Military insignia removed from Bibles

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Military emblems removed from Bibles

A group that monitors religious freedom violations in the armed forces claimed victory June 11 after the Pentagon announced that LifeWay Christian Resources can no longer use official emblems of the four military branches on Bibles sold at military installations around the globe.

Jerks.
 

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Maybe I'm naive but I spent 26 years in the military as a Christian and I don't ever remember seeing a Bible with a military insignia on it but I can assure you that whether or not a Bible had a military insignia on it did not add to nor detract from the truth of that Bible nor the use God put it to to draw people to Himself.
 
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Maybe I'm naive but I spent 26 years in the military as a Christian and I don't ever remember seeing a Bible with a military insignia on it but I can assure you that whether or not a Bible had a military insignia on it did not add to nor detract from the truth of that Bible nor the use God put it to to draw people to Himself.
Of course it didn't. That's not the point. The Pentagon in 2003 licensed the insignias of the four major services to LifeWay. If you've ever been in one of these stores, you might have seen the hip pocket sized Holman Christian Standard Bibles with those insignias on them. Now, the Pentagon has given into lightweight pressure from a allegedly "Establishment Clause" group which is actually an atheist group in disguise. These people have claimed the insignia emblazoned Bibles were a "national security risk" and a violation of the non-existent "Establishment Clause" of the First Amendment. The Pentagon folded -- a year ago. Only they just now told LifeWay about it.

I repeat: Jerks.
 
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Actually I read somewhere, regarding some of the USMC emblems and such, that they were going to be "protected" like copyright/trademark. There was a jarhead site/catalog, can't remember anymore, that said they were going to have to change up some of their t-shirt logos and such to reflect the new changes...maybe the guys at grunt.com but can't really remember except it was last year sometime.
 
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Amen...no need to mix Christ and killing other human beings.

Not that my opinion matters much, but I own one of these now banned Bibles and it's one of my favorites. It's quite compact and complete in canon (OT and NT). All that being said, the comment I've quoted offends me. I've never been much for making comments like the one I just made, but those of us (I am serving and have been for 10 yrs) who "kill other human beings" need Christ just as much as the rest of normal, non-murderous civility. Yes, it doesn't have to be done through military insignia branded Bibles, but I have personally handed out several of those to people who would not have taken a Bible otherwise, they took them just for the design and inside there are great speeches and what-not of military nature. While that may seem like it's a lost cause because they didn't take them to read the scriptures, maybe one day they will. Maybe they'll be saved from this Bible that was branded with branch insignia on them. So murders like me need Christ too, remember that when you're sleeping tonight. Your rights are being protected by murders like me.

Not to mention, the Bible doesn't condemn Soldiers anymore than anyone else who sins. Moses led conquests that killed people, Joshua did, all the judges did, David did, and then in the NT Soldiers asked John the Baptist what they should do to be righteous, the Soldiers who met Jesus and the Apostles, none of them were told to lay down their weapons because in God's eyes they were committing murder. So this comment is not only insensitive and insulting to those wearing the uniform, it is also unbiblical.
 
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I didn't mean any offense or disrespect. I have a lot of friends in the military and appreciate the job everyone...even the guys doing 25 Bravo, perform.

We all need Christ, and we've all sinned, I just don't think mixing the two is anything but a contradiction.

I don't find the concept to be unbiblical as you would put it, I find it actually quite biblical:

Luke 6:27
[ Love for Enemies ] “But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you,

Luke 22:50 And one of them struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his right ear. 51 But Jesus answered, “No more of this!” And he touched the man’s ear and healed him.
 
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I didn't mean any offense or disrespect. I have a lot of friends in the military and appreciate the job everyone...even the guys doing 25 Bravo, perform.

We all need Christ, and we've all sinned, I just don't think mixing the two is anything but a contradiction.

I don't find the concept to be unbiblical as you would put it, I find it actually quite biblical:

Luke 6:27
[ Love for Enemies ] “But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you,

Luke 22:50 And one of them struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his right ear. 51 But Jesus answered, “No more of this!” And he touched the man’s ear and healed him.

I agree, with you.

Jesus didn't fight back, he turned the other cheek. All men and women are sinners. No one could throw the first rock. We have all lied, cheated, or thought in wars. All men watch inappropriate content.

But having a military insignia on the Bible is like having inappropriate content on the Bible. It is just wrong and don't mix.
 
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I agree, with you.

Jesus didn't fight back, he turned the other cheek. All men and women are sinners. No one could throw the first rock. We have all lied, cheated, or thought in wars. All men watch inappropriate content.

But having a military insignia on the Bible is like having inappropriate content on the Bible. It is just wrong and don't mix.
So what does having that insignia on my wall do to my wall? Make it unclean? You and 98 have every right to your opinions. I served a little over 20 years defending those rights, so your opinions have men and women like me backing them up.

That said, your total lack of understanding of who Jesus is (He is not the pacifist you and 98 have mistakenly adopted as your image of Christ) renders you not just a critic, but a reviler of the brave men and women who have served to allow you to do just that.

Ironic, isn't it?
 
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The irony is only in facilitating the killing of enemies while following the God who told you to love them. I understand the need, I just don't understand the justification. Wars and killing and death are things of the world...things Christians are told to hate...yet we volunteer for it. Why? Is our country above our God?
 
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Military emblems removed from Bibles
A group that monitors religious freedom violations in the armed forces claimed victory June 11 after the Pentagon announced that LifeWay Christian Resources can no longer use official emblems of the four military branches on Bibles sold at military installations around the globe.

Jerks.

I don't see the value in using the military to sell Bibles or using Bibles to enhance the image (to aid in recruiting) of a branch of the Armed Forces. Having an insignia on a Bible implies an endorsement by that group. Believe it or not, the United States Armed Forces are not "God's Army".
 
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I don't see the value in using the military to sell Bibles or using Bibles to enhance the image (to aid in recruiting) of a branch of the Armed Forces. Having an insignia on a Bible implies an endorsement by that group. Believe it or not, the United States Armed Forces are not "God's Army".
If you don't know what the thread is about, why did you post? No one has said the Bibles are used in recruiting, and most assuredly they have not. People should actually read through a thread before jumping in with opinions that have no bearing on the discussion.

As to an "endorsement," the Bibles are made available through base exchanges for believers. No one else has to buy them or look at them if they don't want to. The Bible has been a comfort to armies throughout history, without anyone worrying about whether that military force has endorsed it or not. When people express opinions like this, I have to assume you know nothing about history, war or the Bible. You have exhibited far more political correctness than biblical knowledge here.
 
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that's a snide comment that I would expect from a non-Christian.

Christ and the angels will be worthy to judge you, humans are not worthy to judge others, that's the issue here.

the US was not worthy to judge Iraq of having weapons of mass destruction, they are not worth of judging anyone.

Mike, I think pgp_protector was pointing out that since Jesus Himself is a human being than His destruction of the wicked upon His return would, in fact, be a Human killing other humans.

Sometimes the lamp of the wicked MUST be put out. I believe God is using people to do just that all the time.

-LvB-
 
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I also see you're stationed in Fort Bragg...right down the street! :wave: I have a lot of friends stationed there!

Ft Bragg flashbacks~~We would travel to Bragg twice a year from Camp LeJeune..the Army would "host" us jarheads there for training. It was more fun at Bragg because the base is huge~~I was in artillery and the impact zone at LeJeune was like firing into a breadbox compared to Bragg's impact zone, plus often we'd get those parachute nuts dropping in on us at times ^_^
 
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