats are manipulated. Include in that manipulation the possibility of a goal of not telling the whole truth, and voila' we have a fearful, Godless world view.
Taking a course in college on a particular topic does NOT make you an expert on it. I've taken numerous science courses for my B.Sc but I would NOT consider myself a climatologist, geneticist, or ecologist. You taking a statistics course, would not make you a statistician.
Also, simply staying "I know how stats are manipulated" is virtually meaningless in a discussion on the validity of scientific data unless you could provide a sentient example of such a thing.

For instance, while the ice melt on one side of the North / Pole might be less... the ice expanse on the other grew... and in another case, the ice is much deeper than it was before. As for the heat, yes, it's hot all over in the US right now...but we also just had record cold temperatures too...
Exaggerated weather trends is a LOOOOOONG assumed byproduct of climate change. A basic understanding of the theory should integrate that in an explanation.

Anyway, God tells me not to fear, He is in control. I just have to trust Him on this.
If you poop in your bed, you don't need guidance from God to clean it up. As humans we have the intelligence to know that we should not drink cleaning products or use old paint water to wash our children. We recognize that there are things are dangerous for us. We do not need God's divine providence to rescue us from these things. God gave us brains to use. Why not use them and recognize that there are things that, hey, WE could do to make this world better! God watches over us but I'm pretty sure he takes some joy in us being thoughtful, intelligent stewards of this world and the common sense capacities of our brains.
 
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So, If my source is wrong to you, then your source is wrong to me.

All sources are not created equal.

Can you explain why you chose your source instead of mine?

Can you understand why many of us, when faced with an issue of science, prefer to go to sources based on peer-reviewed science, rather than a source consisting of untested assertions on the Internet?
 
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Wow.
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I wish it was shocking that you had to say that. People will abandon all intellectual discrimination to preserve their ideological commitments.
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You mean Al Gore is NOT an authority on GW?????
 
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All sources are not created equal.

Can you explain why you chose your source instead of mine?

Can you understand why many of us, when faced with an issue of science, prefer to go to sources based on peer-reviewed science, rather than a source consisting of untested assertions on the Internet?

I agree with this. The sources against global warming tend to have very little hard science but tend to be choc-a-bloc in unverified assertions by people who are not experts in their field at all.
 
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The Lord made a promise to us all, with the rainbow! We will never again have a great flood! If you were right, than that would be calling God wrong...wouldn't it?
Say What???
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No one is suggesting the global warming will cover the whole earth in water with only a few select survivors. The "Great Flood" is not relevant to warming.
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You mean Al Gore is NOT an authority on GW?????

Uh no, Al Gore is not a scientist. When I want to know about science, I turn to scientists. And I turn to scientists, not to find an authority who will tell me what to believe, but to find out what facts have survived the test of science.

Can you tell me why you reject global warming? The leading scientific organizations that speaks for mainstream science warn of the dangers of manmade global warming. And yet you stand in opposition to all that science. Why? How do you know that all those scientists are wrong, and you are right?

The quote above hints that this may about politics to you. It appears you are on that political team that denies manmade global warming. And it appears that your reason for denying manmade global warming is because that is what the political leaders on your team say. Is that why you deny it?

Please understand that in the scientific world it is not the politicians who decide what scientific facts are true. Facts should be determined by the process of science in which people who understand the relevant claims examine them to see what survives scientific scrutiny.

If Al Gore was running around saying manmade global warming is a myth, and if Rush Limbaugh was ranting about the dangers of manmade global warming, I would then side with Rush Limbaugh. What side would you be on if Al Gore and friends had switched sides with Rush Limbaugh and friends on this issue?
 
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Global warming is biblical

2 Peter 3:7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.
 
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Global warming is biblical

2 Peter 3:7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

Reserved for great heat? We are certainly headed toward more intense global warming, but we don't have a reserved seat. We, the world's people, are welcome to route the train of human destiny in a different direction if we so choose.
 
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Reserved for great heat? We are certainly headed toward more intense global warming, but we don't have a reserved seat. We, the world's people, are welcome to route the train of human destiny in a different direction if we so choose.

Yeah, but the crowd that elected Obama seems to be running the train up a dirt road. But hey, restricting Big Gulps to 16 oz. has to bring in a utopia... eventually.

We can not route our own lives well as individuals and collectively we are to be better?

God intervened before by water, He will in the future by fire. Better repent.
 
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