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What makes the USA a Christian nation?
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Might does not make right.
The first sentence of the D of I states that America's right to independence is tied to the "Laws of Nature and of Nature's God". The God the Continental Congress believed in is the Christian God, and his natural laws for us are found in the Holy Bible.
God does not want the people of the Earth to be united, he sends them to different parts of the world to create their own nations. Genesis 11:1-9.
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And yet it helps. Napoleon said "God is on the side of the big battalions." He had a point.
And yet the real motives for America declaring independence had little if anything to do with Christian values. Actions speak louder than propaganda.
Of course -- why would he want His children to live together in peace? Better that be separate and at each others' throats.
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If I may:
America's first settlers were Christian. Their motives were not.
America's founders were Christian. Their motives were not.
America's leaders have all been Christian. Their motives, well... you tell me.
The called themselves Christian, but this nation was and is built on their actions, not their words.
America's first settlers were Christian. Their motives were not.
America's founders were Christian. Their motives were not.
America's leaders have all been Christian. Their motives, well... you tell me.
The called themselves Christian, but this nation was and is built on their actions, not their words.
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Even if there was a one world government, they'd still be at each other's throats. The situation would be even worse.
Conflict won't end until the world accepts the gospel of Jesus. It probably won't end until the second coming.
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No, it's really not. The Christians who live in America are part of the Church, but the USA itself isn't Christian.
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The US government belongs to a group of loosely affiliated governments around the world who have all expressed a belief in Jesus Christ (Christendom). See the proclamations calling for days of "humiliation, fasting, and prayer" and the first line of the Treaty of Paris.
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The US government belongs to a group of loosely affiliated governments around the world who have all expressed a belief in Jesus Christ (Christendom). See the proclamations calling for days of "humiliation, fasting, and prayer" and the first line of the Treaty of Paris.
See the Constitution.
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So...there were no wars between this "group of loosely affiliated governments around the world"? Because my impression was this idea of "Christendom" didn't seem to stop them from slaughtering each other.
Again none of which made any difference when they wanted to kill each other. The idea of "Christendom" has always been more of a myth people used as an excuse to rip off the non-members of "Christendom"See the proclamations calling for days of "humiliation, fasting, and prayer" and the first line of the Treaty of Paris.
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I don't believe that -- I guess I'm not part of the government.
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The first sentence of the D of I says that America's right to Independence comes from the "laws of Nature and of Nature's God". Our country's founders were not criminal. This idea that America's right to exist comes from the "barrel of a gun" would make them criminal, because they were stealing the King's property.
America's way of life is dependent upon the "rule of law", not upon the "rule of men". This demands a respect for the written word, and that's why we're a nation full of lawyers and judges. It's a system which has allowed our country to progress and become the world's superpower. But in order for this system to be possible, we first must be able to believe in the legality of our country's existence. Because if our country's existence was illegal, the lawful thing for our government to do would be to hand America back over to its rightful owners.
The D of I broke the laws of the British Empire, which had soveriegnty over America at this time. In order for the D of I and America's independence to be legal, the "laws of Nature and of Nature's God" must have legitimate legal authority. The question at this point becomes "what God is the D of I referring to?"
In various different acts, the Continental Congress stated a belief in the Christian God. The Treaty of Paris positively identifies the God the US government believes in as being the "undivided Trinity", which is the God of mainstream Christianity. The law book of this God is the Holy Bible.
Genesis 11:1-8 tells us why God has divided the Earth into nations. This short passage from the Bible is the authority from which the USA derives its legal right to exist. Americans today can point at this law and claim that when God sent Englishmen to America, He was trying to build a new nation, not a world empire for King George.
If America's government has lost its respect for the Holy Bible's authority, this law is no longer good for us, and the lawful thing for it to do would be to turn the land back over to its lawful owners. It could either do that, or become a lawless society ruled by men.
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Funny, that's what the King thought as well. I guess he was right.
Who happen to be the ones who write the laws -- funny how they're all men (well, except for the women, of course).
In addition to believing in it, we must defend it.
You mean these guys?
If we decide to make it legal, who's going to stop us?
You first.
They'll help you pack.
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The Continental Congress made the D of I legal when it invoked "the laws of Nature and of Nature's God". If our government denies the legitimacy of this, the Declaration becomes illegal.
Again, this concept of "might makes right" and law coming from the point of a gun is creeping into your thinking. You have to understand that this is unacceptable, because advanced civilization and the American way of life is dependent upon respect for the written law.
The Native Americans are happy and patriotic American citizens.
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In the eyes of the King of England, it was always illegal. What made him wrong and the Continental Congress right?
After we killed the ones who weren't. Funny that.
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Sooo. Are you unaware that the DoI was just a letter to King George that told him to shove off in flowery language? It has exactly zero standing as any sort of a legal or foundational document. But your desperate attempt to read what you want into it is noted.
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Sooo. Are you unaware that the DoI was just a letter to King George that told him to shove off in flowery language? It has exactly zero standing as any sort of a legal or foundational document. But your desperate attempt to read what you want into it is noted.
The D of I was an act of Congress, signed into law by the President. It made the USA legally independent on July 4, 1776.
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