"Messianic Jews and Gentiles only debate welcome."
What is the Messianic Judaism view of the crucifixion, death, and resurrection of HASHEM Elohim in the flesh: haMashiach Yeshua? Do you believe that his death atoned our sins? What do you believe was the purpose of Yeshua's crucifixion, death, and resurrection? How does it effect us?
Also, I've seen some people defend that there is no new covenant. Is this a typical Messianic Jewish belief? I mean, multiple covenants have been in effect at the same time (as I will explain below).
Moses took the blood of oxen, sprinkled it on Israel, and said, "Behold the blood of the covenant."
HASHEM, in the flesh, took a cup of his own Blood and said, "this is my blood, of the new covenant,
which is shed for you and for many, for the remission of sins."
I understand that Messianic Judaism believes in the validity of the covenant at Mount Sinai and revealed in the Torah (and for some oral Torah). Why can't this new covenant add to the older covenant? Abraham lived under the covenant of Noah. When HASHEM covenanted with Abraham, this did not void his covenant with Noah. Abraham had the honor of belonging to two covenants. One of them he was born into and the other HASHEM made with him personally. When HASHEM covenanted with David, that did not void his covenant with Moses and Israel. David lived by the Torah covenant and had the covenant of his seed having the throne forever. Those two covenants complimented each other.
Exodus 24:8 "And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words."
Luke 22:20 "[Yeshua, Elohim made flesh, took] Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is shed for you."
Here is a list of covenants to the best of my ability (I might have missed some):
HASHEM's covenant with Noah. [Genesis 9:16]
HASHEM's covenant with Abraham. [Genesis 7]
HASHEM's covenant of given at Mount Sinai to Israel. [Torah, Exodus 19:5]
HASHEM's covenant of the shabbat with Israel. [Exodus 31:16, Leviticus 24:8]
HASHEM said that Israel's holy contributions is a covenant of salt forever. [Numbers 18:19]
HASHEM's covenant of giving Canaan to Israel. [Psalm 105:10-11]
HASHEM's covenant with David [2 Chronicles 21:7, Psalm 89:3]
HASHEM's everlasting covenant with us. [Isaiah 55:3-7] [Isaiah 61:1-3, 8-9] [Luke 22:20]
Someone mentioned that the holy Apostle Paul might have added the word "new" to his narrative of the L-rd's Supper. Someone also wished for someone to look into the Greek, which I have. The Greek word for covenant is διαθηκη(ν
[diathiki(n)]; I have checked the original Greek and have supplemented them to the New Covenant quotes. The Greek word for new is καινη(ς [kaini(s)]; this word I have checked the original Greek and supplemented them only to the L-rd's Supper narrative.
I've listed almost every verse where the word diathiki occurs in the newest covenant:
Matthew 26:28 "For this is my blood of the new [καινης] covenant [διαθηκη], which is shed for many for the remission of sins."
Mark 14:24 "And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new [καινης] covenant [διαθηκη], which is shed for many."
Luke 22:20 "Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new [καινη] covenant [διαθηκη] in my blood, which is shed for you."
1 Corinthians 11:25 "After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new [καινη] covenant [διαθηκη] in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me."
Acts 3:25 "Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant [διαθηκη] which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed."
Acts 7:8 [Stephen the Martyr said:] "And he gave him the covenant [διαθηκην] of circumcision: and so Abraham begat Isaac, and circumcised him the eighth day; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat the twelve patriarchs."
2 Corinthians 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new covenant [διαθηκη]; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
2 Corinthians 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old covenant [διαθηκη]; which vail is done away in Christ.
Hebrews 7:22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better covenant [διαθηκη].
Hebrews 8 (Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blue) "1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; 2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man. 3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. 4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: 5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount. 6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant [διαθηκη], which was established upon better promises. 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant [διαθηκην] with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 9 Not according to the covenant [διαθηκην] that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant [διαθηκην], and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant [διαθηκη] that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. 13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away."
Hebrews 9:15-20 15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new covenant [διαθηκη], that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first covenant [διαθηκη], they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. 16 For where a covenant [διαθηκη] is, there must also of necessity be the death of him that made it. 17 For a covenant [διαθηκη] is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while he that made it liveth. 18 Whereupon neither the first [πρωτη] was dedicated without blood. 19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people, 20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament [διαθηκη] which God hath enjoined unto you.
Stuff written about covenants during the older covenant:
Isaiah 55:3-7 "3 Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David. 4 Behold, I have given him for a witness to the people, a leader and commander to the people. 5 Behold, thou shalt call a nation that thou knowest not, and nations that knew not thee shall run unto thee because of the LORD thy God, and for the Holy One of Israel; for he hath glorified thee. 6 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found , call ye upon him while he is near: 7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon."
Isaiah 61:8-9 "8 For I the LORD love judgment, I hate robbery for burnt offering; and I will direct their work in truth, and I will make an everlasting covenant with them. 9 And their seed shall be known among the Gentiles, and their offspring among the people: all that see them shall acknowledge them, that they are the seed which the LORD hath blessed."
Jeremiah 32:40 "And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me."
Ezekiel 16:60 Nevertheless I will remember my covenant with thee in the days of thy youth, and I will establish unto thee an everlasting covenant.
Ezekiel 37:26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
I ask forgiveness for any offense that I might cause. It is 3:48am and I've got to get up at 8:00am.
Most of this is from the Bible. I am in no way trying to teach against the Torah. I just want to understand the Messianic Jewish view of Yeshua's crucifixion, death, and resurrection. I also hope to contribute to Covenantology (im-yirtseh HASHEM).
What is the Messianic Judaism view of the crucifixion, death, and resurrection of HASHEM Elohim in the flesh: haMashiach Yeshua? Do you believe that his death atoned our sins? What do you believe was the purpose of Yeshua's crucifixion, death, and resurrection? How does it effect us?
Also, I've seen some people defend that there is no new covenant. Is this a typical Messianic Jewish belief? I mean, multiple covenants have been in effect at the same time (as I will explain below).
Moses took the blood of oxen, sprinkled it on Israel, and said, "Behold the blood of the covenant."
HASHEM, in the flesh, took a cup of his own Blood and said, "this is my blood, of the new covenant,
which is shed for you and for many, for the remission of sins."
I understand that Messianic Judaism believes in the validity of the covenant at Mount Sinai and revealed in the Torah (and for some oral Torah). Why can't this new covenant add to the older covenant? Abraham lived under the covenant of Noah. When HASHEM covenanted with Abraham, this did not void his covenant with Noah. Abraham had the honor of belonging to two covenants. One of them he was born into and the other HASHEM made with him personally. When HASHEM covenanted with David, that did not void his covenant with Moses and Israel. David lived by the Torah covenant and had the covenant of his seed having the throne forever. Those two covenants complimented each other.
Exodus 24:8 "And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words."
Luke 22:20 "[Yeshua, Elohim made flesh, took] Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is shed for you."
Here is a list of covenants to the best of my ability (I might have missed some):
HASHEM's covenant with Noah. [Genesis 9:16]
HASHEM's covenant with Abraham. [Genesis 7]
HASHEM's covenant of given at Mount Sinai to Israel. [Torah, Exodus 19:5]
HASHEM's covenant of the shabbat with Israel. [Exodus 31:16, Leviticus 24:8]
HASHEM said that Israel's holy contributions is a covenant of salt forever. [Numbers 18:19]
HASHEM's covenant of giving Canaan to Israel. [Psalm 105:10-11]
HASHEM's covenant with David [2 Chronicles 21:7, Psalm 89:3]
HASHEM's everlasting covenant with us. [Isaiah 55:3-7] [Isaiah 61:1-3, 8-9] [Luke 22:20]
Someone mentioned that the holy Apostle Paul might have added the word "new" to his narrative of the L-rd's Supper. Someone also wished for someone to look into the Greek, which I have. The Greek word for covenant is διαθηκη(ν
[diathiki(n)]; I have checked the original Greek and have supplemented them to the New Covenant quotes. The Greek word for new is καινη(ς [kaini(s)]; this word I have checked the original Greek and supplemented them only to the L-rd's Supper narrative.I've listed almost every verse where the word diathiki occurs in the newest covenant:
Matthew 26:28 "For this is my blood of the new [καινης] covenant [διαθηκη], which is shed for many for the remission of sins."
Mark 14:24 "And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new [καινης] covenant [διαθηκη], which is shed for many."
Luke 22:20 "Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new [καινη] covenant [διαθηκη] in my blood, which is shed for you."
1 Corinthians 11:25 "After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new [καινη] covenant [διαθηκη] in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me."
Acts 3:25 "Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant [διαθηκη] which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed."
Acts 7:8 [Stephen the Martyr said:] "And he gave him the covenant [διαθηκην] of circumcision: and so Abraham begat Isaac, and circumcised him the eighth day; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat the twelve patriarchs."
2 Corinthians 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new covenant [διαθηκη]; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
2 Corinthians 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old covenant [διαθηκη]; which vail is done away in Christ.
Hebrews 7:22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better covenant [διαθηκη].
Hebrews 8 (Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blue) "1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; 2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man. 3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. 4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: 5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount. 6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant [διαθηκη], which was established upon better promises. 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant [διαθηκην] with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 9 Not according to the covenant [διαθηκην] that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant [διαθηκην], and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant [διαθηκη] that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. 13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away."
Hebrews 9:15-20 15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new covenant [διαθηκη], that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first covenant [διαθηκη], they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. 16 For where a covenant [διαθηκη] is, there must also of necessity be the death of him that made it. 17 For a covenant [διαθηκη] is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while he that made it liveth. 18 Whereupon neither the first [πρωτη] was dedicated without blood. 19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people, 20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament [διαθηκη] which God hath enjoined unto you.
Stuff written about covenants during the older covenant:
Isaiah 55:3-7 "3 Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David. 4 Behold, I have given him for a witness to the people, a leader and commander to the people. 5 Behold, thou shalt call a nation that thou knowest not, and nations that knew not thee shall run unto thee because of the LORD thy God, and for the Holy One of Israel; for he hath glorified thee. 6 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found , call ye upon him while he is near: 7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon."
Isaiah 61:8-9 "8 For I the LORD love judgment, I hate robbery for burnt offering; and I will direct their work in truth, and I will make an everlasting covenant with them. 9 And their seed shall be known among the Gentiles, and their offspring among the people: all that see them shall acknowledge them, that they are the seed which the LORD hath blessed."
Jeremiah 32:40 "And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me."
Ezekiel 16:60 Nevertheless I will remember my covenant with thee in the days of thy youth, and I will establish unto thee an everlasting covenant.
Ezekiel 37:26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
I ask forgiveness for any offense that I might cause. It is 3:48am and I've got to get up at 8:00am.
Most of this is from the Bible. I am in no way trying to teach against the Torah. I just want to understand the Messianic Jewish view of Yeshua's crucifixion, death, and resurrection. I also hope to contribute to Covenantology (im-yirtseh HASHEM). 
