Ousted Boy Scouts leader won’t give up gay rights fight

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:

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I'm not getting this. Do Boy Scouts bring spouses with them when they camp? Why is this a problem? I'm sure gay people are allowed in churches.

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It's because there's still people who think gays are out to rape kids/are a lot more likely to rape kids.

The Boyscouts are a private organization, they can exclude anyone they want.
This woman is doing everything properly. Make them embrace their decision publicly,
and making it national news.

The boyscouts can stand with the ignorant and lose membership, or it can take a more realistic view, and only take good honorable people as leaders, ignoring who they chose to share their life with.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:

Do Boy Scouts bring spouses with them when they camp? .

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I can't speak for Boy Scouts but at the Cub Scout level (1st grade thru 5th grade age level scouting) there are several family camp outs each year. Cub camp-outs are typically the cub plus one parent/guardian. At family camp-outs, it is open to siblings and both parent/guardians)

At the Boy Scout level, parents can come as volunteers, or go with the scout on particularly long camping adventures, but parent involvement is reduced.

Billnew said:

The Boyscouts are a private organization, they can exclude anyone they want.
This woman is doing everything properly. Make them embrace their decision publicly,
and making it national news.

The boyscouts can stand with the ignorant and lose membership, or it can take a more realistic view, and only take good honorable people as leaders, ignoring who they chose to share their life with.

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Except the Boy Scouts benefit from many government benefits such as favourable leases for their Jamborees and other governmental backing. I'd encourage you, and others, to examine the Penn & Teller episode on the Scouts - it's quite enlightening.

Billnew said:

The Boyscouts are a private organization, they can exclude anyone they want.
This woman is doing everything properly. Make them embrace their decision publicly,
and making it national news.

The boyscouts can stand with the ignorant and lose membership, or it can take a more realistic view, and only take good honorable people as leaders, ignoring who they chose to share their life with.

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Agreed. I think the harshest thing about this family's situation is that the mom was given the okay to be a leader... and then had it taken away. It is very hard to find enough people interested in and having the time to be scout leaders turning away an entire group of people, especially parents is foolish.

Genersis said:

It's because there's still people who think gays are out to rape kids/are a lot more likely to rape kids.

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According to the Boy Scouts, it is because she either engages in behavior and/or encourages and advocates for behavior which is contrary to their moral beliefs.

Billnew said:

The Boyscouts are a private organization, they can exclude anyone they want. This woman is doing everything properly. Make them embrace their decision publicly, and making it national news.

The boyscouts can stand with the ignorant and lose membership, or it can take a more realistic view, and only take good honorable people as leaders, ignoring who they chose to share their life with.

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What is meant by the phrase of "more realistic view"?

I might also add, the BSA apparently are not intimidated by the publicity. After all, they went all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court in a widely publicized case and won.

Furthermore, what exactly do you mean by "stand with the ignorant"?

Genersis said:

It's because there's still people who think gays are out to rape kids/are a lot more likely to rape kids.

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Makes me think of that "PSA" Boys Beware.

why don't they form their own organization that caters to homosexual men who wish to have unsupervised time with pre-pubescent boys? Oh thats right, because its not that they really want to be part of these activities, they merely want to abolish any civic spaces that they are excluded from.

Tomas de Torquemada said:

why don't they form their own organization that caters to homosexual men who wish to have unsupervised time with pre-pubescent boys? Oh thats right, because its not that they really want to be part of these activities, they merely want to abolish any civic spaces that they are excluded from.

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Umm.. the person "ousted" in the OP's story is a female...

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Rights do not equal right. Just bc one has a right to do something doesn't make it automatically right.

The boy scout "moral code" apparently includes the immoral practice of discriminating against gay people. They have to stand up for their immoral "morals" after all.

As for them being a private group and thus being allowed to behave in a hateful and discriminatory way. Legally that is probably is right. Just as it might be legal for them to exclude black people for having chosen an"immoral" skin color. That doesn't mean people shouldn't speak out against it and put pressure on them to change.

Illuminaughty said:

The boy scout "moral code" apparently includes the immoral practice of discriminating against gay people. They have to stand up for their immoral "morals" after all.

As for them being a private group and thus being allowed to behave in a hateful and discriminatory way. Legally that is probably is right. Just as it might be legal for them to exclude black people for having chosen an"immoral" skin color. That doesn't mean people shouldn't speak out against it and put pressure on them to change.

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What makes a private group's decision to exclude those who engage in behavior contrary to their moral code, immoral?

Furthermore, please expound upon this notion of an all inclusive society or are there some instances in which you believe discrimination is rightfully permitted?

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:

Agreed, Are they a religious group?

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Boy Scout oath:

On my honor I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law; to help other people at all times; to keep myself physically strong, mentally awake, and morally straight.

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They are not directly a religious group, but founded on "God and Country" being ideals for a good citizen.

Illuminaughty said:

The boy scout "moral code" apparently includes the immoral practice of discriminating against gay people. They have to stand up for their immoral "morals" after all.

As for them being a private group and thus being allowed to behave in a hateful and discriminatory way. Legally that is probably is right. Just as it might be legal for them to exclude black people for having chosen an"immoral" skin color. That doesn't mean people shouldn't speak out against it and put pressure on them to change.

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Morals are a personal belief, yours and theirs differ. So they have every right to stand on their morals(and face the concequences of doing so).

Bolded sentence: exactly, that is why I said this person is doing it the exact way she should. Make a public appeal for change, and when they refuse, it allows the world to decide who is right or wrong.
When you do not agree with someone, you have every right to speak out against them, as they do you. Free speech works both ways.

I disagree with them, but I support their right to stand on their beliefs.

The Boy Scouts are not about sex and sexuality.