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selfinflikted · Jun 26, 2012

AV1611VET said:
Real witches are in cahoots with someone you deny even exists; and in Old Testament times, they could conjure things you deny exists, from places you deny exists.

Yea. Exactly as I thought, AV. Those aren't real witches at all. Those are fictional characters one can read about in fairy tales.

AV1611VET · Jun 26, 2012

selfinflikted said:
Yea. Exactly as I thought, AV. Those aren't real witches at all. Those are fictional characters one can read about in fairy tales.

So you send us out to hunt down fictional characters ... what else is old?

Ubogion · Jun 26, 2012

We know witches are real, they are in the God's Holy word and God does not change.

AV1611VET · Jun 26, 2012

AV1611VETs said:
We know witches are real, they are in the God's Holy word and God does not change.

Like I said, they're a shell of what they used to be.

Ubogion · Jun 26, 2012

AV1611VET said:
Like I said, they're a shell of what they used to be.

and God still has not said not to Hunt them down. Evil is Evil and must be exterminated.

Mr Strawberry · Jun 26, 2012

AV1611VET said:
Like I said, they're a shell of what they used to be.

That's all that's standing between you and burning a lot of innocent women?

AV1611VET · Jun 26, 2012

AV1611VETs said:
and God still has not said not to Hunt them down. Evil is Evil and must be exterminated.

Well, like I said, I'm too busy right now on a crusade.

When I get back and get caught up on all my peace offerings and tresspass offerings and burnt offerings, I'll go look for one.

Care to join me?

AV1611VET · Jun 26, 2012

Mr Strawberry said:
That's all that's standing between you and burning a lot of innocent women?

I'll issue you the same challenge I issued MoonLancer (I believe it was):

You find 'burning witches' in the Bible.
You go out and get me a bona-fide New Testament witch and bring her to me, along with a court order for her execution.

... and I'll accommodate you.

mzungu · Jun 26, 2012

AV1611VET said:
I'll issue you the same challenge I issued MoonLancer (I believe it was):

You find 'burning witches' in the Bible.

You go out and get me a bona-fide New Testament witch and bring her to me, along with a court order for her execution.

... and I'll accommodate you.

Gladly:
Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. (Exodus 22:18 KJV)

Leviticus 20:27 "'A man or woman who is a medium or spiritist among you must be put to death. You are to stone them; their blood will be on their own heads.'"

More here: http://bible.cc/exodus/22-18.htm

I know that you specifically stated New Testament but Jesus did warn us not to deny the scriptures till the Earth and heavens PASS away. Notice I quoted the KJV. :wave:

mzungu · Jun 26, 2012

WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT...

WITCHCRAFT?

by Michael Sherif

In the past forty years, there has been a resurgent interest in witchcraft in all its multifaceted guises. The main thrust has been presenting witchcraft as an innocent, entertaining subject in literature and in movies.
As usual 95% of Christians fail to use discernment, yield to media manipulation, and embrace this sugar coated siren of witchcraft along with the deluded mass of the population little heeding a wide array of Biblical admonitions not to open the door to Satan who comes to devour as a roaring lion. Jesus said to Peter, Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to have you, to sift you like wheat (Luke 22:31) and thats exactly what Satan will do if we dont ask before reading a book, watching a movie, entering a relationship or pursuing any course of action What would Jesus do?
Witchcraft involves the manipulation of the demonic host, through incantations and the casting of spells. Witchcraft can also involve communication with demonic spirits impersonating the dead. The Bible clearly teaches that the dead cannot communicate with the living as there is a great chasm separating the dead from the living (Luke 16:26). As discarnate spirit entities these demons possess knowledge regarding the activities of humans and have a limited to ability to foretell the future.
Here are a few of the scriptures regarding witchcraft:
The Old and New Testaments treat witchcraft as an evil, rebellious, and loathsome practice. Those who practiced it were not tolerated. Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live, (Exodus 22:18).
Moses cautioned the children of Israel: When you enter the land the Lord your God is giving you, do not learn to imitate the detestable way of the nations there. Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord, and because of these detestable practices the Lord your God will drive those nations before you. You must be blameless before the Lord your God.The nations you will dispossess listen to those who practice sorcery or divination. But as for you, the Lord has not permitted you to do so (Deuteronomy 18:9-14).
With respect to the evil kind Manasseh who reigned in Jerusalem fifty five years the Bible states: He did evil in the eyes of the Lord, followed the detestable practices of the nations the Lord had driven out before the Israelites (2 Chronicles 33:2). He sacrificed his sons in the fire in the Valley of Ben Hinnom, practiced sorcery, divination and witchcraft, and consulted mediums and spiritists. He did much evil in the eyes of the Lord, provoking him to anger (2 Chronicles 33:6).
When Samuel reproved King Saul, he compared rebellion to the sin of divination and arrogance like the evil of idolatry. Witchcraft includes both divination and idolatry. For rebellion is like the sin of divination, and arrogance like the evil of idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the Lord, he has rejected you as king (1 Samuel 23). If Saul was rejected by God for rebellion and arrogance so will a modern day person who practices or permits himself or herself to be entertained by witchcraft and idolatry.
The Living Bible clearly addresses the fate of those who delve or as C. S. Lewis labeled lust for the occult: The Lord has rejected you because you welcome foreigners from the East who practice magic and communicate with evil spirits (Isaiah 2:6). Crawl into the caves in the rocks and hide in terror from his glorious majesty, for the day is coming when your proud looks will be brought low; the Lord alone will be exalted. On that day the Lord of Hosts will move against the proud and haughty and bring them to dust All the glory of mankind will bow low; the pride of men will like in the dust, and the Lord alone will be exalted. And all idols will be utterly abolished and destroyed (Isaiah 2:10-18).
Paul in Galatians 5:19-21 ascribes witchcraft as a deed of the flesh. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy, drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. It is interesting to note that Pauls warning is to the churches of Galatia whose members are already Christians. They are warned that by engaging in sinful conduct they would not inherit the kingdom of God. The warning is to those who have accepted Christ. The modern day Christian who is entertained or allows his or her children to be entertained and/or participate in the works of the flesh, which includes witchcraft, should give serious heed to this warning.
White magic and black magic are not acceptable in Christianity and there is no such thing as cheap grace. Christ died on the cross to forgive us for our sins, yet there is no excuse to take sin lightly. Engaging in any sin including sorcery opens one to demonic oppression and with persistent sinful conduct possession.
One cannot rationalize that one is not engaged in witchcraft but merely being entertained by books or movies whose characters participate in witchcraft, even though the protagonists are good witches.
The protagonist Harry Potter in the best selling Harry Potter series of books and current movie attends Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry to become a wizard. Harry and his friends are taking classes in casting spells, magical drafts and potions, transfiguration, history of magic, magical theory etc They are learning to become good wizards and witches. Evil is represented by the Dark Side, reminiscent of the Dark Side of the Force in Star Wars, and embodied (or disembodied and seeking to re-embody) in Voldemort, the evil wizard who killed Harrys parents.
Harry is characterized as an average boy who has been oppressed by his very normal aunt and uncle and his cousin, reminiscent of Cinderellas oppression at home. The very normal family members are exaggeratedly oppressive.
From a Christian paradigm the problem with Harry is that salvation from his predicament comes from leaving home learning witchcraft, a condemned practice. Children interact with ghosts such as the Friar and Professor Binns, a ghost who teaches the History of Magic. Professor Binns was a very old professor who had fallen asleep by a staff room fire and went to teach the next morning, leaving his body behind.
Christianity teaches that witchcraft, even charming, candy coated witchcraft, is evil and that redemption only comes through Jesus Christ and certainly not from the occult. Communication with the dead is actually communication with demons or fallen angels. Casting spells is prohibited.
In Christianity, salvation does not come through witchcraft but by accepting the Son of God. Good is what is of God and comes from worshiping Him. Innocent or mechanical witchcraft is still witchcraft and as such dark. Exposing ones children to a heavy dose of the supernatural, even if portrayed through the activities of appealing characters, is not acceptable. The siren call of the occult in childrens movies and cartoons can be appealing. Poltergeists, ghosts, flying broomsticks, werewolves, vampires, witches, giants, bats, goblins, haunted hallways may be captivating but they can instill a spirit of fear. They can certainly be dark and heavy and exposure to the occult can be addictive. This writer is a case in point having been involved in séances, palmistry, astrology and eastern meditation prior to accepting Jesus Christ. Interest in the occult started with late night Chiller movies and supernatural comic books.
Aside from a dark supernatural dimension there is the good supernatural dimension represented by the Heavenly Kingdom (God, His cherubim and the angelic host). For the most part this good supernatural dimension is rarely portrayed in childrens cartoons or recent popular literature. How often do we see angels on Saturday morning cartoons? The elves in the Lord of the Rings are such angelic type beings who frighten Saurons Black Riders pursuing Frodo.
Parents have a responsibility to screen what their children watch. Studies have shown that children and adults who watch regular violence on the screen become desensitized to it. The same applies with intensive exposure to the occult. Jesus said, Temptations to sin are sure to come; but woe to him by whom they come! It would be better for him if a millstone were hung round his neck and he were cast into the sea, than that he should cause one of these little ones to sin (Luke 17:1-2).
So what can be said of the Christian entertained by the occult? The analogy can be drawn to the person who is not engaged in immoral sex but is being entertained by inappropriate contentographic books or magazines. There is no such thing as a Christian voyeur. What is sinful to a child is sinful to an adult. Christ does not respect the adult bookstore nor the adult voyeur. Those who deal in darkness will be engulfed by it. Poison is poison. A little recreational poison can be as lethal as a lot of poison from the hand of an assassin. There is no such thing as a recreational séance (channeling session).
For all those who have engaged in sinful conduct including occult or sexual voyeurism there is only one avenue for cleansing, nothing less than the atoning blood of Jesus. Both the non Christian and the Christian need to repent of their sins by asking God to forgive them. The non Christian needs to invite Jesus through a simple prayer to take charge of his/her life (Jesus I accept your sacrifice for me on the cross. Forgive me for my sins. Please come into my life and take charge. Help me walk in your light).
Take a lesson from the sorcerers and witches who came to a saving knowledge of Christ in Acts 19:19, And many of those who practiced magic brought their books together and began burning them in the sight of all; and they counted up the price of them and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver. All occult objects should be destroyed as these items are vehicles or windows for occult activity and oppression. They are literally magnets, which draw the demonic host.
God is not an evil God. He is not vengeful, but in the Bible he has given us a mechanics manual for our well being. If we insist on placing lemonade in our engine instead of oil well destroy it. If we dont obey Gods admonitions against witchcraft, sexual conduct and promiscuity, rage, envy, and substance abuse well destroy our bodies and condemn our souls for eternity. You may not believe in God, but violation of his principles will nevertheless bring destruction. Witchcraft may be very alluring and comforting for you. It may give you success and power. It may give you the warm fuzzies. Nevertheless its evil and dangerous just as the serpent was to Adam and Eve in the Garden.
For those who have had extensive occult involvement including the actual practice of witchcraft it would be advisable to seek the counsel of a pastor of a spirit filled Christ centered church involved in the deliverance ministry. Keep in mind that you have power over all demonic principalities in the name of Jesus once you have accepted Christ as your personal Savior and are covered by His blood (Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name Luke 10:17).

Naraoia · Jun 26, 2012

Wiccan_Child said:
Yup. Genetics is fascinating, but I'm out of my depth!

So am I, to be honest

I'm not sure I have a depth any more. Reverse Dunning-Kruger effect?

Which ones are those?

Since I work on a polychaete worm, my two main go-to genomes are currently these two lophotrochozoans. Eventually I'll expect to make use of all kinds of creatures with hard parts, though I'm kind of stranded without my own sequence data to compare

For my Honours project, I had to mine a lot of different animals, almost anything with Hox genes that we could get our hands on. So besides a lot of trawling through Genbank, I had the (mis)fortune to meet the sea urchin, planarian, water flea and random-nematode-that-isn't-C.elegans genomes. Have to say that part of my dislike of almost everything outside Ensembl was probably an effect of my newbieness. I can actually navigate other interfaces without getting totally confused now, but Ensembl is still the prettiest

sfs said:
I think position effects are pretty common in gene expression, so I would expect at least some genes to have altered expression levels simply because of the new location of the centromere and the loss of two telemeres. But that's very general and vague, and I have no clue about what the specific effects would have been.

That's a good point.

Elias526 said:
How can you tell an intelligent gene from a dumb gene? Do they get more A's? Sorry I could not resist.

Haha, good one!

(A pity there is no "F" in DNA!)

Angeldove97 · Jul 3, 2012

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Well I searched on google for "why We didn't evolve from monkeys" and was surprised to find a lot of evolutionist stuff and not creationist stuff as expected. Along with that horrible guy Dawkins I found this (Google "Why We Did Not Evolve from Monkeys: Human Common Ancestry explained" - I can't link to it for some reason) where the guy amazingly claims that we didn't evolve from monkeys and that scientists have never said that! He (Connor Davidson) claims this is a misconception. Is that true? OR is that just scientists having different ideas and this guy just having his own interpretation.

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AndrewRyan · Aug 15, 2012

kerryann123 said:
First of all I am not a scientist - so don't get all that technical with me.

Well I searched on google for "why We didn't evolve from monkeys" and was surprised to find a lot of evolutionist stuff and not creationist stuff as expected. Along with that horrible guy Dawkins I found this (Google "Why We Did Not Evolve from Monkeys: Human Common Ancestry explained" - I can't link to it for some reason) where the guy amazingly claims that we didn't evolve from monkeys and that scientists have never said that! He (Connor Davidson) claims this is a misconception. Is that true? OR is that just scientists having different ideas and this guy just having his own interpretation.

Though the thing I want you to help me debunk is the bit about the genes joining up. I know evolution can be disproved by complexity of life and the eye etc but I don't have a response to the genetic arguments. I was hoping someone could explain the truth about this so I can have something to argue against the evolutionists with. I don't want to look stupid.

Though I have to say he is quite polite until the end where he makes fun of Sheri Sheppard and creationists by implying that we are stupid. Jesus teaches us to be tolerant of others and not to call people stupid because we disagree with them. He is just a little bit better than Dawkins at this in my opinion.

Basically what I am saying is what is wrong with the arguments? What response could I give to people who agree with this?

May god bless you and guide you on your quest for knowedge and truth

[BIBLE]Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.[/BIBLE]

- Kerry Ann

Dawkins isn't a horrible person

Wiccan_Child · Aug 16, 2012

AndrewRyan said:
Dawkins isn't a horrible person

Ah, but if they can prove that he is, that would mean that atheism/evolution/abortion is wrong! ^_^

SkyWriting · Aug 19, 2012

sandwiches said:
That's a nice human-inspired idea... If only there was a way to see if it's true or not or even more valid than any other human-inspired idea.

There are books on that:

Amazon.com: "that demands a verdict" - Paperback: Books

MichaelSGreen · Aug 23, 2012

GOD created it all!

Blayz · Aug 23, 2012

Naraoia said:
Have to say that part of my dislike of almost everything outside Ensembl was probably an effect of my newbieness. I can actually navigate other interfaces without getting totally confused now, but Ensembl is still the prettiest

Biomart is the best retrieval engine out there, but ENSEMBL are cowboys when it comes to annotation. Sadly UCSC are too conservative. When you start working with real organisms I'd go with ENCODE, if you don't mind updating your annotation every month.

J0hnSm1th · Aug 24, 2012

Whats with all the 'witch burning' debate? Take it to a different thread please.

mzungu · Aug 24, 2012

Wiccan_Child said:
Ah, but if they can prove that he is, that would mean that atheism/evolution/abortion is wrong!

Not to mention that sending demonic vehicles to other planets is wrong too! ^_^

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