Does God always heal?

You know I believe God has nothing to do with sickness and always wants help, heal anything good. Yet there can be SO many things in our lives that can stop God. Not wanting to forgive is just one. I don't get stuck on gifts, I believe in them all but we all know the best is JESUS.

am I the only one who remembers Job?

Originally posted by Br. Max
am I the only one who remembers Job?

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No Bro Max, you are not the only one who remembers Job.  We, and me personally has expounded on the issue of Job so many times, I really don't care to go over it again.

Job was rich and health and became poor and sick, but got over it when he repented. Then, he had more than what he started out with.  AND That's the end of the story.

Hey,

I'm throwing some humor into the middle of this discussion: it's on the subject.  



Cowboy Poetry

Jake, the rancher went one day, to fix a distant fence.
The wind was cold and gusty; the clouds rolled gray and dense.

As he pounded the last staples in and gathered tools to go,
The temperature had fallen; the wind and snow began to blow.

When he finally reached his pickup, he felt a heavy heart.
From the sound of that ignition, he knew it wouldn't start.

So Jake did what most of us would do, had we been there.
He humbly bowed his balding head and sent aloft a prayer.

As he turned the key for one last time, he softly cursed his luck.
They found him three days later, frozen stiff in that old truck.

Now Jake had been around in life and done his share of roaming.
But when he saw Heaven, he was shocked - it looked just like Wyoming!

Of all the saints in Heaven, his favorite was St. Peter.
(Now, this line ain't needed but it helps with rhyme and meter)

So they sat and talked a minute or two, or maybe it was three.
Nobody was keeping score -- in Heaven time is free.

"I've always heard," Jake said to Pete, "that God will answer prayer,
But one time I asked for help, well, he just plain wasn't there."

"Does God answer prayers of some, and ignore the prayers of others?
That don't seem exactly square -- I know all men are brothers."

"Or does he randomly reply, without good rhyme or reason?
Maybe, it's the time of day, the weather or the season."

"Now I ain't trying to act smart, it's just the way I feel.
And I was wondering, could you tell me -- what the heck's the deal?!"

Peter listened very patiently and when Jake was done,
There were smiles of recognition, and he said, "So, you're the one!!"

"That day your truck, it wouldn't start, and you sent your prayer a flying,
You gave us all a real bad time, with hundreds of us all trying."

"A thousand angels rushed, to check the status of your file,
But you know, Jake, we hadn't heard from you, in quite a long while."

"And though all prayers are answered, and God ain't got no quota,
He didn't recognize your voice, and started a truck in Minnesota."

One time I had a really bad headache... I layed down and I kept just thinking about God, about the awesome love of God... I tried to imagine me in His arms because I know from past experience that when I have been 'near' Him I have felt tremendous... wonderful... free... and anyway that one time as I lay there doing that.... my headache disappeared instantly... and it was a real bad one I had had it a couple days maybe... a migraine...

kind of after that, even though the Holy Spirit is here now and then i'll still get a headache, not often but it happens... maybe it's something i do I don't know... but I always remember that, ... get me into HIS real full presence and pain ceases.... the love maybe... you have to call out in love least I do...

whao - got over it when he repented? dude - Job had nothing to repent of. God allowed Job to be sick to test him and see if he would still praise him even when things go to crud. I HATE when people give teh devil glory by saying sickness if from the devil. Lets not forget that the devil cannot do to you anything except God allows him to do it.

Originally posted by Br. Max
whao - got over it when he repented? dude - Job had nothing to repent of. God allowed Job to be sick to test him and see if he would still praise him even when things go to crud. I HATE when people give teh devil glory by saying sickness if from the devil. Lets not forget that the devil cannot do to you anything except God allows him to do it.

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I would agree with that... ...

Originally posted by Br. Max
whao - got over it when he repented? dude - Job had nothing to repent of. God allowed Job to be sick to test him and see if he would still praise him even when things go to crud. I HATE when people give teh devil glory by saying sickness if from the devil. Lets not forget that the devil cannot do to you anything except God allows him to do it.

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God does not agree.  Chapters 38 -41.  And neither does Job in Chapter 42:3-6

Originally posted by Quaffer
God does not agree.  Chapters 38 -41.  And neither does Job in Chapter 42:3-6

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Well I'm not really sure how you are reading those passages, beacuse i don't see they support satan as having anything that God did not first give him...

As a big for instance and staying with Job, it was God himself who allowed satan to test Job in the very first place:

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Job 1:12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.
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And likewise, when God decided satan should be finished, satan was finished, not vice versa.

evee: You may wish to reread the book then. GOD is bragging on Job to the devil. Job is told by his "friends" that the reason why he is being inflicted was because of his sin. Job remined faithful and praided God all through his trials and because of that, in the end, God returned to Job everything the deivl took from him plus more.

I HATE when people give teh devil glory by saying sickness if from the devil. Lets not forget that the devil cannot do to you anything except God allows him to do it.

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if sickness is not from the devil -- directly or indirectly -- who do you think it comes from, the Father of Lights and good gifts? Thy will be done on earth AS IT IS in heaven. If sickness comes from God, heaven must be full of sick folks! *LOL

I HATE IT when people give the "glory" of sickness to God instead of the devil. oh please! The devil comes to steal kill and destroy! which part of that do they not understnd????

The devil has no power which God has not allowed him to have. Otherwise, the devil would be a god.

You need to rethink what healing is..think outside of the "box". Sometimes healing is going home to see God...As the song goes..."IN the ulimate healing we will be home free."

Otherwise, the devil would be a god.

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but he is...

2Co 4:4 -- In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

1 John 5:19
We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.

Yes Death is the ultimate healing

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Goodness gracious! God gives the sick person His enemy as his healing? Someting that is God's enemy and that God wants to destroy is supposed to be our gift of healing??? That's ridiculously sick!

1 Corinthians 15:26
The last enemy to be destroyed is death.

Ya still think that God wants some of his children sick to teach them some lesson like faith or patience? then consider these carefully:

* Faith is a grace gift from God (Ephesians 2:8). We can't "earn" it by going through sicknesses and sufferings. Faith comes by hearing repeatedly the words of Christ (Romans 10:17), not by being more and more sick.

* Faithfulness, long-suffering and patience are fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22), not fruit of our sufferings and illnesses. The more we walk in the Spirit and in the revelation of God's Word -- not in sickness -- the more fruit we bear.

* If sickness is a lesson from God, then the Christian who has been sick for many years is obviously a slow learner. And instead of praying for his healing, we should be telling him: "Better buck-up bro, or you're not gonna make it!"

* And if the sick Christian dies eventually, it would mean that he failed to learn God's lesson. And what lesson was so important that it cost him his health, his savings, his marriage and, eventually, his life? What lesson was so important that it made a child fatherless or a wife without a husband? What lesson was so important that it brought chaos, worry, fear, sorrow and mourning to his loved ones? Does God need to resort to all that?

* Many Christians who argue that it is God's will for them to be sick still see the doctor, rest and take medication, contradicting God's "will" for them. This is because in their heart, they actually long to be healthy. Their spirit is actually crying out for healing, because that is God's truth and will for them.

* Why pray for the sick (Matthew 10:8, Mark 16:18, James 5:14-16)? How do we know we are not contradicting God's will in each case?

* If the temple of God under the Old Covenant was not decrepit, why should His New Covenant temple, which is our bodies (1 Corinthians 3:16,17, 1 Corinthians 6:19, 2 Corinthians 6:16), be weak and sickly?

* 1 Corinthians 3:17 says that "If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are". Now, would God contradict himself by putting leprosy on you? Or a cancer that eats away your internal organs?

* If Christ is the head of the body of the church, which is us (Ephesians 1:22, Ephesians 5:23, Colossians 1:18), why would He want His "arms" and "legs" or us to be diseased and ineffective?

* Jesus said that "he that hath seen me hath seen the Father" (John 14:9-11). If we want to know what God is like, we look at Jesus. Jesus never gave sickness or death to anyone. Of the 35 miracles He performed, 23 (or two-thirds) were healings and three, raising the dead. So, if God chastens with sicknesses and deaths, why is this facet of God not reflected in Jesus' earthly ministry? Did Jesus miss out something?

* Christians are always talking about "following" Jesus or being like Him. Well, Jesus went about healing the sick (Matthew 4:23, Matthew 9:35, Acts 10:38). So, Christians ought to be out there healing the sick. But how can they have the faith to do that if they also believe that God authors sickness? There will be confusion.

* 1 John 4:17 says that "as he is [now], so are we in this world [this life]". Today, our glorified Lord is sitting at the right hand of the Father -- without sickness. So, why would God contradict His own Word by making many of us sick? How can "so are we" be true if God wants many of us sick?

* If sickness is sometimes God's will, then when we pray "thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven" (Luke 11:2), we are actually saying that there is a lot of sickness in heaven.

* How can one of the names of God be Jehovah Rapha -- "I am the LORD that healeth thee" (Exodus 15:26) -- if He is also "the Lord who makes you sick"?

* Why would God say in Proverbs 4:22 that His words are "life unto those that find them, and health to all their flesh" if He wanted many of us to be sick? If this were true, then Christians who believe that God is making them sick should not read the Bible.

* How can the Psalmist say this if our Lord: "who...heals all your diseases" (Psalm 103:3) if God does not want to heal some of our sicknesses?

if you're stumped, just answer the last one!

Originally posted by Br. Max
evee: You may wish to reread the book then. GOD is bragging on Job to the devil. Job is told by his "friends" that the reason why he is being inflicted was because of his sin. Job remined faithful and praided God all through his trials and because of that, in the end, God returned to Job everything the deivl took from him plus more.

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Through the years we've been told that God is bragging but actually, I believe He's merely pointing out that the hedge that was around Job is no longer there. 

Job did not remain faithful in his speaking.  He did not curse God but he quite haughty with Him.  God Himself showed up and correcte Job on his loose tongue, chapters 38-41.  In 42:3 Job says "Therefore I now see I have rashly uttered what I did not understand" (Amplified) 

Ps 91:1 says, "He who dwells in the secret place of the Most High shall remain stabel and fixed under the shadow of the Almighty, Whose power no foe can withstand."

God cannot deny Himself.  He keeps His promises.  He does not have a daisy in His hand where he pulls one at a time saying, today I keep my promise, today I don't keep my promise, today I keep my promise, today I don't keep my promise.

If we remain in His shadow we are protected.  If we don't then we walk out from under that protection. . .Job may have been considered righteous, according to other men of that day, but he still walked out from under God's protection.  And God merely pointed it out to the enemy so that Job would repent and again find protection which comes with repentence.

Not to get to deep. Satan caused man to rebel against God and break His law, incurring the death penalty. Man, being under the sentence of death, could not pay his own death penalty and also live again to enjoy freedom from sin and carry out the eternal purpose for which he was created. To carry out the eternal plan he had to be redeemed and brought back into full reconciliation with God in order to fulfill the holy and righteous demands of the law and holiness of God. God undertook redemption work for man by seending Jesus to die for him and resurrect him from the dead so that the original plan could be realized.

Satan had kidnapped man and made him a slave to sin and a subject of eternal death. He held a pseudo sovereignty over humanity and that for ransom on the principle of possession and consent of responsible agent of government by consent of the governed( a little law ). This was the only principle of government that a holy God could establish with the wages of sin as death and eternal life as a reward for obedience. Satan's rights are recognized in Scriptrue. He is the god and prince of the world who had the power of death and hell before his defeat by atonement. God decided that through the atonement and the subistitution of an innocent victim to take the place of the guilty kidnapped race He would free it from Satan, thus legally and forcefully evicting him, restoring man's dominion so as to carry on the eternal purpose. The penalty had to be paid for man to go free. If sinful man had paid the penalty, he would remain forever dead. If man was to become reconciled to God again and be restored to his original postion, an innocent and a willing substitute had to be found to take his place who could fully meet the demands of the law and represent both god and man. He had to be more than man to be able to live again after the penalty was paid. The only solution was for God to become man and  pay the penalty for letting man go free. This way God could be free from all accusations of injustice in forcing another to do what he Himself would not do, and His holy law, justice, and form of government would be magified before all creation in all eternity.

When Satan put to death the innocent, sinless Christ, the court of heave cancelled all his claims, rights, and pseudo-sovereignty over his victims. Now he holds a false authority over him. His chief method now is intimidation. All who assert their legal, redemptive, blood-bought and divine rights and resist him can be free from sin, sickness, and satanic powers. All believers are now representatives and officers of God's law. Satan is now only the accuser of the brethren and has no legal claim on them. The law must still be upheld and god cannot excuse any sin.

No human court can forgive and justify any man who continues to commit crimes. So it is with the Court of Heaven. The supreme Judge is sworn to uphold the demands of the law in every case. Jesus Christ is their defense attorney.

I just want some to see that satan did have rights and what or why God did what.

Gee after looking back I guess we have redemption.

No, God does not always heal.

Originally posted by fragmentsofdreams
The devil has no power which God has not allowed him to have. Otherwise, the devil would be a god.

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 Hay fragmentsofdreams, this has nothing to do with your post. I just liked your "Not stupied Just Advanced, and it made me remember a preacher who use to always say how people called him weird because he was a christian. And he started to say it. Then one day the lord told him "your normal their weird". Now thats what he said

I wanted to post this because I think it's wise and might help somebody someday. I'm holding a white flag in case you can't see from there, see, I'm waving it!!!!

 

"Yet a better world awaits the righteous and the sincerely repentant.  To live a good life is not to live free of troubles, but to live free of needless worry.  Catastrophes happen to Christians, just as good thing seem to happen to wicked people.  Yet, for a practicing Christian, even the disasters are good; because they serve to purify us of our attachments to this world.  Only when we go bankrupt, perhaps, will we cease to worry about money.  Only when we're abandoned by our friends, will we stop trying to impress them.  When the money's gone, we can fall back on the thing that nobody can take away: our God.  When our friends don't return our calls, we can, at last, turn to the changeless Friend-Whom we cannot impress, because He knows us thoroughly."  [of course you can apply that to sickness as well] (The Lamb's Supper: Scott Hahn  pg112)

 

Peace, Love, Health

Theresa

Psalm 103:

2 Bless the LORD, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits:
3 Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth ALL thy diseases;
4 Who redeemeth thy life from destruction;

Either you believe Psalm 103 v3,4 or you dont. And if you dont, then you have forgotten ALL his benefits!