Are You an Animal?

juvenissun said:

Atheists would say that they can not see it.

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Since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up...

I would say that the difference between us and other animals is that we debate theology on the internet.... but I'm not 100% positive that everyone debating theology on the internet is human. I heard a rumor about monkeys and typewriters.

cobweb said:

I would say that the difference between us and other animals is that we debate theology on the internet.... but I'm not 100% positive that everyone debating theology on the internet is human. I heard a rumor about monkeys and typewriters.

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I'm pretty sure there are some bots that debate theology. Whether they do it well is another matter, but they do it.

cobweb said:

I would say that the difference between us and other animals is that we debate theology on the internet.... but I'm not 100% positive that everyone debating theology on the internet is human. I heard a rumor about monkeys and typewriters.

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And those that don't debate theology on the internet?

pgp_protector said:

And those that don't debate theology on the internet?

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are probably smarter than the rest of us

Skaloop said:

I'm pretty sure there are some bots that debate theology. Whether they do it well is another matter, but they do it.

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I wouldn't say that most of the humans do it well either.

cobweb said:

I would say that the difference between us and other animals is that we debate theology on the internet.... but I'm not 100% positive that everyone debating theology on the internet is human. I heard a rumor about monkeys and typewriters.

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On the Internet nobody knows you're a dog.

juvenissun said:

We have at least one more: we wear clothes. Animals don't.

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Clothes don't matter. Clothes aren't part of a biological system. We are biologically animals. Stop changing the subject and answer my question: Which of those criterion do you disagree with that makes humans distinct from animals?

Davian said:

What if the choices were only animal, vegetable, or mineral?

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juvenissun said:

Easy. None of the above.

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Davian said:

That was not one of the choices.

And if you are not an animal, what are you? How would we scientifically tell you apart from "animals"? What species would scientists classify you as belonging to?

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juvenissun said:

I wear clothes.

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Two nonsense answers. I guess you are stuck being an animal for now.

There was a time that I came here to learn, to argue, to debate.

Now it seems I am here for the lulz.

progmonk said:

I'd go with God communicates with us

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Or that you *think* God communicates with you. What do you make of others that claim to communicate with deities other than yours?

Pwnzerfaust said:

Clothes don't matter. Clothes aren't part of a biological system. We are biologically animals. Stop changing the subject and answer my question: Which of those criterion do you disagree with that makes humans distinct from animals?

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Humans are social creatures. We've created laws that govern our actions and ideas about what is right and wrong.
Is abortion a choice? Are gay couples the same as married? Do animals have rights? All ideas inscribed in law and reason and justice.

By law the laws of 50 states, we are not animals.
Laws affecting animals do not apply to humans,
law applicable to humans are not for animals.

SkyWriting said:

Humans are social creatures. We've created laws that govern our actions and ideas about what is right and wrong.
Is abortion a choice? Are gay couples the same as married? Do animals have rights? All ideas inscribed in law and reason and justice.

By law the laws of 50 states, we are not animals.

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Which laws specifically state that humans are not biologically animals? What makes you think that social structures and hierarchies are unique to humans, when in fact they are quite common amongst other higher animals, especially those closely related to humans.

Davian said:

Or that you *think* God communicates with you. What do you make of others that claim to communicate with deities other than yours?

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they are either communicating with the same deity, or with creatures, generally I take it on a case by case basis.

Pwnzerfaust said:

Which laws specifically state that humans are not biologically animals? What makes you think that social structures and hierarchies are unique to humans, when in fact they are quite common amongst other higher animals, especially those closely related to humans.

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I said legal structure applies and I claim it takes precedent.
Nobody cares what a biologists opinion is on important matters.
He may change his mind tomorrow anyway and decide that
chimps are human and have the right to carry weapons
and choose to get married. Who cares what he thinks.

SkyWriting said:

I said legal structure applies and I claim it takes precedent.
Nobody cares what a biologists opinion is on important matters.
He may change his mind tomorrow anyway and decide that
chimps are human and have the right to carry weapons
and choose to get married. Who cares what he thinks.

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You actually said "laws", not "legal structure", but okay. Of course the legal structure pertains to humans, because we crafted it. But how does that change the fact that, biologically, we are animals? What, in the definition I gave you for animals, do humans not have?

Actually, anyone with at least two braincells to rub against each other place great importance on the consensus of biologists in important matters. It's kind of why medicine works and it's also why we don't rely on prayer beads and magic when we have health issues that need fixing. And those that do rely on them tend not to last long.

Pwnzerfaust said:

You actually said "laws", not "legal structure", but okay. Of course the legal structure pertains to humans, because we crafted it. But how does that change the fact that, biologically, we are animals? What, in the definition I gave you for animals, do humans not have?

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Invented definitions don't concern me. One may change their mind or be overruled tomorrow.
The OP says nothing about biology. It's only one factor.

Actually, anyone with at least two braincells to rub against each other place great importance on the consensus of biologists in important matters.

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A swell opinion billions of people around the world do not identify with.

It's kind of why medicine works and it's also why we don't rely on prayer beads and magic when we have health issues that need fixing. And those that do rely on them tend not to last long.

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Non-western medicine is on the increase, even in the west. Eastern medicine is moving in and has been around multiple times as long and is favored now as a vital part of western medicine. Think about cancer-centers-of-america and how they are growing......not based on technology or worms & acid testing. I went to a chiropractor just last month for a constant back pain because I knew my MD would just have given me pain pills and not healed the problem. As she usually doesn't. I often go to a specialist because of her poor diagnostic skills.

SkyWriting said:

Invented definitions don't concern me. One may change their mind or be overruled tomorrow.
The OP says nothing about biology. It's only one factor.

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"Animal" is a scientific term. As such, it's highly relevant. Additionally, if you don't care for invented things, why do you care so much about the status of non-human animals vs. human animals in the legal system?

SkyWriting said:

A swell opinion billions of people around the world do not identify with.

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Yeah well, there's a reason the West is technologically, scientifically, economically, and militarily superior to the rest of the world: because it's not run by people who don't identify with that opinion. If you want to see what a society dominated by religion instead of science is like, you're welcome to pack your bags and move to the Middle East.

SkyWriting said:

Non-western medicine is on the increase, even in the west. Eastern medicine is moving in and has been around multiple times as long and is favored now as a vital part of western medicine. Think about cancer-centers-of-america and how they are growing......not based on technology or worms & acid testing. I went to a chiropractor just last month for a constant back pain because I knew my MD would just have given me pain pills and not healed the problem. As she usually doesn't. I often go to a specialist because of her poor diagnostic skills.

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I'm sure you have credible sources for these assertions. No way you'd be making them without them, right?

Pwnzerfaust said:

"Animal" is a scientific term. As such, it's highly relevant. Additionally, if you don't care for invented things, why do you care so much about the status of non-human animals vs. human animals in the legal system?

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As you said, because everyone knows we're not animals, and it doesn't require a scientists opinion to figure that out. You can check with every social structure on the planet and they all come to the same conclusion without one lab coat to give their opinion.

Yeah well, there's a reason the West is technologically, scientifically, economically, and militarily superior to the rest of the world: because it's not run by people who don't identify with that opinion.

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Source?

I'm sure you have credible sources for these assertions. No way you'd be making them without them, right?

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I used the same sources you originally cited.

Online Etymology Dictionary
animal (n.) early 14c. (but rare before c.1600, and not in KJV, 1611), "any living creature" (including humans), from L. animale "living being, being which breathes," neut. of animalis "animate, living; of the air," from anima "breath, soul; a current of air" (see animus, and cf. deer). Drove out the older beast in common usage. Used of brutish humans from 1580s.

Davian said:

How would we scientifically tell you apart from "animals"?

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You would have to use the Bible. That means you would have to learn to tell the difference between a regenerated person that is born again and a unregenerated person that is still just an animal. This is pretty much a religious issue. You have already admited that science can not tell the difference between a christian and a non christian.