Do you believe in alien life? (2)

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Hebrews 1:1-5 and 11:1-2 tells us that God made "Worlds" not just a single "world" with life on it.

Science now knows for certain that the number of planets in our universe far out numbers the number of stars - and the number of habitable planets is huge.

The Catholic church is now insisting that christians accept the fact of life on other planets in our universe.

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My wife told me about some light she saw in the sky one night that she thought was a UFO because of how bizarre and unfamiliar it was acting. At first I didn't believe it could have been a UFO but after watching a couple of episodes of Paranormal Witness I noticed the encounters with UFO's on that show were exactly like my wife had described her experience. So yes I believe in aliens and I think they're already here.
 
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It is said there are more stars in the sky than grains of sands on the earth.
I find it strange that the church says we must now believe in life on other planets.
Was it not said by Jesus the Son of God about my Fathers house has many rooms (or similar), this is not new knowledge!

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yes but the sea change in science today is that they are now saying that there are more planets than stars.

That is the "big news".

in Christ,

Bob
 
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I create a number of both Christian and Sci-fi type art works.
As much as I wanted to believe and acknowledge the possibility of life in the Universe, I could not fully, if it went against anything in Gods word.
One day it hit me, in Genesis God created the Earth and Heavens above.

That is a huge statement if you view it from a given point of view,(ie)
that the Heavens above are indeed physical space and stars. Anyway, it was enough for me to see how powerful and diverse our God can be.
The stars are indeed believed to be as numbered as all the grains of sand in our world, and indeed he promised Abraham that his descendants would be as many as such. I also believe that we should never place our creator in a box, he will do as he chooses, and he will reveal to us what he wishes to.

Perhaps there are many forms of life in our universe, however I believe they all are Gods creation, and they were designed as we were to worship him.
 
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I create a number of both Christian and Sci-fi type art works.
As much as I wanted to believe and acknowledge the possibility of life in the Universe, I could not fully, if it went against anything in Gods word.
One day it hit me, in Genesis God created the Earth and Heavens above.

That is a huge statement if you view it from a given point of view,(ie)
that the Heavens above are indeed physical space and stars. Anyway, it was enough for me to see how powerful and diverse our God can be.
The stars are indeed believed to be as numbered as all the grains of sand in our world, and indeed he promised Abraham that his descendants would be as many as such. I also believe that we should never place our creator in a box, he will do as he chooses, and he will reveal to us what he wishes to.

Perhaps there are many forms of life in our universe, however I believe they all are Gods creation, and they were designed as we were to worship him.

No doubt at all about that in both Hebrews 1 and Hebrews 11 we are told that God made "The Worlds" through Christ.

And now we know that there are more planets out there than stars.

The question is -- are we going to trust God's word that the fallen beings in our universe are limited to fallen angels and fallen mankind - or are we going to invent an entire Star Trek universe of fallen sinful and even violent intelligent beings not at all limited to fallen angels.

The Bible says in Rev 12 that at the level of the entire universe - the fallen problem is confined to mankind and to fallen angels.

That is a key point.

in Christ,

Bob
 
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No doubt at all about that in both Hebrews 1 and Hebrews 11 we are told that God made "The Worlds" through Christ.

And now we know that there are more planets out there than stars.

The question is -- are we going to trust God's word that the fallen beings in our universe are limited to fallen angels and fallen mankind - or are we going to invent an entire Star Trek universe of fallen sinful and even violent intelligent beings not at all limited to fallen angels.

The Bible says in Rev 12 that at the level of the entire universe - the fallen problem is confined to mankind and to fallen angels.

That is a key point.

in Christ,

Bob

Why should all aliens be "fallen"?
 
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This is the only level in Creation where good and bad side by side all the other levels are homogeneous to the beings that enter them, higher or lower!

You mention fallen Angels, i only know of the fallen angel Lucifer, could you please point to the passage in the Bible that says angels, i have looked in Rev 12!

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1. There is no mention at all of evil on other worlds in the Bible - but we are told that God created them in Hebrews 1 and 11.

2. Rev 12 says "the dragon and his angels" were at war with Michael and "his angels" -- and the dragon is lucifer, Satan, the Devil as we are told in Rev 12.

3. in 1Peter 2:4 "God did not spare angels when THEY sinned".

IT is both the dragon "AND his angels" that are cast down to earth in Rev 12.

What part of this are you saying is missing?

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Bob
 
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Why should all aliens be "fallen"?

None of the real ones on other planets are fallen.

But "Satan and his angels" are come down to earth according to Rev 12 - and his mission is to "deceive the whole earth".

Revelation 20:8
and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea.

To "blind the eyes of the unbelieving" 2Cor 4:4.


In this case - into believing some wild story about aliens evolving and being somewhat interesting in stealing cows or abducting people or showing up in spaceships.

in Christ,

Bob
 
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I strongly believe that there are alien lifeforms out there. I also believe that there are more advanced lifeforms than us out there too, and who knows, the theories of them visiting us in the past might be true.

I've always found the thought of being visited by alien lifeforms very interesting, and the ties to religion even more interesting. I'm certainly not the most religious person around (although I am indeed religious) so unlike many here I don't think that the theory of religion having ties to alien visitations is that crazy.

Since many religions state that we are created by God it's also very interesting to ask the question; was god and his angels aliens, and were we created by them (or partly created by them)?

I think it's all very interesting, I'm open minded. :)
 
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In Matt 26 we are told that hell - (the Lake of fire in Rev 20 -- the second death) is not only for the wicked of this earth - but that it was made for the "devil and his angels" this both earth AND the realm of life in the Universe is included. The only wicked you see there - that are not from earth - is "The devil and his angels".

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Bob
 
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Hello,

How are you doing?

I am new to this board but this seemed like an interesting topic.

This may seem contradictory. But I believe in a literal six-day creation of this world. However, I believe the universe is billions of years old. And I believe life may exist on other worlds.

My own theory is because of sin, God confined the kingdom of Lucifer to earth, and man. And it may be true as the saying goes "All the world's a stage" - the universe watches to see what becomes of this world, given free will, and how a loving God will deal with the question of sin in His universe. This is why I believe God has to let us choose to be saved or lost by free will and offers us the gift of Salvation - if not, if He had just "destroyed the rebels" the rest of His creation might serve Him out of fear rather than love.

I just have a hard time believing God created the expanse of the universe just for "little old us". (you get some of those very distant shots from Hubble and it's not stars you're seeing anymore - those are GALAXIES!) I always felt that was arrogant. but I also believe the bible does not talk about other beings and other worlds because our fallen flesh must be changed to enter the Kingdom of God and have access to all the wonders of His creation.

Again, this is only a theory I've toyed with. Only when Jesus returns as described in Revelation 1:7, 19:11-16 and various other places, when the sun becomes dark and the moon red (Joel 2:31-32, Matthew 24, Revelation 6:12-14) - which I believe the star we know as "Sol" (i.e. "the sun") will permanently go dark, Revelation 22 states we will have no need of its light, and the saints are caught up to Him as described in 1 Thes 4:16-17 at that point, will we know the full scale of His universe. Until then it's only a matter of speculation.

I do NOT believe in "gray aliens" however - I do believe those are actually demonic spirits people are "seeing" posing as space aliens. My theory about real life on other worlds is that such life would be distant, and uncorrupted by sin, and therefore, until we are made clean and our transformation completed "in the twinkling of an eye" as it says (1 Corinthians 15) it's "access denied". I often wonder how much of our own mythology, folklore and legend actually comes from satan's twisting and perversion of his knowledge of God's universe. But that's mere speculation on my part. After all, he was God's covering cherub!

Well, I hope you don't mind me sharing. I am not saying this is all true. But this is a theory I've toyed with about life on other worlds. and I could be completely wrong. But I just wonder.

God bless! :)

JW
 
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God didn't create the universe for 'little old us'. It is for His glory, not ours.
And until you can show me biblical evidence to support it, I won't believe there are little green men out there. Figuratively speaking.

Likewise. I would require the same evidence to prove that life on other worlds conclusively does NOT exist as expansive as the universe is. When I was a kid, or own solar system only had 9 planets. Now I think it's 11 or 14? And they discover new planets all the time. How do we know either way what God has or has not put on those distant worlds? The fact is we don't.

But I agree with you that I don't believe in "gray aliens" or "little green men" - at least as commonly portrayed. and I believe the "common sightings" are either a hoax, or else demons posing as space aliens.

However, consider the "living creatures" of Revelation- what if there was a whole planet of creatures just like that?

:thumbsup: ;) ^_^
 
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Hi I’m sorry but if I am reading you right, but it is impossibility for the world (earth) to form in seven days.
I believe that the references in the Bible, referring to the first Creation, refers to the level closest to God, and later levels were formed in the cooling of the radiations.
Everything is formed from the radiations of God.
It is just the interpretations from the Bible that are taken in an earthly view as if the earth was the center of Creation, it is not.


I believe Lucifer came to the earth to help us in our progress but being so far from the Light, he fell.


I also believe that we are one of the most distant levels from God.


Too deep for me to answer too!


It was also said seek and you will find!

In the Light of Truth: The Grail Message

Peace and Light
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In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.And the evening and the morning were the third day.And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

I have here a quote from Genesis 1:1-24 I only quoted so far just to illustrate the specific use of language. "evening and morning, the first day" and "evening and morning, the second day" - the use of literal days.

The Bible says in verse 1 God created the heavens and the Earth. Now this could have been billions of years. That point I do not contend. I happen to believe the universe is billions of years old. But this Earth, or more specifically, life on Earth, was created in six literal days, by a powerful Sovereign God as the Bible specifies. I do not call God a liar. In fact, I would submit to you that the earth was probably a useless planetoid until God decided to put life on it based on verse 1 alone.

In verse 3 we have God giving the Earth light and in verse 4 putting a separation between night and day - I believe this is when God put a rotational spin on the planet to separate day from night. This was in fact the first day, as duly noted in verse 5.

I would also point to you a few other verses from the Bible that are crucial to consider when it comes to faith in God and what He says:


All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. - 2 Timothy 3:16-17

Also

Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. - Galatians 3:6


To preach anything other than what the Bible says, I would caution you as a friend, is dangerous ground. I would take heed.

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. - Galatians 1:8-9

and

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Revelation 22:18-19

We are not supposed to deny the Word of God, or add meaning or take away from it. To suggest that other worlds may have life on them would not do so. We do not know what God has put on other worlds out there, either way. We barely have spacecraft that can explore space around our own earth. (We just retired the Space Shuttles that were all supposed to have "100 uses" each and two of them didn't make it, hello? lol! And I'll still never forget the day Challenger blew sitting in my desk in grade school!)

However, If the Bible states it is six literal days, either we take God for what He says or we dismiss Him. "Faith that moves mountains". The Bible talks of events so terrible in the final days, earthquakes so devastating that the very topographical surface of the planet will be totally decimated! (Revelation 6:12-14 - synonymous with the Seventh Bowl! same event! But that's a whole other topic! I recommend the website wake-up.org on that subject) The "stars of heaven" that fall will be "hail" or some other form of space ejecta that will enter the atmosphere, and like Sodom, burn the Earth as they hit the ground creating a "lake of fire". (You can see how God will fulfill some of His end time events) and how an asteroid hitting the sea will cause oxygen-depleted water it causes, to give rise to "red tide" (red algae) making the sea turn "to blood". (I'm looking at the descriptions of the events of Revelation through the eyes of a first century man on Patmos) The Bible was literal about creation and it will be literal about the End as well is my point.

I would simply caution you, not to dismiss what it says.

I don't contest the age of the universe outside the creation of this world because the Bible does not specifically address that issue. Only the creation of this world. And it gives specific verbal notation to "evening and morning" notating the passage of a literal day. This God we're talking about. The same God who sent His Son, who fed 5000 people with 5 loaves of bread and 2 fish! Jesus Christ was the Son of God, and God! (John 1:1-3) :)

Anyways, not trying to come down on you. I don't even know you. Just that I would caution you not to dismiss what the Bible says. God specifically warns us not to do that.

God be with you! :D :thumbsup: ^_^ ;) :wave:

JW
 
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While exoplanets have been discovered there's yet to be any evidence put forward that proves the existence of intelligent non-humans in outer space. SETI aside, I don't see a great deal of effort being expended on the search for any of our potential alien neighbors. A great many downright foolish ideas exist about intelligent non-humans, fed by the often silly and fantasical ideas dreamt up by pop culture, literature, and so on.
 
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While exoplanets have been discovered there's yet to be any evidence put forward that proves the existence of intelligent non-humans in outer space. SETI aside, I don't see a great deal of effort being expended on the search for any of our potential alien neighbors. A great many downright foolish ideas exist about intelligent non-humans, fed by the often silly and fantasical ideas dreamt up by pop culture, literature, and so on.


Very true. I can say this: It has been my personal theory, and it is just a theory because I can't prove it in any way; I believe until we are changed as the Bible talks about in 1 Corinthians 15:50-58 and 2 Thes. 4:16-17 - I'm not talking about a pre-trib rapture, but our transformation at the Second Coming of Christ when we are changed to incorruptible flesh, and when sin is put out of God's universe once and for all in the lake of fire described in Revelation - when this happens, I believe then, and only then, will we have any access to whatever other life forms exist in God's universe.

I believe God is not going to let human beings and fallen angels, confined to this earth, corrupted with the cancer of sin, have access to His universe in our present condition. The issue of sin will be dealt with here on this earth and purged from the believers at the Second Coming, and it will be crushed out of existence in God's universe permanently when those who reject God are destroyed in the Second Death, including the devil and his angels.

Meanwhile I think what Shakespeare wrote (or what is ascribed to him) in the words "all the world's a stage" is very true in this context- The universe God created waits and watches to see how a loving God deals with the question of disobedience in His universe - He offers His creation the free will choice, so no one can ever say He punishes the damned out of some kind of tangent or "my way or the highway" kind of tyranny. God no doubt wants to be served out of love, not fear.

At least that is how I see this. I can't prove that any such life exists out there in this context - but that is my theory about any such life in God's universe.
 
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