once saved always saved

sin has no power, where there is The Blood of Christ, if sin could wash away the Blood of Christ and it's effect then, could the Blood of Christ have washed away the sin and it's effects? think of paint, even if paint has stained something, paint thinner will take the stain away, but if the paint thinner is present then paint can not stain, where there is no law, we are no longer under the law, but under Grace, so where there is no law there is no sin. Jesus died for "ALL" sin,( past, present and future) you better believe that this is correct, for "ALL" of us and our sins were after/future His death. Sin will not cause one to lose their salvation,
again I post, that Jesus taught the disciples to pray on a daily basis give us this day our daily bread, forgive us our debts/trepasses/sins. but who are we asking for forgiveness from? OUR FATHER WHO ART IN HEAVEN! His is still OUR FATHER, even though we stand in sin and in need of Him to forgive us(daily), He is still OUR FATHER( we are still His Children! the relationship was not severed due to our short comings, we have a Chastening Father who loves us, if there is no conviction/chastening then there is no FATHER.
Love God with all we have, if we love God with all we have, then we will want to please Him, we will want to put Him first in our life even over Our wants/desires. If we truely love Him then, what pleases Him will please us, old things pass away, "ALL" thing become new. if we truely love Him we will truely love one another for this pleases OUR FATHER , who art in heaven.


1 John 2:1-6
2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
KJV

every purpose, every thought of Jesus the Christ was to please the Father, to bring Glory to His Father and His kingdom. so does it even matter if sin will cause us to lose our salvation or not? what should matter is if I do this will it please my Father! so your thought process should change from: If I sleep with my boyfriend/girlfriend will I get punished. But rather think: if I do this will I please the Father?

snoblind said:

Your patience in this discussion is commendable

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I agree and I appreciate it.

DCJazz said:

Sins are harmful, usually of varying degrees, but that's not why it's a sin, like you said. So I agree. The most harmful aspect of it is that it separates us from God if we aren't saved through Christ.

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Sinners are already seperated from God. They were never united with God.

And why would a sinner want to be united with God, anyway?

Sin isn't harmful because it hurts others or because it seperates us from God.

It's harmful because it impugns the nature and character of God.

Publius said:

Sinners are already seperated from God. They were never united with God.

And why would a sinner want to be united with God, anyway?

Sin isn't harmful because it hurts others or because it seperates us from God.

It's harmful because it impugns the nature and character of God.

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Sin may harm the fellowship but it will never harm the relationship!


Romans 8:35-39
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
KJV

Publius said:

Sinners are already seperated from God. They were never united with God.

And why would a sinner want to be united with God, anyway?

Sin isn't harmful because it hurts others or because it seperates us from God.

It's harmful because it impugns the nature and character of God.

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I'm afraid all three are true, not just the last one.

Romans 5:8-11
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
KJV


think upon this, "while we were yet/still sinners" this is saying that at sometime God saw us as sinners. and He commended His Love toward us while we were sinners, but now we are justified, reconciled and atoned, then before this we were yet sinners in the Eyes of God, but yet also means that there is a time that, He no longers sees us as sinners. Have all Christians become perfect or sinfree, are we all mutured that God no longers sees sin? No, however just as the pasover when He sees the Blood of The Lamb of God, His wrath will pass over, and just as Israel was excused from the curse of every first borned male Child will die, so are we excused from the wages of sin is death. Rather we have been blessed, but the gift of God is eternal Life through Jesus Christ, so all you who teaches that sin as the same effect of a person without Christ as it does to all those that are now children of God through Christ. Think upon this We have been blessed as being Children of God and whatever God blesses no man can curse, "When I see the Blood I will passover!

Publius said:

Sinners are already seperated from God. They were never united with God

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Christ came not to comdemn neither should you my friend.

And why would a sinner want to be united with God, anyway?

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God has given every man a measure /equal portion of faith, faith cometh by hearing, conviction of knowing the wages of sin is death, is why a sinner would come to God, knowing that God hath provided a better way, a better place, is why sinners would come to God. it is by grace you are saved through faith, not that of your righteousness, unless that is that you have accepted the righteousness of Christ the Righteous One

Sin isn't harmful because it hurts others or because it seperates us from God.

It's harmful because it impugns the nature and character of God

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<staff edit>but as far as the God of the Bible, sin can not touch Him or His nature, niether can sin touch one of His Children, have you not read Romans 6, where as sin has no dominion/power over us. Why, would you possible think that sin would have power over God or His nature? Christ has set me free. <staff edit>, yes I am free to live as I please now, but being I child of God, a true Child of God, would live to please the Father. so yes I can live the way I want once I have been saved, but if I am saved I wouldn't want to live like I did when I was yet a sinner! old thing pass away, all things become new

Publius said:

Sinners are already seperated from God. They were never united with God.

And why would a sinner want to be united with God, anyway?

Sin isn't harmful because it hurts others or because it seperates us from God.

It's harmful because it impugns the nature and character of God.

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Sinners are already separated from Yahweh God because of sin. There is an inherited fallen nature, and all with that start making choices that are sinful very early.

To answer what is asked as far as I can, all have a place and need for good relationship with their maker whether or not it is acknowledged. It is in coming to Christian faith, as God through his Spirit leads, that this is possible. And so sin is harmful in that is what separates from relationship with God, its conseqence is with harm to self and others, and it is offensive to Yahweh God, although he is never lessened from that or anything. Sin is bad with such harm in those things and possibly more not thought of besides.

But in Christ sin is overcome, it never fails in Christ, so sin does not remove that.

snoblind said:

Your patience in this discussion is commendable

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thank you...

His_disciple3 said:

Romans 5:8-11
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
KJV


think upon this, "while we were yet/still sinners" this is saying that at sometime God saw us as sinners. and He commended His Love toward us while we were sinners, but now we are justified, reconciled and atoned, then before this we were yet sinners in the Eyes of God, but yet also means that there is a time that, He no longers sees us as sinners. Have all Christians become perfect or sinfree, are we all mutured that God no longers sees sin? No, however just as the pasover when He sees the Blood of The Lamb of God, His wrath will pass over, and just as Israel was excused from the curse of every first borned male Child will die, so are we excused from the wages of sin is death. Rather we have been blessed, but the gift of God is eternal Life through Jesus Christ, so all you who teaches that sin as the same effect of a person without Christ as it does to all those that are now children of God through Christ. Think upon this We have been blessed as being Children of God and whatever God blesses no man can curse, "When I see the Blood I will passover!

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Yahoo !!!!!

His_disciple3 said:

Christ came no to condemn and neither should you.

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I'm not. I'm just pointing out that the Bible teaches that the unregenerant are made enemies of God by their sin and, as a result, are not united with Him.

Publius said:

I'm not. I'm just pointing out that the Bible teaches that the unregenerant are made enemies of God by their sin and, as a result, are not united with them.

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All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. We are therefore Christ's ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ's behalf: Be reconciled to God. 2 Corinthians 5:18-20

We are reconciled to God by the hope held out in the gospel (Good News)

Lindas Place said:

All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. We are therefore Christ's ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ's behalf: Be reconciled to God. 2 Corinthians 5:18-20

We are reconciled to God by the hope held out in the gospel (Good News)

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The Unregenerate are not reconciled to God through Christ, nor do they have the ministry of reconcilation. They are enemies of God.

Publius said:

The Unregenerate are not reconciled to God through Christ, nor do they have the ministry of reconcilation. They are enemies of God.

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Those who believe the good news are reconciled to Christ... in fact, we receive His Spirit the moment we believe the good news... that Christ died for our sins, He was buried, He was ressurrected... Good News indeed.

Lindas Place said:

Those who believe the good news are reconciled to Christ... in fact, we receive His Spirit the moment we believe the good news... that Christ died for our sins, He was buried, He was ressurrected... Good News indeed.

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The unregenerate do not believe the Good News and are not reconciled to Christ.

Publius said:

The unregenerate do not believe the Good News and are not reconciled to Christ.

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Those who do not believe Christ died for their sins... who reject His gift of eternal life with Him... hard to believe anyone would reject such LOVE...

Lindas Place said:

Those who do not believe Christ died for their sins... who reject His gift of eternal life with Him... hard to believe anyone would reject such LOVE...

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God has not offered the unregenerate the gift of eternal life with Him.

Hi littleluna

the eternal salvation is really eternal, but this, who received it already and who not yet?, i can not say, to me personally it is so that the true God only knows, else in principle i do not hate any of the human/soul beings, even many of them are bad, i always try to be good seeking the complete salvation of the true Lord God for all people/souls, but all successes are thanks to the true God and Jesus, because namely They actuate all good things which occur, i am only a puppet, so, the purpose in the faith is the spiritual servants to work for the complete salvation for eternal life to all human/soul beings regardless of any factors and circumstances

Blessings

Publius said:

God has not offered the unregenerate the gift of eternal life with Him.

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Who does the Father choose to spend eternity with Him?

John 12:32
But I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself."
John 3:16
1"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
1 John 2:2
He [Jesus] is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
2 Corinthians 5:19
that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.
John 16:8-9
When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment: in regard to sin, because men do not believe in me;

Who chooses to spend eternity with the Father?

John 1:12
Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in (JESUS) his name, he gave the right to become children of God—
1 John 5:13
I write these things to you who believe in (JESUS) the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.
John 3:18
Whoever believes in (JESUS) him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.
Acts 10:43
All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in (JESUS) him receives forgiveness of sins through his name."
11 As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in (JESUS)him will never be put to shame."
12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on (JESUS) him,
13 for, "Everyone who calls on (JESUS) the name of the Lord will be saved."
Luke 11:13
If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask (JESUS) him!"
Matthew 7:8
For everyone who asks (JESUS) receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.
Revelation 22:17
The Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" And let him who hears say, "Come!" Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him TAKE THE FREE GIFT of the water of life.

Lindas Place said:

Who does the Father choose to spend eternity with Him?

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Those He draws.

Who chooses to spend eternity with the Father?

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On their own? Nobody.