Does God joke?

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Sophia who?



It does seem to alleviate it somewhat. Funny how that works. If you rush to a child who takes an innocent spill they cry all the more for the attention. If you pay less attention they learn not to cry at all.
I gotta tell ya this... when my 2nd son was just two years old, he learned something about this. His mom worked on the weekends so I was alone w/him when he tried this on me.
I told him "no" to something unreasonable. He was sitting on the floor & bent over & banged his head on the floor ON PURPOSE, watching me, & started to cry.
I was incredulous. I so couldn't belive he thought something so bogus would work, that I actualy started to laugh out loud.
Even thru his tears he could appreciate me keeping it real, & he started laughing too.
God is great.
Jesus akbar.
 
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eachallberg said:
God's Word said:
You didn't finish my "quote". I said that none of them are related to humor. Anyhow, I was referring to such verses as these:

Psalm 2:1-4

Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. HE THAT SITTETH IN THE HEAVENS SHALL LAUGH: the Lord shall have them in derision."

The first part of this prophetic Psalm speaks of how Herod, Pilate, the Gentiles and the people of Israel gathered together and crucified Christ (see Acts 4:23-28). God's response? He LAUGHS at man's futile attempts to overthrow His appointed King. As I said, such LAUGHTER isn't related to humor at all. In fact, if you keep on reading the Psalm, God warns of coming wrath.

Psalm 37:12-13

"The wicked plotteth against the just, and gnasheth upon him with his teeth. THE LORD SHALL LAUGH AT HIM: for he seeth that his day is coming."

Same principle.

Psalm 59:1-8

"Deliver me from mine enemies, O my God: defend me from them that rise up against me. Deliver me from the workers of iniquity, and save me from bloody men. For, lo, they lie in wait for my soul: the mighty are gathered against me; not for my transgression, nor for my sin, O LORD. They run and prepare themselves without my fault: awake to help me, and behold. Thou therefore, O LORD God of hosts, the God of Israel, awake to visit all the heathen: be not merciful to any wicked transgressors. Selah. They return at evening: they make a noise like a dog, and go round about the city. Behold, they belch out with their mouth: swords are in their lips: for who, say they, doth hear? BUT THOU, O LORD, SHALT LAUGH AT THEM; thou shalt have all the heathen in derision."

More of the same. Like I said, nothing humorous about God's "laughter" at all.
Very nice, thank you.
I said humor and jokes because of what listed said.

I really appreciate the clarity.

A common problem with all those verses you present is that the Lord's laugh is pretense. Or, its just wishful thinking...

If its pretense,
when did (or will) Jesus laugh?

eachallberg:

I'll only elaborate briefly on the second Psalm, but the same principle applies to the other citations from Psalms as well.

The Psalmist David began by stating that "the heathen", "the kings of the earth" and "the rulers" were IMAGINING A VAIN THING. Of course, this VAIN THING was somehow thinking that they could overthrow God's delegated Ruler, namely JESUS CHRIST, by crucifying Him. God's response to such VANITY/FOOLISHNESS was to sit in the heavens and LAUGH IN A DERIDING ("shall have them in derision") OR MOCKING OR RIDICULING OR SCOFFING MANNER. Again, it's not "laughter" that's related to "humor", but rather a RIDICULING TYPE OF LAUGHTER AS HE LOOKS DOWN UPON THE RIDICULOUS (worthy of ridicule) ACTIONS OF MEN.

Quite frankly, I can understand this perfectly well. You see, although I'm far from being God, there have been multiple times, even here on this very forum, when I've read the posts of certain members and initially "laughed" at their ridiculous claims or beliefs. I say "initially" because I follow up such by praying for such individuals. It's very much like this...

I don't know if you've ever used the expression, "I don't know if I should laugh or cry", but I've used it and felt exactly that way many times on this very forum. Personally, I believe that God experiences both:

An initial "laugh" (scoffing, ridicule, deriding, etc.) at the vain attempts of men to somehow thwart His eternal plan...followed by a deep grief that certain folks will be eternally lost.

That's how I see it, anyway, and I believe that this is how the Psalmist saw it as well.
 
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Dont some translations say 'and God scoffed' instead? But I still think there is humor, it takes understanding of Jewish culture and text to understand where some of the humor may lie. I'll keep thinkin about it. :) But to deny that God has humor, idk I think He does because laughter and joy can include humor. But like I said, a lot of the humor we think of is course humor. So if Paul talks about course jokes/humor, maybe there is good humor too?
 
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JRSut1000:

I think that we find an interesting distinction between different types of "laughter" in the account of Sarah and Isaac.

Initially, when Sarah overheard the Lord (Whom I believe was Jesus) telling Abraham that she would have a son in her old age, Sarah "laughed" and the Lord wasn't pleased with it. We read:

Genesis 18:9-15

"And they said unto him, Where is Sarah thy wife? And he said, Behold, in the tent. And he said, I will certainly return unto thee according to the time of life; and, lo, Sarah thy wife shall have a son. And Sarah heard it in the tent door, which was behind him. Now Abraham and Sarah were old and well stricken in age; and it ceased to be with Sarah after the manner of women. THEREFORE SARAH LAUGHED WITHIN HERSELF, SAYING, AFTER I AM WAXED OLD SHALL I HAVE PLEASURE, MY LORD BEING OLD ALSO? AND THE LORD SAID UNTO ABRAHAM, WHEREFORE DID SARAH LAUGH, SAYING, SHALL I OF A SURETY BEAR A CHILD, WHICH AM OLD? IS ANY THING TOO HARD FOR THE LORD? At the time appointed I will return unto thee, according to the time of life, and Sarah shall have a son. THEN SARAH DENIED, SAYING, I LAUGHED NOT; FOR SHE WAS AFRAID. AND HE SAID, NAY; BUT THOU DIDST LAUGH."

Here, Sarah's "laughter" seems to have been of the scoffing type. IOW, she doubted the Lord's word that she would have a son. The Lord wasn't pleased with such "laughter" and Sarah sought to deny that she had "laughed"...as if we can somehow outsmart the Lord. What's interesting about this, though, is that when Sarah did have a son, she not only named him Isaac, which means "he laughed", but that it was the Lord Himself Who actually designated such a name for the child. Again, we read:

Genesis 17:19

"And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him."

When Isaac was born, we read:

Genesis 21:1-7

"And the LORD visited Sarah as he had said, and the LORD did unto Sarah as he had spoken. For Sarah conceived, and bare Abraham a son in his old age, at the set time of which God had spoken to him. And Abraham called the name of his son that was born unto him, whom Sarah bare to him, ISAAC. And Abraham circumcised his son Isaac being eight days old, as God had commanded him. And Abraham was an hundred years old, when his son Isaac was born unto him. AND SARAH SAID, GOD HATH MADE ME TO LAUGH, SO THAT ALL THAT HEAR WILL LAUGH WITH ME. And she said, Who would have said unto Abraham, that Sarah should have given children suck? for I have born him a son in his old age."

Here, the same Lord/God Who was angry that Sarah "laughed' (in a scoffing manner) when He said that she would bear a son actually MADE SARAH TO LAUGH and instructed Abraham and Sarah to name their son, ISAAC, which means "he laughed".

Online Etymology Dictionary

Isaac masc. proper name, name of a biblical patriarch, from L.L., from Gk. Isaak, from Heb. Yitzhaq, lit. "he laughs," imperf. of tzahaq "he laughed."

Since Isaac is an Old Testament type of Christ for several reasons, I think that we can pretty safely conclude that there is a sort of sanctified, holy "laughter" that can easily be associated with our own salvation experiences. IOW, I think that God can put "laughter" into our own souls as we recognize what a miraculous work He has done in us through JESUS CHRIST.

Anyhow, I hope that this helps.

P.S. When I speak of "holy laughter", I am in NO WAY suggesting that the "holy laughter" movements that have swept through the church at different stages (Kathryn Kuhlman, Rodney Howard Browne, etc.) were of God. Personally, I believe that they were totally DEMONIC in nature.
 
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Dont some translations say 'and God scoffed' instead? But I still think there is humor, it takes understanding of Jewish culture and text to understand where some of the humor may lie. I'll keep thinkin about it. :) But to deny that God has humor, idk I think He does because laughter and joy can include humor. But like I said, a lot of the humor we think of is course humor. So if Paul talks about course jokes/humor, maybe there is good humor too?

You know, I personally havent ever met anyone who was truly joyful who didnt know how to laugh, or who refused themselves laughter altogether. But thats my personal experience among those who I would consider to be truly joyful and edifying souls in Christ. Now they might not laugh at crude joking, or at that which is offensive and coarse, or find any humor (whatsoever) in the hurting of another (that which comes at anothers expense). Nor in that which puts itself out as indelicate and offensive for the sake of being funny. But those I might count as the most joyful in Christ do have the warmest smiles and the ability to laugh at things, it just depends on what. And there are some things, even ridiculous things you just cant help but laugh at even if its just within yourself.

I laugh more at myself and my own missing of things like (for example) something in a conversation (something will fly right by me) and Im like, "you dunce" wheres your head? lol. And I do laugh at myself more then anything else. And alot of the time (at least to me) being able to do that has a tendency to set others more at ease around you. Well, especially when you can make fun of yourself just a little. And others (also) dont have to feel like they have to walk on eggshells around you or feel they might get grabbed by the throat and thrown to the ground at their every little misstep around you either.

But I have also found most folks who can laugh "at themselves" (and who can do so tend to set others "at ease" around them). These often arent the same culprits known for "laughing at" others (to make themselves feel superior) but "the other" a fool (in their particular doings). These seem to have more of a stalking way about them, that constant "seeking to" find a moment to pull the rug out from under you and laugh at your expense (kind of way). They have that tendency to make the other feel they are being made sport of (or the butt of their every joke).

By this I mean "their wittiness" or humor needs a target (or a scapegoat) and these (in most cases) would never direct it to their own self (to spare another) but at their targets expense.

Its like theres two kinds of folks who laugh for different reasons. One who is genuinely joyful and warm and has the effect of "setting others at ease" with them). The other is miserable (and cold) and out of spite ( and to the contrary) makes others feel uneasy (even foolish). So one can laugh with another (making them feel warm welcome, and comfortable) the other laughs at another (making them feel excluded, targeted, and uncomfortable).

And though this is certainly not the context of this thread, in respects to "joking" in a deliberate sense (of telling a joke) to provoke laughter (in any sense) we all know when someone does something embarrassing (and we might cringe) thinking, "oh my goodness I'd be mortified if I were them right now!" (lol) But then you might come up behind that person and let them know they either tucked their dress in the back of their pantyhose, or are walking out of the rest room with 50 feet of toilet paper on their shoe, or they have a big slab of spinach draped over their two front teeth (or "whatever", use your imagination). But you might laugh and say, you might not be aware of this (and tell them) and you (being sensitive to how embarrassing that is) might include a "dont worry about it and tell em' your own little embarassing moment. To the intent of lessening how utterly mortified they might feel. I'm so appreciative for folks who have done that for me. And we've all seen such times when folks both laugh together over something like that. That is harmless, there are things we laugh at (whether within ourselves) or outloud in various scenarios similarly.

Babies laugh, they do that awesome belly giggle thing that will shoot a smile across anyones face, and cause more laughter to erupt then any paid comedian. They ofcourse, can do it without actually "telling a joke" or without actually responding to one (so told). I have stood up and banged my head (or just sneezed) and my daughter would burst out into tears laughing. Then she got me laughing too, even at myself lol.

I can laugh at a cute story or embarrassing circumstance (another shares with me) even to the intent of easing my own embarrasment.

However, I have been convicted for stepping over the line myself as I shared here before, especially if I do so too much and had to examine myself, put limits on myself for a time, as to where with whom and how much, and I have had to hold myself back some, because its easy for me to step over the line.


And I look at it this way, some folks have anger issues I (personally) have humor issues, because I use it to deal better, with meanness, confrontation, others pride and provocation, and various others temperments I encounter. Especially in awkward situations, or when someone feels left outside (or they were made the butt of a joke) and I have this need (or want) to turn those tables for them, that type thing.

Whoa, that was longwinded, sorry about that^_^
 
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There are things in Scripture that are ironic. Irony isn't necessarily humor. We may laugh, but we also laugh when we're stressed out. Chimpanzees laugh at things that are ironic, as the brain often doesn't know how to react when contradictory messages come into it, which is very similar to why we laugh when other things happen, such as tickling - our brains just don't know what else to do.

Is God just like us and can't make sense of seemingly contradictory inputs? I doubt it.

And, as Optimax pointed out, the other side of humor is saying things that have an element of non-truth. God has no elements of non-truth.
 
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It is impossible for God to lie.

Whatever He says comes to pass!
In both Kings & Chronicles we see God sending a lying spirit to Rehaboam's prophets to tell him he would win a battle he wouldn't.

I don't think to lie is necessarily sin. I think it depends on the motive and we need to be mindfull of unintended consequences. The commandment about it even specifies motive 'false witness against a neighbor.
 
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There are things in Scripture that are ironic. Irony isn't necessarily humor. We may laugh, but we also laugh when we're stressed out. Chimpanzees laugh at things that are ironic, as the brain often doesn't know how to react when contradictory messages come into it, which is very similar to why we laugh when other things happen, such as tickling - our brains just don't know what else to do.

Is God just like us and can't make sense of seemingly contradictory inputs? I doubt it.

And, as Optimax pointed out, the other side of humor is saying things that have an element of non-truth. God has no elements of non-truth.
I think God isn't "above" using both humor & fiction to relieve tension.
Laughter can be healing.
 
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We also laugh with joy, but I don't think that one could equate "joking" with joy.

I agree that one can laugh which springs from their joy, but I'd probrobly say joking (in order to make someone laugh) shouldnt be equated with joy.

Likewise it says...

Proverbs 14:13 Even in laughter the heart is sorrowful; and the end of that mirth is heaviness.

So laughter isnt necessarily the perfect meter if one can be true in the presence of the other being just as true.

Just adding to the OP the definitions I have found in respects to jesting below

Jesting

1) pleasantry, humour, facetiousness... not meant to be taken seriously or literally, lacking serious intent
2) in a bad sense a) scurrility, ribaldry, low jesting
 
Scurrility

Meaning: Foul-mouthed or obscene abuse

Hypernyms ("scurrility" is a kind of...) abuse, contumely, insult, revilement, vilification (a rude expression intended to offend or hurt)

Ribaldry ...Ribald (humor)... humor, humour, wit, witticism, wittiness

Sense 1

(a message whose ingenuity or verbal skill or incongruity has the power to evoke laughter)

Sense 2

Behavior or language bordering on indelicacy (a lack of politeness; a failure to show regard for others; wounding the feelings or others) gaminess, raciness, ribaldry, spiciness

Hypernyms ( "ribaldry" is a kind of...) ... indelicacy ( the trait of being indelicate and offensive )

Actually a hard word, in the sense its used once, but compareable to others as noted in the strongs, so took the words in the definition and ran them also
 
 
 
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As Father, God always teaches us in our growth, but He does at times use circumstances of humour to teach.

Early in my conversion I was very "run before learning to walk", and that often fed an attitude. One occasion there was a World Day of Prayer to which I wanted to attend, but on the day I couldn't find any clean clothes that looked decent, so I grabbed a pair of jeans that had patches sewn in. I figured, "If they don't like it, that's their problem!"

I marched in with quite a defensive/arrogant posture and took my seat.

Now ... as a young child I had relatives visit. The men would sit in the living room watching football or other while the women all sat and chatted in the kitchen. I was often called upon to stand among them and sing a song because I was "so cute". This impacted me to the point that I have always felt very initimidated in a group of women.

So ... at the World Day of Prayer, I had sat down attitude and all, the music started, and only then was I allowed to recognize that it was the "Womens' World Day of Prayer"!

All I could do is shrink as small and as red as I could, look up at my Father and say, "Good one."

But it concluded in grace because the minister, another man, ended by encouraging the women to next time bring their husband's too. Something they all seemed to approve.
 
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Lol, yep.

I know my husband has a good 'God humor' story as well. He was praying about an event he dreampt about prophetically, so he kept asking God 'when are these things going to happen, I need to have a date!'. So he actually heard the Lord say 'On [a specific day] you will have a date'. Well that day came and he was at a Christian meeting or fellowship or something, and one of the people had recently come back from Israel. She brought all kinds of fruits with her and gave some to her friends including my husband. On the way home he thought about his prayer and he knew that was the day, so he was about to complain and ask again 'what happened...' and he looked beside him and realized: There was a box of dates sitting next to him. Yep, God gave him a date alright! Literally!
 
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I have also found most folks who can laugh "at themselves" (and who can do so tend to set others "at ease" around them). These often arent the same culprits known for "laughing at" others (to make themselves feel superior) but "the other" a fool (in their particular doings). These seem to have more of a stalking way about them, that constant "seeking to" find a moment to pull the rug out from under you and laugh at your expense (kind of way). They have that tendency to make the other feel they are being made sport of (or the butt of their every joke).

By this I mean "their wittiness" or humor needs a target (or a scapegoat) and these (in most cases) would never direct it to their own self (to spare another) but at their targets expense.

Its like theres two kinds of folks who laugh for different reasons. One who is genuinely joyful and warm and has the effect of "setting others at ease" with them). The other is miserable (and cold) and out of spite ( and to the contrary) makes others feel uneasy (even foolish).

Very insightful, Sister! :hug: It's like yet another example of Spirit vs flesh

I never looked at it that way before :thumbsup:
 
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So the world will end in 2012! (Who would've thought we would see Fire using words like this?) ;)

I had to look them up because I didnt know, I hadnt a clue ^_^ Im like, what does this word mean? (looks it up in the dictionary) and the next word... sheesh...Youre right raze, I do have a very limited vocabulary (I so know it) lol I might be better at articulating my thoughts if I could learn the right words but I cant seem to retain how to spell the big ones or their definitions (lol)
 
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Don't look now but your vocabulary isn't so limited anymore! I mean I thought I kinda had a feeling for those words, solely due to 2 parents who were both teachers, constantly making it a point of exposing us kids to as much vocab and root words as possible. But I still had to read the definitions cause I wasn't sure ^_^
 
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Don't look now but your vocabulary isn't so limited anymore! I mean I thought I kinda had a feeling for those words, solely due to 2 parents who were both teachers, constantly making it a point of exposing us kids to as much vocab and root words as possible. But I still had to read the definitions cause I wasn't sure ^_^

Wow, both parents are teachers! Well, I sure feel alot better about my limited verbalage now (standing side by side a teachers son) so thanks raze ^_^

Just dont throw that word back at me sometime later on, because I wont remember it lol
 
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