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No, you probably don't. But maybe you could consider what dogmas would we have if Pauline doctrine was discarded.
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Looking for a fight, God's Fighter?
I didn't think that was a elitist remark when the poster who listed all Pauline letters and stated that Romans was the "greatest exposition of the gospel in the NT". To me that's Pauline.
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Can I briefly laugh at the irony of "looking for a fight, God's Fighter?" ?
I could call you "methodist" in a derogatory sense. But I don't call people methodist, or pentecostal or mennonite, even though they disagree with me. I think the person was generally shocked you discard most of the NT Canon and was expressing his thoughts on Romans. Not to start a debate, but you called him Pauline without providing much of an explanation. Typically calling people by labels and presenting nothing else is elitist. I'm just trying to prevent a name calling thing.
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yeah, thought you would like that.
I have no idea why you would speak in a derogatory sense. Nor could you demean "Methodist" in a way that would upset me.
ISo, are you acting as interpreter, for I could easily read what was written, same as you did.
Anyone could see why I said Pauline, every letter was posted, with the remark on 'Romans'. Is Pauline a pejorative of some kind, for it seems to upset you.
Prevention!? oh, is that what you call it, ok then, prevent away.
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God's Fighter
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While your loyalty is admirable, the point was I *could* call you "methodist" in a negative way, as if it were inferior. Not that I see any reason to act denominational. Calling someone Pauline gave the impression you found them inferior or "other" or "weird". I've heard of the Pauline Letters/Epistles referred to, but I've never heard someone labeled pauline because they accept *all of the canon*. I could call you a heretic for not accepting the canon if I wanted to get religious about it and demonstrate elitism.
As for being upset, I'm not upset but I spotted something that didn't seem very Christ like. I expect you to do the same of me. Not stirred up in a rage, looking to fight.
And as for prevention, yes. Quickly addressing something and guiding the topic when something is said that could easily start a fire counts as prevention. But as smokey says: Only you can prevent forest fires.
As for being upset, I'm not upset but I spotted something that didn't seem very Christ like. I expect you to do the same of me. Not stirred up in a rage, looking to fight.
And as for prevention, yes. Quickly addressing something and guiding the topic when something is said that could easily start a fire counts as prevention. But as smokey says: Only you can prevent forest fires.
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Thigbee
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LL, I'm no "Pauline" either - calling me that is tantamount to saying I worship Paul, or consider Paul my Savior, or believe it was Paul who died for my sins, or that Paul was the incarnate Son of God, or that I was baptized in Paul's name - in other words to pronounce me a non-Christian.
On what basis you presume to denounce my Christian faith or assume any right to pejoratively call me a "Pauline?" I truly have no idea. I've certainly given you no reason whatsoever to judge my faith in Christ on ANY basis.
Questioning why you omit roughly half of the Christian New Testament is a fair and reasonable question - given the whole of the NT (and OT) is text of the Christian faith and has been for some 1800 years or more - but questioning why you omit so much of it is certainly not grounds for judging me not a Christian.
You apparently have issues with Paul and his writings. You apparently do not think them part of the inspired Word of God. I only say that on the basis of your response; maybe I'm wrong.
The dogmas we would have without his writings? Truthfully? The same "dogmas" we have with them. There's not an iota of Paul's teachings that either contradict or contravene anything Jesus said. To suggest otherwise is - in my opinion - blatantly wrong - and I won't take it any further than that here except to say I believe I have a veritable host of far more intelligent, faithful, wise, and knowledgeable Christians than I who would back me up.
I am a firm believer too in Psalm 119:160 - "The sum of Thy Word is truth; and every one of Thy righteous ordinances is everlasting." And that would include Paul's writings.
God bless,
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WinBySurrender
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Paul built solidly on the foundation of Christ to take the gospel to the Gentiles. Surely you don't reject that concept.
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The concept of a witness witnessing is what all followers of Christ are to do. Millions of ministers may be 100% inspired, but their work may not be 100% accurate to what Jesus taught. And that is where I'll leave it.
...to the Gentiles,.....and to kings,.....as well as to the people of Israel ( just like we are to do, right?)
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Paul had an amazing conversion experience, was visited by Jesus Himself, and you ignore a man anointed by Jesus, blessed by Jesus, to send the message to the gentiles???????
If you deny Paul's teachings, you are claiming Jesus is wrong for choosing Paul to have such a high calling. All of Paul's teachings are from Jesus, who sent Paul the Holy Spirit, who inspired Paul to write the letters to the church's.
There are only a few teachings from Paul, where he claims this teaching is of me, not the Spirit. So all of Paul's teachings come from Jesus, come from God, come from the Holy Spirit, THE MIGHT TRINITY, three in one.
Even apostle Peter, spoke of Paul's writings as scripture, and to do so, meant inspired writings of the Holy Spirit.
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WinBySurrender
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Jesus picked Paul, too. Ever hear of the Damascus Road Experience? You just quoted from it, and have failed to grasp it's meaning.
Examples?
Find one verse where Paul contradicts Jesus, please. Just one.
Few if any of your fellow Methodists believe that.
That's an appropriate question for you to answer, relative to the statement you made just before that.
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So ovisously I have heard the story. Then you say I have failed to learn from it, as do many other critics I run into. Oh well, as long as I follow Jesus' teachings I'll do just fine.
google it
Guess I better do as all others do, is what I hear.
I have answers, they come from the Gospels, ever hear of 'em? ( I too can be curt)
Remember the topic,, so what I believe and am questioned about what I believe has nothing to do with the topic.
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martinlb
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I'm surprised by that, LL.
It seems to me this thread has become combative (as is unfortunately typical), and I want to emphasize I'm not asking the following from a perspective other than curiosity. Rather than suggesting Googling it, I'm interested in your perspective and would love to have you show where you see Paul contradicting Jesus.
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And why is that? So you can argue your side of the fence and attack mine? I've played that game before martin, it doesn't end well.
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Wow. And when have you ever seen me do anything like that? I wasn't kidding when I said I was interested in your perspective. That came from a feeling of respect I've had for you and a - what now appears to have been mistaken - sense of connection.
I certainly don't feel any connection now, so there's no need to have any more to do with this part of the discussion in this thread.
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