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Do you brethren recall this part of the story of Paul's journey to Rome:

Acts 27
[22] And now I exhort you to be of good cheer: for there shall be no loss of any man's life among you, but of the ship.
[23] For there stood by me this night the angel of God, whose I am, and whom I serve,
[24] Saying, Fear not, Paul; thou must be brought before Caesar: and, lo, God hath given thee all them that sail with thee.


I hope to use this to draw a spiritual illustration. We are the generation that has had handed to us, (on a silver platter of schismatic dogma,) the doctrines, creeds, and interpretations of our forefathers. Many, but not all, are from the Reformed school of theology, both Calvinistic and Arminian, (Calvin and Arminis were both Reformed theologians.) We also have the testimonies of the anabaptists, and the many churches that never did affiliate with Rome and her doctrines.

Today we (generally,) fall into one of the two camps of the Reformed, (Calvinist or Arminian.) I'd like to make a case for NEITHER. Instead of A, Arminian, or C, Calvinist, perhaps we could chose, B, Balanced Bible Believer. Right down the center. Back to our passage of scripture.

The Angel of the Lord told Paul, that there would be no loss of any man's life, only the ship. However, if someone would have jumped overboard and tried to make it on their own, they would be OUTSIDE of the promise of God. They were only safe IN THE SHIP, even though it appeared to be in peril.

We are safe in Christ. Jesus said:

John 10
[27] My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:


What clean doctrine, the Doctrine of Christ. . . the Apostles doctrine. Figure out if you are one of his sheep, and follow him. Do not stop. Those who are still following at the end, they are his sheep. Do some lose it? Did some never have it? Let me ask, why make a schismatic case? Just do the simple thing, follow. That's were we are safe, just like in the ship.

W@e have both a promise and a warning, which is right?

John 10
[28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
[29] My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

John 15
[6] If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.


Before you reach for you "pet theology" remember:

Prov. 30
[5] Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
[6] Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.


This keeps us from our tendency to say, "Yes, but. . . " or "But, also. . ." Why don't we just leave God's word alone and let it preach to us?

If we do this:

2 Peter 1
[10] Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:


Does that make us a Calvinist or an Arminian? Why don't we chose neither and start begging God to make us SIMPLE disciples, brethren, believers.

2 Tim. 2
[23] But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.


"Which is right, Calvinism or Arminianism?" can be heaped in there with, "How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?" Questions that only gender strifes. I've seen where this cause brethren to have a hard time obeying:

John 13
[35] By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.


We are always going to have our "preferences" when it comes to interpretation, but we must always hold our "preferences" in "humble" hands. Hands that know they can be wrong in some points. This will help us to:

Eph. 4
[2] With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;


Just some thoughts on this topic I have discussed many times in the chueches I attend, (which generally come from a different theological viewpoint than I had originally learned.)

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The original question may also be answered in a practical way (even apart from God's Word of truth) by seeing that the one who is saved for all eternity and assured of Heaven, is ONLY one who is "born again". Many professing Christians talk about believing in God, but never mention the Savior or the new birth, so one can question their profession as only "a disciple" (follower after Christ) --note John 6:66-69. They may quote scriptures out of context and go astray.

One who is "born again" by the indwelling and sealing of the Spirit can NEVER lose it or be lost (though they may become carnal and live like the world, and thus lose rewards and commendations at the "Judgment Seat of Christ" in Heaven). A child of God may suffer loss of blessings for unfaithfulness, but it is ignorance of the Word to say one who is born can become unborn (that has never happened in the world). See also John 14:23 for further appreciation of a real believers's security. Look up always!
 
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The original question may also be answered in a practical way (even apart from God's Word of truth) by seeing that the one who is saved for all eternity and assured of Heaven, is ONLY one who is "born again". Many professing Christians talk about believing in God, but never mention the Savior or the new birth, so one can question their profession as only "a disciple" (follower after Christ) --note John 6:66-69.

One who is "born again" by the indwelling and sealing of the Spirit can NEVER lose it or be lost (though they may become carnal and live like the world, and thus lose rewards and commendations at the "Judgment Seat of Christ" in Heaven. A child of God may suffer loss of blessings for unfaithfulness, but it is ignorance of the Word to say one who is born can become unborn (that has never happened in the world). See also John 14:23 for further appreciation of a real believers's security. Look up always!

How is it then that Judas lost his salvation?

Acts 1:16-17

Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus. For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.

Acts 1:25

That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place

Judas was an apostle, numbered among the disciples and was part of the ministry, but he fell from his apostleship because of transgression. Meaning, he was saved until he fell away, and you cannot be saved unless you are born again.
 
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For salvation we must hear the Gospel, then by faith we believe. From there we find in the book of James that we have work to do, after salvation. However there is obedience as well.


Ephesians 2
8- For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9- Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Here first we see that God graces us with faith to hear His Word and believe so that we can be saved.
Secondly we see that we can not work for salvation, however once saved we do have works to do in accordance with other scripture.


James 2
14-What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15-If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16-And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17-Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18-Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19-Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20-But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21-Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22-Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23-And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24-Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25-Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26-For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.


A search on the word obey here:
BibleGateway.com - Keyword Search: obey


And a search on the word rest here:
Blue Letter Bible - Search Results for KJV


You may also read here:
Defining Rest (Hebrews 4:1-10) | Bible.org - Worlds Largest Bible Study Site
 
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Granted, there are some verses that seem problematic but there are too many Scriptures that state one cannot lose their salvation. Here are just a few:

Yes, but we have to remember that all New Testament doctrine originates from the Covenant to which it pertains. Therefore, all of these need to be interpreted according to the dictates of the Covenant from which they originate...

Eternal life is only found in the New Covenant because it is a promise of the Covenant, applicable only to those who are participating in the Covenant.

John 10:27-29
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Yes, the main point here is that NO MAN is able to pluck a person out of God's hand. You are the ONLY one who can put yourself in God's hand, and you are the ONLY one who can take yourself out of His hand. God does not hold a person against their will.

John 6:35-37
35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Yes, all those who the Father draws to Christ shall come to Him - but that does not mean that they will remain in Him, ONLY that they will come to Him. As for verse 37, Jesus will not cast them out, but that (once again) does not mean that the man won't take himself out of Christ's hand. There are accounts of people who used to travel with the Apostle Paul (which means he approved of them for ministry, which appears that they were genuinely "saved") that later "loved this present world" and so returned to their previous life of sin.

Once again, Jesus won't cast them out, but a man can walk away from God all on his own. God will not hold someone against their will, that is counter productive TO His will.


John 5:24
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.


Once again - YES! BUT, this is only one passage pertaining to eternal life out of many, and to take only a few out of the total and build one's doctrine on the few instead of all, is very unwise (as Calvin did). When we look at all the scriptures pertaining to eternal life, this is what we find...

step 1 - believe
step 2 - repent
step 3 - enter into covenant with God through baptism
step 4 - remain in Christ (obedience/walk in love towards others)

Taking passages that ONLY state one has to believe is poor hermeneutics, because that is only the first step. God reveals doctrine to us through PROGRESSIVE REVELATION...a little here, a little there, line upon line, precept upon precept.



1 Peter 1:3-5
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Let's look at this closer...
"begotten us to a lively HOPE" = hope that has come to pass is no longer hope, because it has been realized. Eternal life is both now in principle, but not yet fully realized.

"to an inheritance incorruptible...reserved for you in heaven" = This speaks of the inheritance that is to come, a physical inheritance, not eternal life, but the kingdom that God has prepared for us. "reserved in heaven" does not pertain to eternal life, because we have life now, its just not fully realized yet.

"kept by the power of God through faith" = faith is the conduit, if one ceases to exercise faith in God, then that conduit is closed off...

"unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time." = this word "salvation" here is one of the few times that the word stands synonymous with eternal life. Eternal life is "revealed" - or fully experienced - not until the "last time." That time is not yet, for we are still here!



1 Peter 1:23
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Another common mistake...being "born again" does NOT mean that one has eternal life for ever, it simply means that the Spirit of God has come in to dwell within the believer, and as long as he remains exercising faith in God, and remains abiding in Christ, the Spirit remains dwelling in him.

The basic scripture that pertains to eternal life which guides ALL OTHER scriptures on the subject, states that eternal life is ONLY found in Christ. Thus the admonitions in the Gospel of John and in the letters of John to remain abiding in Christ, for if we cease to remain abiding in Christ, then we cease to enjoy the promise of the Covenant of eternal life.


Romans 8:38-39
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Yes, but this is taken out of context. Jesus loves all men, yet all men are not saved. Also, taken in Covenant understanding, this is a verse that only pertains to those who are participating in the Covenant. As long as we remain abiding in the Covenant, absolutely nothing can separate us from His active love in our lives.

However, we remain in His love - in His grace - through faith, hence if we cease to exercise faith in Christ, we fall from grace, we are no longer abiding in the Covenant, and our sins once again separate us from the life of God that He desires to share with us.


Romans 11:29
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. (irrevocable)

Yes - they are irrevocable to those who remain in the Covenant Relationship with God. God is under no obligation to give a man anything, nor to hold Himself accountable to continue to bless a man who has ceased to abide in His Covenant.


Ephesians 1:13-14
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory

Another common mistake - the "seal" is not like you take a piece of meat and seal it up in a zip-lock baggie, like so many like to make it seem. The word seal means "a mark," we are marked by the indwelling Spirit of God, who ONLY remains indwelling us while we remain abiding in the Covenant.


Ephesians 4:30
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Same as above.


Philippians 1:6
6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:


I see this passage used many times in this fashion, the ONLY problem with this is that the "good work" that is mentioned is NOT specified. Taking it to mean eternal life when it is not obvious that eternal life is what's being addressed, is to assign to it a meaning that is NOT clearly defined. this goes against correct hermeneutical interpretation methods, and is a cause for false teachings.


1 Corinthians 1:6-8
6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:
7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:
8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

So also here...no where is mentioned eternal life here, not even hinted at. "Confirmed" does not mean eternal life, "unto the end" is not clear, it may mean (which is more likely than not) the end of one's life here on this earth. and "blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus" refers to being sin-free on that day. None of these things means directly, or indirectly, eternal life.


1 Thessalonians 5:23-24
23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

Yes, as long as one remains abiding in the Covenant, one will be reserved blameless until the coming of Christ, or until the death of his physical body, whichever comes first. God is faithful, yes, but once again, He will not hold someone against their will...

Revelation 17:14
They will make war on the Lamb, and the Lamb will conquer them, for he is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those with him are called and chosen and faithful."

We also must remain faithful to God, its a two way street and always has been.


Hebrews 6:17-19
17 Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:
18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:
19 Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil;
[high-light mine]

Yes, the hope set before us, the purpose of Christ's coming, the inauguration of the New Covenant and what it brought...the hope of entering into that within the veil - in other words - entering into the very presence of God and being able to enter into Divine Relationship with Him. In that relationship is eternal life, but the main point of Christ's coming and of the Covenant, was NOT to give man eternal life...it was to establish a way into the Holy of Holies so that we could have intimate fellowship with God. Eternal life is nothing but a fringe benefit, NOT the purpose of Christ's coming. Honest study of the Scriptures demonstrates this fact.


1 John 2:19
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

Here God is speaking of "antichrists"...NOT the average Joe who came to Chris for a while and then departed. The term antichrist was reserved specifically for those who rose up against Christianity, not those who simply tried Christianity, preferred the worldly sins of this life, and returned to that life.

Good passages of scripture to be sure, but each one has been twisted a little here and there down through the centuries, passed down to us, and no one but a few here and there bother to check what they have been taught. Much of the traditional teachings of the Church are not according to accuracy. Many of our modern day doctrines need to be re-evaluated according to proper study, in-depth study, and according to the prime interpretational rules of [1] God never contradicts Himself (so if two passages of scripture seem to butt heads, it is your interpretation that is wrong), and [2] interpret scripture by scripture...and if the meaning of a passage is not clear, do not assign to it a meaning, simply bypass it and perhaps the meaning will become clear later with new revelation.

Hope that helps!
 
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You are the ONLY one who can put yourself in God's hand, and you are the ONLY one who can take yourself out of His hand.


So man is the author of salvation? Salvation is of man? Jesus is not the author of salvation? Salvation is not of the Lord?
 
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1 John 2:19
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us
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Here God is speaking of "antichrists"...NOT the average Joe who came to Chris for a while and then departed. The term antichrist was reserved specifically for those who rose up against Christianity, not those who simply tried Christianity, preferred the worldly sins of this life, and returned to that life.

1 John 2:19 is saying if they leave the Faith, they were never in the Faith to begin. If they stayed then they were Christians. If they left, they were never Christians to begin with, i.e. false converts.
 
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So man is the author of salvation? Salvation is of man? Jesus is not the author of salvation? Salvation is not of the Lord?

By your logic, does man not have any choice? God either saved him or doesn't, regardless of what the man does.

You don't seem to comprehend this issue.

Let's break it down in a metaphor.

Let's say there is river, you are at one side, heaven is on the other.
You can't cross the river alone without drowning.

This is like it would be before Jesus died. We have no hope, no way to cross.

Then Jesus comes along and builds a drawbridge, with a stop light before it.

Now there is a way across, but if you don't obey the sign, you'll still drown.

If the sign is green and you begin your crossing, but stop in the middle, you still won't make it across.

Keep in mind. Jesus built the Bridge, but you are the one who must cross it. It's not a ferry. HE doesn't grab you and force you across. If you wanted you could even stop and turn around in the middle of crossing.

The way you describe it, sure he's the author, but we must read the book. Our salvation is in our control. We are all given the opportunity. But if any of us does not act on it, we fall. If we do act on it, we are saved.

The opportunity for salvation is absolutely free. The salvation itself is not. We sinned, we had a debt to pay, completely freely, and mercifully, God gave us the chance to escape that fate. But he DID NOT save us. IF that were so, we'd all go to heaven. HE gave us the chance.
 
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LOL! Someone who doesn't believe in the inerrance of the Bible trying to interpret it. If you don't believe in the Bible as the infallible Word of God, then you have nothing to add here. Your interpretation means nothing.

And this response is SHOCKING!

First of all, this is about the 5th time that I have offered NOT my interpretation of scripture, but SCRIPTURE itself. And this is about the 5th time you've completely failed to address the scripture and insulted me.

Furthermore my personal beliefs are not in question here. I'm arguing within the parameters of compliance to the SOF. So it's not your Job to attack my beliefs, it's your Job to respond to the arguments in this discussion if you wish, or otherwise kindly refrain from addressing me.

I have lost every ounce of respect I might have had for you based on your underhanded and nonsensical jabs at me. Furthermore, they are completely irrelevant to the truth and discussion at hand. A Satan worshiper could come into this forum and argue a point with the scriptures and still be correct. The thing about truth is that it is so regardless of subjective perspectives and beliefs. Maybe yours is not.

You hear the scriptures, you know what's the truth, yet you seem to be trying to reject them and rationalize that it's ok because the person who drew your attention to them doesn't share your beliefs, as though somehow, that makes any sense.

I've known people like you my whole life. They want to believe something and they reject all possibility that they may be wrong. When it comes down to it, you'd rather completely ignore an argument then entertain the possibility that you might be wrong. As I said, I fear for you on judgement day, for I've spoken nothing but the truth DIRECTLY supported by scriptures, and you've only tried to mask that by attacking my character. You are playing into Satan's hands and perpetuating the very lie that caused the fall of Satan angels and men.
 
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And this response is SHOCKING!

First of all, this is about the 5th time that I have offered NOT my interpretation of scripture, but SCRIPTURE itself. And this is about the 5th time you've completely failed to address the scripture and insulted me.

Furthermore my personal beliefs are not in question here. I'm arguing within the parameters of compliance to the SOF. So it's not your Job to attack my beliefs, it's your Job to respond to the arguments in this discussion if you wish, or otherwise kindly refrain from addressing me.

I have lost every ounce of respect I might have had for you based on your underhanded and nonsensical jabs at me. Furthermore, they are completely irrelevant to the truth and discussion at hand. A Satan worshiper could come into this forum and argue a point with the scriptures and still be correct. The thing about truth is that it is so regardless of subjective perspectives and beliefs. Maybe yours is not.

You hear the scriptures, you know what's the truth, yet you seem to be trying to reject them and rationalize that it's ok because the person who drew your attention to them doesn't share your beliefs, as though somehow, that makes any sense.

I've known people like you my whole life. They want to believe something and they reject all possibility that they may be wrong. When it comes down to it, you'd rather completely ignore an argument then entertain the possibility that you might be wrong. As I said, I fear for you on judgement day, for I've spoken nothing but the truth DIRECTLY supported by scriptures, and you've only tried to mask that by attacking my character. You are playing into Satan's hands and perpetuating the very lie that caused the fall of Satan angels and men.



Such anger.

I'm not ignoring an argument. I'm just ignoring you. I do not debate professing Christians who believe the Bible is not infallible and inerrant.
 
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2 Cornthians 11:14-15

"And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."

Again, I illuminate the dilemma you face. My whole ideology is that I do not hold the Bible ABOVE God. MY metaphor there wasn't talking about Satan in disguise. I theorize that if Jesus himself were to tell you that there was a mistake in the Bible, your faith would reject it so that you would just believe it was Satan trying to trick you.

I personally believe that this sort of reverence is idolatry. No book or any physical object is above the almighty.

This isn't opinion, this is simple fact: The authorship of the synoptic gospels can not be verified. The earliest traceable finding of them involved absolutely no knowledge of their origins. Most of the demographic information about them is assumed (such as the authorship.) Because of this, I don't reject that anyone could have had them before they were collected and canonized by the church. For that matter, the catholic church had a good couple hundred year window in which the scriptures were exclusively available to them and thus could have been tampered with without anyone knowing about it. How would anyone know when the priests were the only ones who could read it?

Again, none of that is opinion, if you had the mind, you could go verify every word. Now I do believe that the Bible is true. But I am able to accept that it is possible it might not be. Sue me.
 
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I want to thank everyone for responding to this thread. It has certainly been illuminating but as you can see there are points on both sides of this one. For many years I didn't entertain the notion that I could lose my salvation but for some reason in the last ten years or so it's been an issue within me. I'm sure everyone understands that I don't want to be wrong about this particular issue so I ask for your prayers that this will be resolved within me and anyone else struggeling with the same thing.
 
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So man is the author of salvation? Salvation is of man? Jesus is not the author of salvation? Salvation is not of the Lord?

You did not listen to what I said.

Jesus is the author of eternal life and of salvation, that has nothing to do with what I said. You can author a book, but that does not mean I will buy it. Jesus is the author, but I have to choose it.
 
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.1 John 2:19 is saying if they leave the Faith, they were never in the Faith to begin. If they stayed then they were Christians. If they left, they were never Christians to begin with, i.e. false converts.


No, that is not what it is talking about. Read it in context...

1 John 2:18-19
18 Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.


Every person who ever grace a church pew and then left is NOT an antichrist, and to say so you are putting words in God's mouth. You are making the same mistake that calvinists make in taking passages out of their context, which is to give the passage a false interpretation.
 
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What are the conditions (if any) for salvation?

The conditions for receiving salvation (deliverance from the power of sin, which is an element of the Atonement in Christ) is coming to God in faith.

If you refer to eternal life, the only requirement is to remain in Christ, and to remain in Christ we must obey His command to love on people whenever we see opportunity to do so.

The New Covenant does not give us a command that we cannot keep.
 
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No, that is not what it is talking about. Read it in context...

1 John 2:18-19
18 Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.


Every person who ever grace a church pew and then left is NOT an antichrist, and to say so you are putting words in God's mouth. You are making the same mistake that calvinists make in taking passages out of their context, which is to give the passage a false interpretation.


It's not talking about pew sitters, it's talking about so-called members who were false teachers who were promoting false doctrines. They left because they were never truely of the faith. That's the context.
 
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So, that's the only command Christ gave us? To love on people?


That is the new command...

John 13:34
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.

This is the new commandment. However...

John 14:15
"If you love me, you will keep my commandments.

As God in the flesh, He also re-addressed the 10 commandments in the sermon on the mount and brought them down to the internal level, which all are counted as being obeyed by loving on people...

Romans 13:8-10
8 Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.
9 For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet," and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

and...

Galatians 5:14
For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."

All of the law, the righteous requirement of the law, fulfilled in loving your neighbor, defined as anyone you see who has a need, whether it be mowing your neighbor's yard for them, or helping you co-worker with his load of work...
 
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