The body but not the soul

ivebeenshown said:

Some hold to 'soul sleep', that is, the notion that the soul is nothing more than the combined product of a material body and the animating Spirit of God -- so when someone dies, they 'sleep' until the resurrection.

Jesus said to not fear those who can kill the body but not the soul, but instead to fear him who can kill both body and soul in hell.

Question for those who believe in 'soul sleep':

If the heart is a vital part of the body and destroying it kills the body, wouldn't destroying the body kill the soul if the body were a vital part of the soul?

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I would say, Yes. I am one who believes this, LOL, put it this way today I do, but that doesn't mean tomorrow that can't be changed by Him.
But I also see "hell" as sheol, or the grave. Not the hell that man has taught me.

Blessings

I need to add something here, I don't believe in "soul sleep", I don't believe the soul rises, if that makes sense. I believe it only applies to this now physical realm.

there is too much proof that we exist conciously after flesh death, espeically in Revelation.

Rev5,6,12,14,19 just to mention a few

ivebeenshown said:

Some hold to 'soul sleep', that is, the notion that the soul is nothing more than the combined product of a material body and the animating Spirit of God -- so when someone dies, they 'sleep' until the resurrection. ...

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I see that you have disallowed people to PM you, and will no longer receive an answer.

The text [Matthew 10:28] is saying, simply [a more thorough answer may come if needed/requested], that mankind cannot so kill/destroy the person to where they cannot be resurrected by God and so live again [therefore do not fear that temporary death], but says the text and Christ Jesus Himself, that God can so kill/destroy the person that they cannot be so resurrected ever again [a permanent death, and to fear/reverence Him, ie obey God rather than men].

There is a clear and distinct difference in scripture given, between the 1st death ['sleep', 'no knowledge'] and 2nd death [annihilation, 'no more'].

This text [Matthew 10:28] absolutely shows that the pagan and platonic philosophy of immortal tormenting sufferors [in any manner] is incorrect. God does not prolong the suffering of the wicked in their sin, hatred and misery, He justly, mercifully and even lovingly ends it forever.

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A: [sleep, asleep, sleepeth] Deuteronomy 31:16; 2 Samuel 7:12; Job 3:13, 7:21, 14:12; 1 Kings 1:21, 2:10, 11:21,43, 14:20,31, 15:8,24, 16:6,28, 22:40,50; 2 Kings 8:24, 10:35, 13:9,13, 14:16,22,29, 15:7,22,38, 16:20, 20:21, 21:18, 24:6; 2 Chronicles 9:31, 12:16, 14:1, 16:13, 21:1, 26:2,23, 27:9, 28:27, 32:33, 33:20; Job 14:12; Psalms 13:3; Matthew 27:52; John 11:11-13; Acts 7:60, 13:36; 1 Corinthians 15:6,18,20,51; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-15; 2 Peter 3:4; [awake] Job 14:12; Psalms 17:15; Isaiah 26:19; Daniel 12:2; John 11:11-13; [grave/bed] Job 17:13; Psalms 139:8; Luke 17:34; [fathers and prophets are dead] John 6:49,58, 8:52,53; Acts 2:29,34, 13:36; Hebrews 11:4,13,16,40

B: [knowing nothing] Genesis 27:4, 45:28; Ruth 1:17; Job 3:17-19, 7:8-10, 14:21, 21:32; 2 Kings 22:20; 2 Chronicles 34:28; Psalms 6:5, 28:1, 31:17, 88:4,10,11, 115:17, 143:7, 146:4; Ecclesiastes 9:4,5,6,10; Isaiah 14:11, 38:18; [reserved] 2 Peter 2:9; [He goes to prepare a place, so that when He comes again, 2nd Advent, He will raise us and receive us] John 14:2-3

C: [grave, sepulchre, tomb, pit, hell [ie Hb: sheol; Gr: hades; grave]] Genesis 23:6, 35:20, 37:35, 44:29,31, 50:5; Exodus 14:11; Numbers 16:30, 19:16,18; Deuteronomy 34:6; Judges 8:32, 1 Samuel 2:6, 10:2; 2 Samuel 3:32, 4:10, 17:23, 19:37, 21:14, 22:6; 1 Kings 2:6,9, 13:22,30,31, 14:13; 2 Kings 9:28, 13:21, 21:26, 22:20, 23:6,16,17,30; 2 Chronicles 16:14, 21:20, 24:25, 28:27, 32:33, 34:4,28, 35:24; Nehemiah 2:3,5, 3:16; Job 3:17-19,22, 5:26, 7:8-10, 10:19, 11:8, 14:12-14,21, 17:1,13,16, 21:13,23-32, 24:19, 26:6, 30:24, 33:22; Psalms 5:9, 6:5, 18:5, 28:1, 30:3, 31:17, 35:7, 49:14,15, 55:15, 86:13, 88:3,4,5-12, 89:48, 94:13, 115:17, 116:3, 139:8, 141:7, 143:7; Proverbs 1:12, 5:5, 7:27, 9:18, 15:11,24, 23:14, 27:20, 30:16; Ecclesiastes 6:6, 9:10; Song of Songs [Solomon] 8:6; Isaiah 5:14, 14:9,11,15,19, 22:16, 28:15,18, 38:10,18, 53:9, 57:9, 65:4; Jeremiah 5:16, 8:1, 26:23, 20:17; Ezekiel 26:20, 31:15-17, 32:18,21-27, 37:12,13, 39:11; Hosea 13:14; Amos 9:2; Jonah 2:2 [<- figurative, typological]; Nahum 1:14; Habakkuk 2:5; Matthew 8:8, 11:23, 23:27,29, 27:52,53,60,61,64,66, 28:8; Mark 5:2,3,5, 6:29, 15:46, 16:2,3,5,8; Luke 8:27, 10:15, 11:47,48, 23:53,55, 24:1,2,9,12,22,24; John 5:28, 11:31,38, 12:17, 19:41,42, 20:1-4,6,8,11; Acts 2:29,34, 7:16, 13:29,36; Romans 3:13; 1 Corinthians 15:55; Revelation 1:18, 11:9, 20:13,14

D: [resurrection] 1 Samuel 2:6; Job 14:12-14, 19:26; Psalms 16:10; Hosea 13:14; Matthew 22:23,28,30,31, 27:52,53 [special firstfruits resurrection; see also Ephesians 4:8]; Mark 12:18,23,25; Luke 14:14, 20:27,33,35,36; John 5:29, 6:25,28,29,39,40,44,54, 11:24,25; Acts 2:27,31, 4:2,33, 17:31,32, 23:6,8, 24:15,21; Romans 1:4, 6:5,8; 1 Corinthians 15:12,13,16,20,21,23,29,32,35,42,43,52-55; Ephesians 1:20, 4:8 [special firstfruits resurrection; see also Matthew 27:52,53]; Philippians 3:10,11; Colossians 3:3; 2 Timothy 2:18, 4:1; Hebrews 6:2, 11:35; 1 Peter 1:3, 3:21; Jude 1:9 [Moses resurrection; combine with Matthew 17; Mark 9; Luke 9; 2 Peter 1:16; Romans 5:14]; Revelation 1:5,18, 20:5,6,13; [translations] - Enoch [Genesis 5:24; Hebrews 11:5]; Elijah [2 Kings 2:1,11; Matthew 17:3; Mark 9:4; Luke 9:30,31] and some at Jesus's 2nd Advent/Coming [1 Thessalonians 4:13-17]; other special resurrections that took place - Elijah raises the Widow of Zarephath's [1 Kings 17:17-24]; Elijah raises the son of the Shunamite Woman [2 Kings 4:18-37]; A man and Elisha's Bones [2 Kings 13:20-21]; Jesus raises the Widow of Nain's Son [Luke 7:11-17]; Jesus raises Jairus's Daughter [Matthew 9:18,19,23-26; Mark 5:22-24,35-43; Luke 8:41-42,49-56]; Jesus raises Lazarus [John 11:1-47]; Peter raises Tabitha [Dorcas] [Acts 9:36-42]; Paul raises Eutychus [Acts 20:9-12]; Paul himself may have been raised, or at least miraculously healed from stoning [Acts 14:19-20]; Jesus' Resurrection [Matthew 28:1-20; Mark 16:1-20; Luke 24:1-53; John 20:1-31]

E: [a special resurrection, some righteous, some wicked - to witness Christ coming in Power in Glory to fulfill His Word] Daniel 12:1-3; Matthew 26:64; Mark 14:62; Revelation 1:7

F: [[first great] resurrection [of the saints, just, life, before/at start of the 1000 years when Christ Jesus returns in Power and Glory], raised] 1 Samuel 2:6; Job 14:12-14, 19:26; Hosea 13:14; Matthew 22:31; Mark 12:18,23,25; Luke 14:14, 20:35,36; John 5:29a, 6:25,28,29,39,40,44,54, 11:24,25; Acts 4:2, 17:31,32, 23:6, 24:15a,21; Romans 6:5,8, 8:11; 1 Corinthians 15:12,13,16,20,21,23,29,32,35,42,43,52-55; Philippians 3:10,11; Colossians 3:3; 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; 2 Timothy 2:18, 4:1; Hebrews 6:2, 11:35; Revelation 20:5b,6; [All the Holy "Clouds" of Angels [the "reapers"] with Him] Psalms 68:17, 104:3; Isaiah 66:15; Matthew 13:39,49, 16:27, 24:30, 25:31,51, 26:64; Mark 8:38, 13:27; Luke 9:26, 21:27; Acts 1:9-11; 1 Thessalonians 3:13, 4:16-17; Hebrews 1:7; Revelation 1:7, 12:7

G: [2nd Advent/Coming in Power and Glory, with all the holy angels, even unto the 3rd] Zechariah 14:1-7 [3rd]; Daniel 2:35,44,45, 7:14,22,27, 8:25, 12:1-3; Matthew 19:28, 24:30, 25:31; Mark 13:26; Luke 21:27; 1 Corinthians 15:43; 2 Thessalonians 1:9

H: [[second great] resurrection [of the wicked, unjust, damnation, at the end/close of the 1000 years, when Christ Jesus and all of the Saints [then immortal] descend to Earth in New Jerusalem upon the Mount of Olives, and the Great White Throne Judgment takes place; Zechariah 14; Revelation 20]] John 5:29b; Acts 17:31, 24:15b; Revelation 20:5a

I: [resurrection of unjust/damnation takes place on earth] Revelation 20:5,7-15

J: [1000 years, the day of the Lord, the 7th millennium] Psalms 90:4; Isaiah 24:22; 2 Peter 3:8; Revelation 20:2,3,4,5,6,7; see also the Biblical pattern,

Just as the week is 6 Days and the 7th of Rest [Genesis 2:2-3; Exodus 16:26, 20:8-11, 23:12, 31:15,17, 34:21, 35:2; Leviticus 23:3; Deuteronomy 5:12-15, Ezekiel 46:1; etc], so too is to be the 1000 years, a Sabbath of Rest in Heaven, for the Gospel has been preached in the world for 6000 years.

Just as the feast of Unleaven Bread would last for 6 days and the 7th a solemn assembly; Deuteronomy 16:8

Just as Joshua surrounded Jericho for 6 days [1 times] and on the 7th Day [7 times]; Joshua 6:3,4, 13-16

Just as the Land itself was to be worked for 6 years and the 7th year it was to be left alone, so too is to be the 1000 years, a Sabbath of Rest in Heavenly Canaan - The Promised Land. [Exodus 23:10-11]

Just as the slaves worked for 6 years, they were to be set free in the 7th year, so too is it to be in the 1000 years, a Sabbath of Rest in Heaven. [Exodus 21:2; Deuteronomy 15:12]

Just as Moses waited at the base of the Mountain 6 days, and on the 7th he was then called up into the Mount, into the clouds, so too shall we be called upwards. [Exodus 24:16; 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17]

Just as Joash was hid in the Temple 6 years, while Athaliah [daughter of Jezebel] reigned, and in the 7th year he was crowned King and came out with an army to slay her, so too will CHRIST JESUS come as KING of Kings and LORD of Lords and HE shall reign, and slay the wicked. [2 Kings 1:3; 2 Chronicles 22:12]

Just as JESUS and the three Disciples [Peter, James and John] after 6 days went up the Mountain of Transfiguration, they saw JESUS transfigured before them standing with Moses and Elijah [the Law and the Prophets, the Resurrected Dead and the Translated Living, types of those to be on Earth at the 2nd Advent; Matthew 17, Mark 9; Luke 9; 2 Peter 1:16].

K: [New Jerusalem descends from Heaven with Christ and all Saints, after 1000 years] Zechariah 14:1-5; Revelation 3:12, 20:5-15, 21:2;

L: [2nd death from which there is no life, nor resurrection, nor return - annihilation] Psalms 9:17; Matthew 5:22,29,30, 10:28, 18:9, 23:15,33; Mark 9:43,45,47; Luke 12:5; 2 Thessalonians 1:9; James 3:6; Revelation 2:11, 20:6,14, 21:8

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M: [sin/sinners gone forever, cut off, perished, no more, destroyed, passed away, etc] Job 20:26,29, 31:2-3; Psalms 7:9, 9:17, 11:6, 21:9, 37:10, 37:20, 37:28,38, 68:2, 69:28, 75:8,10, 92:7,9, 104:35, 106:18, 112:10, 145:20; Proverbs 2:22, 10:25,28,30, 12:7, 13:9, 14:11, 24:20; Ezekiel 18:4, 18:20; Isaiah 13:9, 25:8, 66:17,24; Nahum 1:10; Obadiah 1:16; Zephaniah 1:2-3; Malachi 4:1; Matthew 10:28; John 3:16; Romans 6:23; Hebrews 6:8; James 1:15; 2 Peter 3:10; Revelation 7:17, 20:9, 21:4

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 3:16 says Perish or Everlasting Life[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, serif][the wicked receive no such gift as [/FONT]everlasting life [there are no immortalized wicked anywhere and never will be], it is only a gift to the saved/just/righteous].

Additionally, it is the Righteous who will dwell with everlasting burnings (Isaiah 33:14), for God is a consuming fire [to sin and of Love] (Deuteronomy 4:24, 9:3; Hebrews 12:29) and His ministers a flame of fire (Psalms 104:4; Hebrews 1:7) and His Throne of Fire (Daniel 7:9; Revelation 4:5) and His speech fire (2 Samuel 22:9; Psalms 18:8) for He is a purifying fire (Malachi 3:3) and it is they who have the victory over sin who stand upon the sea of glass mingled with fire (Revelation 15:2), and will be as the burning bush which was not consumed (Exodus 3:3), not the wicked [they are burnt up into smoke and ashes at the meeting out of Judgment, they are perished.

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The words used so far in describing the end of the wicked are Destroy, Blotted Out, Perished, Consumed Utterly, Cut Off, Dissolved, Melted, Devoured, Dead, Death, Hath Not Been, Not [any/no more], Burned Up, etc. [all taken from Strong's]:

[Hebrew: machah&#1502;&#1495;&#1492;; meaning: to wipe out; blot out, obliterate; exterminated]
[Hebrew: macah&#1502;&#1505;&#1492;; meaning: melt away, dissolve, liquefy, consumed]
[Hebrew: muwg&#1502;&#1493;&#1490;; meaning: to melt, dissolve, faint, dissipate, flow away]
[Hebrew: muwth&#1502;&#1493;&#1514;; meaning: dead, death, kill, slain]
[Hebrew: da`ak&#1491;&#1506;&#1498;; meaning: extinguished, to go out, put out, dry up, made extinct, quenched]
[Hebrew: caphah&#1505;&#1508;&#1492;; meaning: to be swept away, destroyed, consumed]
[Hebrew: shachath&#1513;&#1495;&#1514;; meaning: destroyed, corrupted, ruined, decayed]
[Hebrew: parar&#1508;&#1512;&#1512;; meaning: break apart, frustrate, split, splinter to pieces, shatter, cracked up]
[Hebrew: 'abad&#1488;&#1489;&#1491;; meaning: perished, vanished, destroyed, die, exterminated, blot out, put to death]
[Hebrew: 'obed&#1488;&#1489;&#1491;; meaning: destruction, perish]
[Hebrew: gava`&#1490;&#1493;&#1506;; meaning: to expire, die, death, breathe ones last, yield up the last breath]
[Hebrew: cuwph&#1505;&#1493;&#1507;; meaning: to come to an end, to make an end, consume utterly, cause to cease, perish]
[Hebrew: damah&#1491;&#1502;&#1492;; meaning: to cease, cause to cease, cut off, destroy, perish, to be undone]
[Hebrew: charam&#1495;&#1512;&#1501;; meaning: to ban, destroy utterly and completely, exterminated, forfeited, divided, prohibited]
[Hebrew: kalah&#1499;&#1500;&#1492;; meaning: consumed, determined, ended, finished, completely spent, at an end, perish, terminated, annihilation, complete destruction]
[Hebrew: karath&#1499;&#1512;&#1514;; meaning: cut off, cut asunder, eliminate, kill, cut down]
[Hebrew: kachad&#1499;&#1495;&#1491;; meaning: hide, conceal, cut down, make desolate, destroy, cut off, annihilate, efface]
[Hebrew: bala`&#1489;&#1500;&#1506;; meaning: swallowed up, eaten up, to be ended]
[Hebrew: balah&#1489;&#1500;&#1492;; meaning: to wear out, wear away, use up completely]
[Hebrew: harac&#1492;&#1512;&#1505;; meaning: to tear down, break down, overthrow, destroy utterly]
[Hebrew: show'&#1513;&#1493;&#1488;; meaning: devastated, ruined, laid to waste]
[Hebrew: tsamath&#1510;&#1502;&#1514;; meaning: put an end to, cut off, destroy, exterminate, annihilate]
[Hebrew: shamad&#1513;&#1502;&#1491;; meaning: destroyed, exterminate, annihilated, devastated]
[Hebrew: naphal&#1504;&#1508;&#1500;; meaning: cast down, fail, waste away, overturn, knock down, fall]
[Hebrew: 'akal&#1488;&#1499;&#1500;; meaning: to eat, devour, consume, to be wasted, destroyed]
[Hebrew: chacal&#1495;&#1505;&#1500;; meaning: to consume, eaten up, bring to an end]
[Hebrew: tamam&#1514;&#1502;&#1501;; meaning: to be complete, finished, at an end, consumed, exhausted]
[Hebrew: 'oklah&#1488;&#1499;&#1500;&#1492;; meaning: object of devouring, consuming in judgment]
[Hebrew: maqaq&#1502;&#1511;&#1511;; meaning: to decay, pine away, rot, fester, corrupt, dissolve]
[Hebrew: guwz&#1490;&#1493;&#1494;; meaning: to pass over, pass away (of life), cut off]
[Hebrew: yatsath&#1497;&#1510;&#1514;; meaning: to be burned up, to be made desolate, set on fire]
[Hebrew: s&#277;rephah&#1513;&#1512;&#1508;&#1492;; meaning: burning, burn, burnt up throughly]

[Greek: apollymi &#7936;&#960;&#8057;&#955;&#955;&#965;&#956;&#953;; meaning: to destroy, put out of the way entirely, abolish, put an end to ruin, render useless, kill, perish]
[Greek: ly&#333; &#955;&#8059;&#969;; meaning: loosed, undone, annul, dissolve, do away with, overthrow, break up]
[Greek: kataly&#333; &#954;&#945;&#964;&#945;&#955;&#8059;&#969;; meaning: dissolved, disunite, overthrow, render vain, bring to naught]
[Greek: analisk&#333; &#7936;&#957;&#945;&#955;&#8055;&#963;&#954;&#969;; meaning: to expend, consume, destroy]
[Greek: phtheir&#333; &#966;&#952;&#949;&#8055;&#961;&#969;; meaning: to corrupt, to destroy, to perish, deprave]
[Greek: diaphtheir&#333; &#948;&#953;&#945;&#966;&#952;&#949;&#8055;&#961;&#969;; meaning: to corrupt, consume, destroy, kill, eat up, ruin]
[Greek: aphaniz&#333; &#7936;&#966;&#945;&#957;&#8055;&#950;&#969;; meaning: to snatch away, take away, to make unseen, to destroy, consume, to make vanish]
[Greek: phthora &#966;&#952;&#959;&#961;&#8049;; meaning: corruption, destruction, perishing, decay]
[Greek: kataphtheir&#333; &#954;&#945;&#964;&#945;&#966;&#952;&#949;&#8055;&#961;&#969;; meaning: to corrupt, deprave, to destroy, perish]
[Greek: ekkopt&#333; &#7952;&#954;&#954;&#8057;&#960;&#964;&#969;; meaning: hewn down, cut off or out]
[Greek: apokopt&#333; &#7936;&#960;&#959;&#954;&#8057;&#960;&#964;&#969;; meaning: cut off, amputate]
[Greek: nekros &#957;&#949;&#954;&#961;&#8057;&#962;; meaning: lifeless, dead, deceased, breathed ones last, inanimate, inactive]
[Greek: nekro&#333; &#957;&#949;&#954;&#961;&#8057;&#969;; meaning: dead, put to death, to deprive of power, destroy the strength]
[Greek: apothn&#275;sk&#333; &#7936;&#960;&#959;&#952;&#957;&#8132;&#963;&#954;&#969;; meaning: to die, perish, dry up, eternal death]
[Greek: empi(m)pr&#275;mi &#7952;&#956;&#960;&#8055;(&#956&#960;&#961;&#951;&#956;&#953;; meaning: burn up, destroy by fire]
[Greek: katakai&#333; &#954;&#945;&#964;&#945;&#954;&#945;&#8055;&#969;; meaning: to burn up, consume by fire]

Begin to ask, where are the all of the wicked [including Satan and his angels] standing in Revelation 20:8-9? Do they [the wicked] live there eternally or are they rather not completely destroyed so that the New Heaven and the New Earth may be created there, wherein dwelleth righteousness, peace, no more tears, pain or sorrow or sin or satan?

"...and there was found no place for them." Revelation 20:11;p

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N: [the serpent/devil/satan/dragon said, "Ye shall not surely die..."] Genesis 3:4; and [God said "Ye shall surely die..."] Genesis 2:17, 27:4; Proverbs 19:16; Ezekiel 3:19, 18:4,20, 33:9; James 5:20; Revelation 16:3; and [God strictly warned and forbade necromancy, attempted communication, prayer to/with the 'dead', for He knew it was false, a deception of Satan to ensnare] Exodus 22:18, Deuteronomy 18:9-12; Isaiah 8:19; Luke 24:5; [Episode of Saul and the woman of Endor] 1 Samuel 28:7-25, 31:1-12; 2 Samuel 1:1-24; 1 Chronicles 10:1-13

O: [Word definitions]:

'Able': "&#948;&#8059;&#957;&#945;&#956;&#945;&#953;"; "dynamai"; meaning "1) to be able, have power whether by virtue of one's own ability and resources, or of a state of mind, or through favourable circumstances, or by permission of law or custom; 2) to be able to do something; 3) to be capable, strong and powerful"

'Kill': [also 'Destroy']: "&#7936;&#960;&#959;&#954;&#964;&#949;&#8055;&#957;&#969;"; "apoktein&#333;"; meaning: "1) to kill in any way whatever; a) to destroy, to allow to perish; 2) metaph. to extinguish, abolish"

'Body': "&#963;&#8182;&#956;&#945;"; "s&#333;ma"; meaning "1) the body both of men or animals; a) a dead body or corpse; b) the living body; 1) of animals; 2) the bodies of planets and of stars (heavenly bodies); 3) is used of a (large or small) number of men closely united into one society, or family as it were; a social, ethical, mystical body; a) so in the NT of the church; 4) that which casts a shadow as distinguished from the shadow itself"

'Soul': "&#968;&#965;&#967;&#8053;"; "psych&#275;"; meaning "1) breath; a) the breath of life; 1) the vital force which animates the body and shows itself in breathing; a) of animals; b) of men; b) life; c) that in which there is life; 1) a living being, a living soul; 2) the soul; a) the seat of the feelings, desires, affections, aversions (our heart, soul etc.)"

'Hell': "&#947;&#8051;&#949;&#957;&#957;&#945;"; "geenna"; meaning "1) Hell is the place of the future punishment call "Gehenna" or "Gehenna of fire". This was originally the valley of Hinnom, south of Jerusalem, where the filth and dead animals of the city were cast out and burned; a fit symbol of the wicked and their future destruction."

P: [doctrines of devils] 1 Timothy 4:1

Q: [Jesus is the resurrection and the life] John 11:25

R: [man is mortal, mortality] Genesis 2:17; Job 4:17; Romans 6:12, 8:11; 1 Corinthians 15:53,54; 2 Corinthians 4:11, 5:4

S: [dust, clay, earthen] Genesis 1:24,25, 2:7,19, 3:14,19, 18:27; Job 4:19, 7:21, 10:9, 13:12, 17:16, 20:11, 21:26, 30:19, 33:6, 34:15, 40:13; Psalms 22:15,29, 30:9, 103:14, 104:29; Ecclesiastes 3:20, 12:7; Isaiah 26:19, 29:16, 41:25, 45:9, 64:8; Jeremiah 18:4,6; Lamentations 4:2; Daniel 12:2; Malachi 4:3; John 9:6,11,14,15; Romans 9:21; 2 Corinthians 4:7; 2 Peter 2:6

T: [God alone is inherently immortal] 1 Timothy 1:17, 6:14-16

U: [God alone has inherent unborrowed life, original, eternal] John 1:4

V: [nephesh / psych&#275;] "The traditional Christian concept of an immaterial and immortal soul separate from the body is not found in pre-exilic Judaism, but evolved as a result of interaction with Persian and Hellenistic philosophy.[1] Accordingly, the Old Testament Hebrew word nephesh, although translated as "soul" in some older Bibles, actually has a meaning closer to "living being". Nephesh was rendered in the Greek Septuagint (a translation of the Old Testament dating from the centuries immediately prior to the modern era) as psyche (&#968;&#965;&#967;&#942, the Greek word for soul. The New Testament also uses the word psyche, but with the Hebrew meaning and not the Greek.[2]

Genesis 2:7 gives the formula for creating a nephesh. According to this verse God did not make a body and put a soul into it like a letter into an envelope of dust; rather he formed man's body from the dust, then, by breathing divine breath into it, he made the body of dust live, i.e. the dust did not embody a soul, but it became a soul&#8212;a whole creature.[6] A dead body is not a nephesh. A living, conscious body is a nephesh.

The only Hebrew word traditionally translated "soul" (nephesh) in English language Bibles refers to a living, breathing conscious body, rather than to an immortal soul.[3] John Goldingay writes, "The life of a human being came more directly from God, and it is also evident that when someone dies, the breath (rûa&#7717;, e.g., Ps 104:29) or the life (nepe&#353;, e.g., Gen 35:18) disappears and returns to the God who is rûa&#7717;."[4]

In the New Testament, the Greek word traditionally translated "soul" (psyche) has substantially the same meaning as the Hebrew, without reference to an immortal soul.[5]

Man as Nephesh

The LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground,
and breathed into his nostrils the breath [neshemah] of life,
and the man became a living being/soul [nephesh]
&#8212;Genesis 2:7

Animals as Nephesh

Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. ... And whatever the man called each living creature [nephesh], that was its name. .&#8212;Genesis 2:19" [Wikipedia; "Soul In The Bible"] - Soul in the Bible - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"...The modern scholarly consensus is that the canonical teaching of the Old Testament made no reference to an "immortal soul" independent of the body.[174][175][176][177] This view is represented consistently in a wide range of scholarly reference works.[178][179][180][181][182][183]

...The mortalist disbelief in the existence of a naturally immortal soul,[1][5] is affirmed as biblical teaching by a range of standard scholarly Jewish and Christian sources. The Blackwell Encyclopedia of Modern Christian Thought (1995), says "There is no concept of an immortal soul in the Old Testament, nor does the New Testament ever call the human soul immortal.",[193] Harper's Bible Dictionary (1st ed. 1985), says that 'For a Hebrew, &#8216;soul&#8217; indicated the unity of a human person; Hebrews were living bodies, they did not have bodies",[194] the New Bible Dictionary&#8217; (3rd. ed. 1996), says "But to the Bible man is not a soul in a body but a body/soul unity",[195] the Encyclopedia of Judaism&#8217; (2000), says "Scripture does not present even a rudimentarily developed theology of the soul",[196] the New Dictionary of Theology&#8217; (2000), and "The notion of the soul as an independent force that animates human life but that can exist apart from the human body&#8212;either prior to conception and birth or subsequent to life and death&#8212;is the product only of later Judaism", [191] Eerdmans Dictionary of the Bible (2000), says "Far from referring simply to one aspect of a person, &#8220;soul&#8221; refers to the whole person",[197] the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia says "Possibly Jn. 6:33 also includes an allusion to the general life-giving function. This teaching rules out all ideas of an emanation of the soul.",[198] and "The soul and the body belong together, so that without either the one or the other there is no true man",[199] Eerdmans Bible Dictionary (1987), says "Indeed, the salvation of the &#8220;immortal soul&#8221; has sometimes been a commonplace in preaching, but it is fundamentally unbiblical.",[200] the Encyclopedia of Christianity (2003), says "The Hebrew Bible does not present the human soul (nepe&#353 or spirit (rûah) as an immortal substance, and for the most part it envisions the dead as ghosts in Sheol, the dark, sleepy underworld",[201] The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church (2005), says "there is practically no specific teaching on the subject in the Bible beyond an underlying assumption of some form of afterlife (see immortality)",[202] and the Zondervan Encyclopedia of the Bible (rev. ed. 2009), says "It is this essential soul-body oneness that provides the uniqueness of the biblical concept of the resurrection of the body as distinguished from the Greek idea of the immortality of the soul".[203][204]

The mortalist disbelief in the existence of a naturally immortal soul,[1][5] is also affirmed as biblical teaching by various modern theologians,[205][206][207][208][209][210][211][212][213] and Hebblethwaite observes the doctrine is "not popular amongst Christian theologians or among Christian philosophers today".[214]" [Wikipedia; Immortality of the Soul; Modern Scholarship] - Christian mortalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

One might also consider [an additional reference]:

http://www.truthaboutdeath.com/

http://www.pickle-publishing.com/papers/immortality.htm

http://www.pickle-publishing.com/papers/soul-and-spirit.htm

Pearls Trees Of Life; Death

Pearls Trees Of Life; Hell/Hellfire

[Wikipedia; "Annihilationism"] - Annihilationism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[Wikipedia; "Conditional Immortality"] - Christian conditionalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[Wikipedia; "Soul Death"] - Christian mortalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[Wikipedia; "Christian Mortalism"] - Christian mortalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

W: [mankind is created as "dust" + "breath of life" of God, neither of which we own, and is no different in that respect than the beasts, thus in the first death; returning to dust which we are, "breath of life" of God returns to God, for it is His, not ours] Genesis 2:7, 6:17; Job 34:14,15; Psalms 104:29; Ecclesiastes 8:8, 12:7; Acts 17:25

X: [Jesus, Himself says that the first death = "sleepeth"] Matthew 9:24; Mark 5:39; Luke 8:52; John 11:11

Y: [God raises the dead] John 2:19, 6:39,44,54; Acts 26:8; 1 Corinthians 6:14; 2 Corinthians 4:14; Hebrews 11:19

Z: [Fear/Reverence God] Ecclesiastes 12:13-14; Acts 5:29; Revelation 14:6-12

ivebeenshown said:

Some hold to 'soul sleep', that is, the notion that the soul is nothing more than the combined product of a material body and the animating Spirit of God -- so when someone dies, they 'sleep' until the resurrection.

Jesus said to not fear those who can kill the body but not the soul, but instead to fear him who can kill both body and soul in hell.

Question for those who believe in 'soul sleep':

If the heart is a vital part of the body and destroying it kills the body, wouldn't destroying the body kill the soul if the body were a vital part of the soul?

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The answer to your question would be yes. But in the text you are seeing 2 deaths being spoken about. Fear those who can kill only the body, this refers to the first death at which time, the bible describes those people to be sleeping. Sleeping awaiting the resurrection when the soul shall be brought back to life. In other words, the soul is not destroyed with the first death, it is described as sleeping because of the fact that there would be a resurrection. At the second death which takes place in hell where everything is destroyed, there is no coming back for the soul.

The text can also be read as, fear not those who could cause you to enter the first death but fear him who can cause you to face the second death.
At first death body is killed, spirit returns to God, soul "sleeps". At second death,body is eternally killed, spirit is no more, soul is eternally dead.

ivebeenshown said:

Some hold to 'soul sleep', that is, the notion that the soul is nothing more than the combined product of a material body and the animating Spirit of God -- so when someone dies, they 'sleep' until the resurrection.

Jesus said to not fear those who can kill the body but not the soul, but instead to fear him who can kill both body and soul in hell.

Question for those who believe in 'soul sleep':

If the heart is a vital part of the body and destroying it kills the body, wouldn't destroying the body kill the soul if the body were a vital part of the soul?

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I don't think people who subscribe to soul sleep believe the body is a vital part of the soul. I thought in 'soul sleep' ideology, the soul is the spirit of God which enlivens the body, and returns to God once the body has perished. Destroying the body would not destroy the soul, since the soul returns to God. In the resurrection, this 'soul', the divine breath, once again enters the body, making the person conscious again.

Alan Hooker said:

I don't think people who subscribe to soul sleep believe the body is a vital part of the soul. I thought in 'soul sleep' ideology, the soul is the spirit of God which enlivens the body, and returns to God once the body has perished. Destroying the body would not destroy the soul, since the soul returns to God. In the resurrection, this 'soul', the divine breath, once again enters the body, making the person conscious again.

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Well that's not correct. Where you mention the soul, it should actually be the spirit. The spirit returns to God and the spirit is the divine breath. The spirit and the body makes a living soul. Genesis 2:7.

PROPHECYKID said:

Well that's not correct. Where you mention the soul, it should actually be the spirit. The spirit returns to God and the spirit is the divine breath. The spirit and the body makes a living soul. Genesis 2:7.

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I agree with you - what I said was my impression of those who believed in 'soul sleep'. Granted, my understand is probably flawed, so I'm sorry on that front!

what you have descirbed in your OP is not soul sleep, it is conditional immortality. Soul sleep is the belief that there is a soul and that upon death it lies dormant and in an unconcious state until the ressurection of the body. the soul exists but does not go to heaven or hell right away.

icedragon101 said:

what you have descirbed in your OP is not soul sleep, it is conditional immortality. Soul sleep is the belief that there is a soul and that upon death it lies dormant and in an unconcious state until the ressurection of the body. the soul exists but does not go to heaven or hell right away.

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That is one of the reasons that "soul sleep" is a misnoma.

There is no such thing as an immortla part of you called a "soul". The bible is very cler the interim state is the grave until the rsurrection (Dan 12:2, John 5:28-29), but the interim state is the status as one of the 'rephaim' (shades, the weak) where death is not non existence, but is regarded as 'the weakest form of life' (Psalm 88:10, Job 3)

Jesus says this....

Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

The word for hell there is geenna, the next time we see soul and destroyed is here in relation to Jesus words (we are to hear)

Acts 3:23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

Who is He who said...

Mat 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off : it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

This doesnt appear to be talking about hades (which delivers up the dead in them). Again, the word hell (above) is geenna, which appears more compareable to the fire here

Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Which is called the second death (after the dead are delivered up from death and hades)

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Likewise in the verse earlier it says....

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
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So both death and hades (the grave) are cast into the lake of fire (called the second death). Howeverm its after death and hell (hades) has deliver up the dead in them. Then anyone not found in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire also.