SolomonVII said:Seventh century solutions for twenty-first century problems, to my mind, will have no positive effect.
That's an interesting bit of logic you've got there. To what other questions do you think that could be applied.
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SolomonVII said:Seventh century solutions for twenty-first century problems, to my mind, will have no positive effect.
What's wrong with them being a Theocracy? Doesn't seem to be much of a problem for our good friend Israel.
When I hear of states being officialy Jewish, Muslim, or Christian (or any other religion) it makes me think they are still stuck back in the dark ages in that regard. I guess I was brought up with the American idea of separation of Church and state so I always have a strong reaction against examples of governmental religious establishment.
Like the Church of England, paid for with taxes?
Looking to the Koran as the solution will likely not have any desirable effects on the lethargic economy. Seventh century solutions for twenty-first century problems, to my mind, will have no positive effect.
And it is not as if the people of that region are not religious enough already. so it won't even raise the morality standard up to where that might have an effecteven if Islam actually does have that kind of effect.
Often that kind of situation of deteriorating economy will have people looking for scapegoats to explain why God is still not shining on them, and the Copts are as good a target as any in that regard.
[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But, throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say "you helped this happen." Jerry Falwell on the 9/11 tragedy
GOP, whatever else it might be, is not in any way comparable to the MB.Indeed! That is why it is hard to see the U.S. GOP playing off of 1st century (and earlier) discussion points rather than modern reality. But that's what everyone is facing: resurgent theocrats.
No, I never really said that. I have no proof that it does raise the moral standards of a people, and that is what I said.So are you saying islam doesn't provide a "morality"? Interesting.
Yes, it is a different moral system than the Judeo-Christian system of America. Mohammed claims it to be a command from God.While it is clearly different from the morality Christians prefer, it is a command from the almighty creator of the universe. The one and only god of the universe, right?
Christians and Jews have their doubts about that as much as secularists do.
There is only one God according to all the monotheistic systems. Most monotheists don't understand the others to be worshipping the wrong God, but see the worship of others as incorrect to some extent or the other.oh, but wait, they are worshipping the WRONG one god of the universe, aren't they?
Then there are others that believe that the others are Satanic, although that was not taught by Mohammed, nor is it the most common stance of Christians or Jews towards the one or the other.
I guess.So the idea of blaming outlier parts of society cuts across all religions I guess.
That's an interesting bit of logic you've got there. To what other questions do you think that could be applied.
GOP, whatever else it might be, is not in any way comparable to the MB.
Then will you agree that Christianity provides no proof of raising the moral standard of people?No, I never really said that. I have no proof that it does raise the moral standards of a people, and that is what I said.
Is that why we have repeated calls for posting the 10 Commandments in public places in the U.S.?Yes, it is a different moral system than the Judeo-Christian system of America. Mohammed claims it to be a command from God.
Christians and Jews have their doubts about that as much as secularists do.
Of all the problems facing America right now, I would put becoming a theocracy as a less serious threat than being taken over by Martians.]Oh I agree, but theocracy and the road to theocracy is paved very similarly no matter which "theo" is behind it.
Likewise, a return to the ways of the Roman Empire are not an overriding concern.I was commenting on the current U.S. trend to think in terms only of those issues which are problematic from a 1st century or earlier dogma. As compared to the earlier post that 7th century thinking has no bearing on the modern world.
No.Then will you agree that Christianity provides no proof of raising the moral standard of people?
The horror!!Is that why we have repeated calls for posting the 10 Commandments in public places in the U.S.?
Yes, that is the point!!The point being: I have no doubt that the MB is going to be a nightmare for Egypt not unlike the Taliban are for Afghanistan...unless of course the Egyptian military keeps their control (which appears quite likely).
The chances of Egypt becoming a Christian theocracy are even remote that Martians taking over America.And I find the move to a theocracy repellent. But I find it repellent from any religious P.O.V.
I wouldn't question your logic on that, as mine has been for saying exactly the same sort of thing.Religious fervor is not the basis for a government.
I have no idea if that is true or not.Islam, per se, is no more or less a bad choice for government than Christianity.
The same can be said for any group of people. Scapegoating is a human trait. Rene Girard has some very good writings on the role that Judaism and especially Christianity have played in exposing this universal phenomena.And Christians are no less prone to "scapegoat" than Muslims.
More importantly, we'll see how it works out for the Israelis
Hi, Touma.More importantly?
Oh yeah, I forgot...The Egyptians are North African Arabs. We don't care what happens to them.
Hi, Touma.
I believe Mach may have been referring to the fact that the Muslim Brotherhood in its various guises has repeatedly called for the annihilation of the state of Israel.
That's a fairly serious matter ...
Hi, Touma.
I believe Mach may have been referring to the fact that the Muslim Brotherhood in its various guises has repeatedly called for the annihilation of the state of Israel.
That's a fairly serious matter ...
Could it be our President's Muslim roots?Egypt's secular forces condemn US support for Muslim Brotherhood candidate
Why were we backing those guys, anyway?
It's a good thing, someone has a modicum of sense ...Yeah, and it is well known that the military council is still ruling over the country, despite the election. Smoke and mirrors, that election is. Both candidates belong to SCAF. Do you think the military is going to relive some of their past defeats? I hardly think so.
I don't recall indicating that I was scared. Can you point me to that?So be scared all you want.
Or ... you're just in denial?You're just making yourself look silly.
Could it be our President's Muslim roots?
Can I get a HALLELUJAH!What "support" is this, exactly?
And of course it must be due to Obama's super-secret Muslim roots! The man practically faces Mecca every time he gives a press conference.
He's not Christian enough!!! We need him to invoke the powerful name of JESUS every 5 words! Otherwise he's prone to lapse back into MUSLIMISM!
Oh the musselman, Obama! Forsooth! We know he's from Kenya and we know he's a super-secret stealth moslem!
I demand, no, I SCREECHINGLY DEMAND my representative and congressperson back a bill COMMANDING the president of the U.S. to repeatedly avow his undying devotion to Jesus Christ.
He must continually say "Jesus is my savior!" and he must continually blaspheme the name of the prophet in order for me to believe he's even marginally Chrisitian enough for MY COUNTRY!
The U. S. of A.
God bless America!
Could it be our President's Muslim roots?