Mankind Sowed the Wind but Christ Reaped the Whrilwind

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John 19:30
30 So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.


What do you see when it comes to healing for your sick body, restoration for your failing marriage or breakthroughs for your financial woes? Do you see a finished work or a work that is yet to be completed?

God wants you to know that what you desperately need Him to do for you has already been done! Jesus’ finished work at the cross so satisfied the Father’s heart that from heaven’s throne came the pronouncement, “It is done!” (Revelation 16:17) in response to Jesus’ cry, “It is finished!” on earth. So God wants you to have this revelation that whatever you need Him to do for you has already been done because Jesus has accomplished it all for you.

If you need healing, know that your healing has been accomplished. If you need restoration for your marriage, know that your restoration has been accomplished. You are not going to die from any lack — you have been abundantly supplied. All these things have been accomplished, not by you, but by Christ alone!

My friend, if you are bothered by a pain in your body, God wants you to see your healing finished or accomplished for you by His Son’s death on the cross. If it is a loss or debt you face, or a certain sin that you are struggling with, believe that your provision, restoration and deliverance have been accomplished for you.

Don’t worry about what you see or feel, or the presence of contradicting reports. These are lying symptoms and though they may seem very real, they are temporal and not the truth. God’s Word is the truth and it will remain because it is eternal. And when you believe that only what God’s Word says about your situation is the truth, all the lying symptoms will eventually have to line up with His Word.

The Devil knows a bit of Scriptures hence he'll love to quote Scriptures to the believers In Christ & some of them goes like this, "They sow the wind, And reap the whirlwind (HSA 8:7) Now, the Devil is Not entirely Wrong, for The LORD did say once upon a time that ,'And after all this, if you do not obey Me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins. (Lev 26:18) & Also He repeats Himself again if you walk contrary to Me, and are not willing to obey Me, I will bring on you seven times more plagues, according to your sins.(Lev 26:21). If you think that is bad, no- it's just a start for 'The LORD is longsuffering and abundant in mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression; but He by no means clears [the guilty], visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth [generation].' (Numbers 14:18)

Terrifying thought isn't it, basically what all the above scriptures are pointing to primary is that ányone who sins against The LORD shall be punished & also their children's children up to the fourth Generations! In Disbelief? "What do you mean when you use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying: 'The fathers have eaten sour grapes, And the children's teeth are set on edge'? (Eze 18:2) This is hebrewism for saying that the Children & Childrend's Children shall suffer the panalties of sins on their fathers account thereby confirming Numbers 14:8 It is for the above Scriptures that Jesus had to drink that Sour Wine (John 19:30)


However, i am here to proclaim to you Beloved sons & daughters of the Most High GOD of Israel that king david's dream is our reality in which david saw our generation when he said - Blessed [is] the man to whom the LORD does not impute iniquity, And in whose spirit [there is] no deceit. (Psalms 32:2) & if it's Not enough, Prophet Jeremiah "In those days they shall say no more: 'The fathers have eaten sour grapes, And the children's teeth are set on edge.' (Jer 31:29) Isn't that Good News?

However, the Devil will come again & wisper into your ears to ask you the Beloved what about "But every one shall die for his own iniquity; every man who eats the sour grapes, his teeth shall be set on edge. (Jer 31:30) When the devil come & quote you the above thereby strengthening "They sow the wind, And reap the whirlwind (HSA 8:7) & he'll thinks that he has got you between the rock & hard place.

Now, am sure you know of the four apocalyptic horsemen in the book of Rev? It's all about sufferings in every sense? In short/ Nutshell, the 4 Horsemen are Evil spirits right? Shall we look at the 4 Horsemen?

And I looked, and behold, a white horse. He who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer. (Rev 6:2)

The above speaks of false Doctrine, why? Simply because the true White Horsemen is Christ Himself & it's in:-

Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. (Rev 19:11)

Long before something bad happens in the believers life, you can trace it back to the erronous belief's imparted to them hence apostle paul wrote For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual [hosts] of wickedness in the heavenly [places]. (Eph 6:12) If you continue to read, The Holy Spirit via apostle paul asks every believer to put on the armor of GOD. That in itself is a very lengthy explaination but suffice to say that in my quarters throughout Christiandom, believers are stripped of their Armor of GOD by preachers/ 'well meaning brothers & sister' doing the work of the devil by admistering guilt & condemnation to believers!

Humm, interesting? If this still doesn't fully quench your curiosity then how about allowing Scriptures to Interpret Scriptures that Cannot be broken as Jesus Himself said it?

We know that Jesus is also know as the 'Lion of Judah' right in :-

But one of the elders said to me, "Do not weep. Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has prevailed to open the scroll and to loose its seven seals." (Rev 5:5)

I know there'll be Unbelieving Bellievers (I know it's an Oxymoron) who will challenge the above by asking for Scriptures to Interpret Scriptures by Comparing & Contrasting the Old with the New like what Jesus Himself said in: Then He said to them, "Therefore every scribe instructed concerning the kingdom of heaven is like a householder who brings out of his treasure [things] new and old." (Matt 13:52). Point taken & accepted:-

The king's wrath [is] like the roaring of a lion, But his favor [is] like dew on the grass. (Proverbs 19:12) This verse clearly refers to Jesus

So i believe all readers now have proof beyond any shadow of doubt that The Real LION is Christ Himself right? However it is Interesting that apostle peter warned believers that the devil also love impersonating GOD/ Christ ;) It can be found in:-

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.(1 Peter 5:8)

Wow, Praise be Jesus for being so specific! In the NT, the devil still wants believers to 'FEEL' & 'THINK ' that GOD is still angry with them! Ever wonder why the Scriptures states that the Devil can only roar? Because Jesus defang him who have the power of death in finances/ relationship between you & GOD+men / health & much more from having power over you, His Beloved!


Interestingly, Scriptures in the OT calls the devil as SATAN & in hebrew it's basically saying that satan is an accuser or act as an adversary, resist, oppose

No wonder Scriptures in the NT went on to solidify the OT by stating that the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. (Rev 12:10)

Wow! Mind Blowing wouldn't you agree in that in the NT context, the Devil comes to the believers in various guises to plant false doctrines into the believers by using scriptures & NOT Rightly Dividing His Word & make believers In Christ thinks & feels that GOD is still angry with them!

How i know that GOD is no longer angry with the believers today? Well, because HE wanted to make a NEW Covenant with the Believers & this is the effects of the New Covenant:-

"No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more." (Jer 31:34) In which Apostle Paul quotes "For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more." (Hebrews 8:12) It's very Interesting to note that 'Remember NO MORE' in the Original Hebrew & Greek for the above Scriptures actually means The Strongest 'Double Negative' by which it's Never Ever Again!

Has GOD went soft on your lawlessness? Absolutely NO! Why? It's simply because HE who is God is Omnipotent, Omnipresent, and Omniscient & HE put all mankind sins starting from Adam to the very last man that will ever lived on the body of Jesus Christ when He hung on that Cross.

GOD the Father & GOD the SON is outside time or else time is god hence the Cross of Jesus Christ IS (present tense) efficacy for all time & for all eternity!

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Can we say that the Cross of Jesus Christ (Lord & GOD of all points to all 4 direction? North/ South East West?)

Now, let Bible Interpret Bible shall we for am sure all believe that the Scriptures IS The Best Authority in Interpreting Itself if Jesus Himself Reap all believer's Whrilwind in which we sowed?

Apostle John's vision:-

And I looked, and behold, a white horse. He who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer. (Rev 6:2) If you continue reading, you'll read also about the Red/ Black & Pale Horsemen

Now let's see ProphetZechariah's vision shall we?

I saw by night, and behold, a man riding on a red horse, and it stood among the myrtle trees in the hollow; and behind him [were] horses: red, sorrel, and white. (Zec 1:8) & again in:-

with the third chariot white horses, and with the fourth chariot dappled horses--strong [steeds]. (Zec 6:3)

Interestingly, Evil Spirits is also knows as 'Winds' in the Hebrew רוּחַ ;)

If one is to read Rev 6 & compare to contrast with Zec 6 then am sure you'll see the apocalyptic Horsemen riding fm the East towards to West/ Fm the West to the East & North to South & another fm South to North.

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For those who are Interested, the Encampment 'Order' for the 12 tribes of Israel can be found in Numbers 2

It is interesting to note that it is in the shape of the CROSS of Jesus Christ ;)

It's Interesting for the Jews to Note that when Balak tried getting Balaam to cursed the children of Israel, Balaam blessed them bountifully Instead (Numbers 23:8-11)

However, Balak got so frustrated with Balaam till they went onto higher ground which Balaam was looking at the Encampment of Israel top view (Numbers 23:13) (above encampment order picture)

What Balaam said while atop on high ground over looking them encampment of Israel is simply Beautiful for the words were put into Balaam mouth by The LORD (Numbers 23:16)

Numbers 23:21 "He has not observed iniquity in Jacob, Nor has He seen wickedness in Israel. The LORD his God [is] with him, And the shout of a King [is] among them.

Hallelujah, Praise the name of our LORD Christ Jesus! Is there NO Iniquity or Wickedness in Israel? Resolutely Resounding Emphatically YES! However, Elohim see only the CROSS of Yeshua hence :amen:

Not only does GOD do not see the Children of Israel's sins when they camp in the shape of the Cross, all of them was facing towards to Center - which is the tebenacle & their backs was expose. However there's NO Recorded instances whereby the Children of Israel was attacked whenever they camp like this.

The above brings to mind this Scriptures The glory of the LORD shall be your rear guard. (Isa 58:8)
 

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On a seperate Note, each row had a Banner/ Standard facing outwards in the form of the (1) Lion (2) Man (3) OX (4) Eagle which "coincidentally" is in the order of the 4 Gospels :-


(1) Gospel of Matthew, protraying Jesus as the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, it's also written primary to the Jews hence ancestorship was traced all the way back to Abraham in which the promised seed shall springs forth- hence the phrase, son of David which is most ofetn used in the Gospel of Matthew


(2) Gospel of Mark, portraying Jesus as the Son of man hence this term is most often used in this Gospel & also traces Jesus genealogy all the way back to Adam (so that to prove HE came fully man when He's also Fully GOD to redeem mankind sins debt that we cannot pay)


(3) Gospel of Luke, it protrays Jesus as the Servant hence there's No Genealogy simply because you don't ask a Servant what is his pedigree. This is also the only Gospel in which you'll read 'Immediately' a lot as Jesus is protrayed as the tireless OX


(4) Gospel of John also has NO Genealogy simply because you don't ask GOD HIS pedigree. However it protrays Jesus as GOD simply because only GOD can raise the DEAD back into life - in this Gospel, Jesus is the Eagle


When you lump them up 'Four Winds', you get Whirlwind right? How i know?


Therefore the male goat grew very great; but when he became strong, the large horn was broken, and in place of it four notable ones came up toward the four winds of heaven. (Dan 8:8)


And out of one of them came a little horn which grew exceedingly great toward the south, toward the east, and toward the Glorious [Land]. (Dan 8:9)


And it grew up to the host of heaven; and it cast down [some] of the host and [some] of the stars to the ground, and trampled them. (Dan 8:10)


He even exalted [himself] as high as the Prince of the host; and by him the daily [sacrifices] were taken away, and the place of His sanctuary was cast down (Dan 8:11)

Am sure all believers know for sure that the above vision of prophet Daniel refers to satan & his fallen angels right?

God the Son says, “It is finished!”

God the Father says, “It is done!”

What do you say?

This thread is especially dedicated to all Jews & Muslim alike for Jesus Himself have compassion in which :-

Matthew 9:36 But when He saw the multitudes, He was moved with compassion for them, because they were weary and scattered, like sheep having no shepherd.

This is MY GOD - Jesus Christ who paid the price i can't nor ever will be able to pay & died DEATHS that i should have. HE Openly Declared His Love on the Cross with open arms:-

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& if you wanna worship Him-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB2KbZlX8D8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4SFvuxB16Q&feature=relmfu
 
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The Devil knows a bit of Scriptures hence he'll love to quote Scriptures to the believers In Christ & some of them goes like this, "They sow the wind, And reap the whirlwind (HSA 8:7) Now, the Devil is Not entirely Wrong, for The LORD did say once upon a time that ,'And after all this, if you do not obey Me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins. (Lev 26:18) & Also He repeats Himself again if you walk contrary to Me, and are not willing to obey Me, I will bring on you seven times more plagues, according to your sins.(Lev 26:21). If you think that is bad, no- it's just a start for 'The LORD is longsuffering and abundant in mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression; but He by no means clears [the guilty], visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth [generation].' (Numbers 14:18)
This only applies to those who agreed to keep the Torah. It does not apply to those who did not agree to keep the Torah.
Terrifying thought isn't it, basically what all the above scriptures are pointing to primary is that ányone who sins against The LORD shall be punished & also their children's children up to the fourth Generations! In Disbelief? "What do you mean when you use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying: 'The fathers have eaten sour grapes, And the children's teeth are set on edge'? (Eze 18:2)

Just one verse later:
3 “As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign Lord, you will no longer quote this proverb in Israel. 4 For everyone belongs to me, the parent as well as the child—both alike belong to me. The one who sins is the one who will die.

If you are going to quote scripture, don't quote mine it to prove a point. We have always understood that it is not saying the sins of the father are put upon the son, but that the consequences for sin can be far reaching. A family could suffer many generations because of an evil or bad man. Everybody is responsible for their own sins, however, as Ezekiel 18:3 says.
However, the Devil will come again & wisper into your ears to ask you the Beloved what about "But every one shall die for his own iniquity; every man who eats the sour grapes, his teeth shall be set on edge. (Jer 31:30) When the devil come & quote you the above thereby strengthening "They sow the wind, And reap the whirlwind (HSA 8:7) & he'll thinks that he has got you between the rock & hard place.
"You are responsible for your sins" is not "the devil". There is no devil.
"No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more." (Jer 31:34)
This has not happened yet. We are not in a state where everybody knows HaShem.
It's Interesting for the Jews to Note that when Balak tried getting Balaam to cursed the children of Israel, Balaam blessed them bountifully Instead (Numbers 23:8-11)

However, Balak got so frustrated with Balaam till they went onto higher ground which Balaam was looking at the Encampment of Israel top view (Numbers 23:13) (above encampment order picture)

What Balaam said while atop on high ground over looking them encampment of Israel is simply Beautiful for the words were put into Balaam mouth by The LORD (Numbers 23:16)

Numbers 23:21 "He has not observed iniquity in Jacob, Nor has He seen wickedness in Israel. The LORD his God [is] with him, And the shout of a King [is] among them.

Hallelujah, Praise the name of our LORD Christ Jesus! Is there NO Iniquity or Wickedness in Israel? Resolutely Resounding Emphatically YES! However, Elohim see only the CROSS of Yeshua hence :amen:
Numbers says that, does it? I guess I need you to highlight the part where it says what you are putting in bold here.
 
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Was there really a need for that torture inappropriate content?
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Are you referring to the picture or all the colorful, formatted text?
 
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This is MY GOD - Jesus Christ who paid the price i can't nor ever will be able to pay & died DEATHS that i should have.

No, that's Jim Caviezel in Mel Gibson's religious snuff film, The Passion of the Christ.
 
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Hahaha, no wonder :-

Matt 7:6 "Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.
Well, well, calling us dogs and swine is a sure sign of your Christian superiority. Walking the walk indeed!

I appreciated your original post, by the way, preachiness and all.
It could have done without the multiple colours and the religious snuff film stills, though.
 
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Here, another piece offering:

What exactly do you expect to take away from this discussion, gideon army?

Keeping in mind that this is the "Christianity and World Religion"-section of Christian Forums, you were sure to encounter an audience that was both Non-Christian and yet already well-acquainted with the central tenets of your faith.

Many around here used to be Christians, and most who weren't at least grew up in a culture that was closely acquainted with Christianity and its beliefs.

Naturally, proselytizing Christianity is a valid purpose around here, but I doubt that quoting Bible verses will necessarily further that purpose. Even if you only want to "sow the seeds" that the Holy Spirit brings to fruition in the worthy ones, you still need to get to know your audience in order to successfully plant your ideas.
And condescension runs contrary to your purposes, driving people away from whatever you're trying to convey to them.
 
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Personally, I find several points in your beliefs that are at least problematic WRT your perception of the One True God.

1. The problem of Satan: given that God is almighty (and Satan is not), there can be no contest; no real conflict, no genuine war for the souls of mankind. Even an ALMOST almighty being would be helpless in contrast to genuine omnipotence, and its every deed could only happen if the omnipotent one allowed it. (Which is why Judaism discarded the notion of a "fallen" angel, purging itself of the dualist influences that had filtered into Hebrew folklore during the Babylonian captivity.) Satan has no power unless God wills it. Satan cannot act contrary to God's Will unless God wills it - in which case, it really IS God's Will. See how that doesn't quite work out?

2. Painting God too small, and Man too large:
I find the notion of the One God being fundamentally, metaphysically offended by mankind more than passingly ridiculous. Bacteriae have a better chance at personally offending us than we could ever hope to achieve in relation to a being that has created the whole universe and everything within it. To suppose that God could react to out feeble actions with such a primitive emotion as anger or wrath strikes me as almost blasphemous and megalomaniacal. We are infinitesimal creatures on a tiny planet orbiting a small sun in a medium-sized galaxy, which in turn is part of one cluster among billions. Nothing we could ever do could possibly have any effect on the One God Christianity postulates, even if He was to care about every single atom in the known universe.

3. The "Logic" behind the blood sacrifice:
It's more than a little problematic that the One God supposedly sees no other way to right a wrong than to stoop to the primitive blood sacrifices our ancestors engaged in out of the mistaken belief that spiritual entities must be appeased with offerings. Surely, true recompense ought to have MUCH more to do with remorse, repairing whatever damage has been caused, and actively working towards a genuine improvement. Nothing has ever been gained by spilling the blood of lambs or pigeons, except a sense of shedding personal responsibility by transponing one's guilt unto a scapegoat.
 
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3. The "Logic" behind the blood sacrifice:
It's more than a little problematic that the One God supposedly sees no other way to right a wrong than to stoop to the primitive blood sacrifices our ancestors engaged in out of the mistaken belief that spiritual entities must be appeased with offerings. Surely, true recompense ought to have MUCH more to do with remorse, repairing whatever damage has been caused, and actively working towards a genuine improvement. Nothing has ever been gained by spilling the blood of lambs or pigeons, except a sense of shedding personal responsibility by transponing one's guilt unto a scapegoat.

It is not surprising that Isaiah addresses this in the first chapter. He says that all the people's hands are covered with blood. This was in reference to the people merely sacrificing and thinking that was all there was to it. Transfer guilt to the animal and go back on doing whatever. True repentance was always supposed to be part of the package, no matter what.

Psalms also openly says that the sacrifices of the Lord are a broken and contrite heart.
 
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What do you see when it comes to healing for your sick body... <snip> Do you see a finished work or a work that is yet to be completed?

God wants you to know that what you desperately need Him to do for you has already been done!

You know, Gideon, from where I'm sitting as someone who's been chronically ill for years, this is really not helpful.

Quite frankly, I'm tired as all get-out of being blamed for being ill by people pushing variants of prosperity theology and the Make Your Own Reality crowd.
 
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