How should we then live concerning gays?
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That's just it zaac, I actually go where the truth leads me. Not having a little closed mind with anger issues.
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Scripture does reveal one's root.
Good job laying it bare for others to see.
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A Christian should be afraid of seeing in a different "light".
As for implications from what is written in scripture, that isn't twisting. Jesus used it quite well (Matt 22:32). If what you are teaching contradicts what is written (whether it is spelled out exactly or not) you have contradicted scripture. And you must really hate Paul who used implications from scripture all the time (Example 1 Tim 2:12,13).
Homosexuality is a reflection Sodom and Gomorrah's sinfulness.... which includes much more than homosexuality. They fully embraced the self and the flesh... just as you are teaching on this very thread.
The desires of the flesh are not from God... but from the world (1 John 2:15,16). So far all of your teaching in this thread is embracing the world. By implication, you cannot be embracing the Father as the world's desires are not from Him.
"For the sorrow that is according to the will of God produces a repentance without regret, leading to salvation, but the sorrow of the world produces death." 2 Cor 7:10
One needs to be ashamed of one's actions in order to repent. There is no salvation without being ashamed of one's actions.
Why is your teaching the opposite of what the Bible teaches?
so, homosexuals are people, people marry, then homosexuals should be able to marry.
I haven't seen any homosexuals today, would you settle for one anti-christ. ( have a mirror handy)
As already pointed out, your logic here allows anything that a person does to be upheld.
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Your "truth" doesn't lead to the Bible, let alone come from it like it should 'if' you are a Christian. I wonder why that is?
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Scripture is a mirror in whose reflection the individual sees himself reflected. People who don't like what they see are the ones who howl in protest. They dedicate themselves to smashing as many mirrors as they can find.
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If one's "truth" doesn't line up with Biblical teachings...it is false doctrine and simply self worship with ZERO merit.
Might as well stand in the mirror and worship the image...it aint Christianity, that's for sure.
Might as well stand in the mirror and worship the image...it aint Christianity, that's for sure.
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Everything that is of God bears fruit. If it is not of God it does not bear fruit. That is OT and NT theology. Be fruitful and multiply is also an OT and NT theology. Things that are not of God are not blessed and it does not multiply. This applies to both physical human family and spiritual church family as well.
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I do not think that God purposely created gays,lesbians,bi sexuals and transexuals/transgenderd, people. He does allow them to be for a reason. Science is finding more information concerning this every year. If it weren't for science we wouldn't know why males even have nipples. The reason males have nipples is because we all start out female in the womb. Only when the pregnant woman's body decides to add certain hormones to the fetus does it alter it into becoming male. Every once in a while, a component/s of this fetus is not fully aquired by the male producing hormones.
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I have to ask, doesn't all things come from God and it's man the corrupts the things which had been given?
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When man/eve sinned in the garden creation was put under a curse. Things aren't what they should be. Even creation like us, groans to be delivered.
Roman 8:22We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.
But take the eunuch situation. Some think just because a persons genitalia being either different or absent, that it is up to us to determine its meaning and make it mean what we want it to mean. Ppl have gotten so far from the truth and are trying so hard to make truth fit what they want.
Matthew 19:12
For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”
God created some to stay single also....not to try and make things the way they want. But they don't know God, so they don't know this.
Roman 8:22We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.
But take the eunuch situation. Some think just because a persons genitalia being either different or absent, that it is up to us to determine its meaning and make it mean what we want it to mean. Ppl have gotten so far from the truth and are trying so hard to make truth fit what they want.
Matthew 19:12
For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”
God created some to stay single also....not to try and make things the way they want. But they don't know God, so they don't know this.
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For one's self... most definately (2 Cor 13:5).
But also examine everything and everyone (1 Thess 5:21).
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I don't want to take the time to read all the replies to the original OP, but I will say that gay people, whether male or female, are no different in the eyes of God than any other sinner. Sin, no matter what shape or size is a gross violation of God's Holy Standard and is viewed as all the same in His eyes. Now it is true that He judges us by our works, but I believe that refers more to the amount of transgressions a person may have. That does not discount that there are obviously sins that are much worse in nature, such as murder is obviously much worse than lying. Yet both are punishable by God. Back to the point of homosexuals, Jesus never condemned anyone for their sins and He dealt with a wide variety, but the closest example we have recorded of Him dealing with a homosexual was the adulteress in John 8. Now I know that her sins are different but just for the sake of comparison I'll use that since it's all we have that can compare, as adultery and homosexuality are both sexual trangressions. We all know the story and I only mention it to point out that we should treat homosexuals with love and compassion to the intent of leading them to repentance. The is power in the blood is there not? Jesus can save! Do not shun them or treat them differently, because remember in the grand scheme of things we are all deserving of death, but Jesus died for them just as much as He died for us, and His blood covers us all! Love and blessings to you in Christ!
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Jesus said not to stone the adulteress. He further admonished her to "sin no more." Christians fail on the admonishment portion. Embracing openly gay behavior is encouraging it. I say we fail, because gays and the gay agenda make America look more like Sodom every day. It has to stop. The method to stop it utilizing the least force (the fewest stones thrown, if you will) is to shun them. To point at them, to laugh at them and to ridicule gay behavior. Some will say it's too mean, but it's our job to make sure we don't end up like Sodom and I don't believe formal government involvement (jailing gays, as was previously done) is the correct answer. Bad behavior doesn't correct itself. If society looks bad, it's our Christian responsibility. God's not going to give us a pass, because we were too wimpy to call evil, evil or because, we failed to admonish gays.
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So Jesus would endorse us embarrassing them and insulting them? Give me a break, have you ever read the Sermon on the Mount? And the point of the John 8 adulteress episode was more about Jesus showing that none of us are in the position to condemn another. He does tell that lady not to sin again, and never once did I say that we should not encourage homosexuals to change, actually if you notice I said the purpose of our expressing and demonstrating love to them is to lead them to repentance.
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If you really believe that, then why do many Christians advocate treating them much differently? I don't see the church campaigning to deny gluttons, materialistic, proud or hypocritical folks their rights, or to shun them for openly practicing their lifestyles.
I love it when we get to the hypocritical "gay people are like other sinners" disclaimer.
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Who in the world are you to say that I'm a hypocrit? You don't know me whoever your are. Just because one or two maybe even a small minority of Christians say we should mistreat gays doesn't mean all Christians think that way. Using that logic is like saying on the news last night they had a picture of a white man who shot someone else, and so as a result all white people are evil because that one bad apple. Gimme a break.
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I didn't make any specific reference to you. I wrote, "I love it when we get to the hypocritical "gay people are like other sinners" disclaimer." 'WE' includes myself.
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We should always hate the sin and love the sinner. When I was working I had 2 young friends who was homosexual - One was a closet one and one was in your face, gay pride parade type.
I treated them as everyone else - the closet one would come to visit me and just talk, we could be honest and when he ask a question, I answered it honestly, we still remained good friends.
God does not hate a homosexual any more than any other sinner. The thing that is making is so bad is that our government is trying to force this upon us by stating is is alright and that we have to accept it and punish us if we do not agree. It's like legalizing a sin and you must accept it.
The sin is between them and God and we are not to accept it because the Bible says it is an abomanation to God - but that does not give us the right to judge the people. They are mostly good, fine people and make very loyal friends as in all friends.
I treated them as everyone else - the closet one would come to visit me and just talk, we could be honest and when he ask a question, I answered it honestly, we still remained good friends.
God does not hate a homosexual any more than any other sinner. The thing that is making is so bad is that our government is trying to force this upon us by stating is is alright and that we have to accept it and punish us if we do not agree. It's like legalizing a sin and you must accept it.
The sin is between them and God and we are not to accept it because the Bible says it is an abomanation to God - but that does not give us the right to judge the people. They are mostly good, fine people and make very loyal friends as in all friends.
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First of all, the fat glutton, adulterer and almost every other sinner, whether large sin or small, is embarrassed of the sin. they hide it, they are ashamed of it. Gays may be the only ones reveling in their sin. This separates gays from other sinners.
Secondly, It's perfectly OK to stare at fat people, but gays are in a special category? We point and stare at sinners on shows like "Cops" and many other shows, but gays are off-limits to ridicule? The tabloid magazines are full of bad behavior, but heaven forbid we gawk at the gays?
God ordered them killed and we can't rebuke their sin? Jesus admonished the adulterer, but we can't admonish the gay?
I'm tired of this limp-wristed Christianity. These people (the gays and gay supporters) are destroying America's special relationship with God and it's time to call them out. Our debt is worse than Greece's and we are on the precipice of global disaster due entirely to these lefty, gay, ZPG, green, liberals.
They are sinning. They know it's wrong, yet they claim it's right. They want us to buy into their sin by passing a bunch of gay marriage laws. I say enough. I'm admonishing gays to knock it off.
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Secondly, It's perfectly OK to stare at fat people, but gays are in a special category? We point and stare at sinners on shows like "Cops" and many other shows, but gays are off-limits to ridicule? The tabloid magazines are full of bad behavior, but heaven forbid we gawk at the gays?
God ordered them killed and we can't rebuke their sin? Jesus admonished the adulterer, but we can't admonish the gay?
I'm tired of this limp-wristed Christianity. These people (the gays and gay supporters) are destroying America's special relationship with God and it's time to call them out. Our debt is worse than Greece's and we are on the precipice of global disaster due entirely to these lefty, gay, ZPG, green, liberals.
They are sinning. They know it's wrong, yet they claim it's right. They want us to buy into their sin by passing a bunch of gay marriage laws. I say enough. I'm admonishing gays to knock it off.
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You just suggested killing them and you question me?
I have plenty of sins, but I'm not proud of them and I don't ask you to make laws to justify my sin. I don't parade my sins around begging God to condemn the rest of the nation along with me.
The bible's pretty clear, as a nation we're not supposed to exalt sin and that's exactly what you're doing.
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I have plenty of sins, but I'm not proud of them and I don't ask you to make laws to justify my sin. I don't parade my sins around begging God to condemn the rest of the nation along with me.
The bible's pretty clear, as a nation we're not supposed to exalt sin and that's exactly what you're doing.
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