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3 Angels Messages,
Michael the archangel is NOT Jesus Christ.
Michael the archangel is NOT Jesus Christ.
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3 Angels Messages said:http://www.christianforums.com/t7655126/#post60476518
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http://www.christianforums.com/t7655126/#post60478069
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Well, I hope that you remain to consider the further scriptural texts that are coming, that you might take some time to reconsider carefully. I am not asking anyone to jump in without a lot of study, neither without much scriptural evidence... for I know that this study is more difficult for some and takes time.3 Angels Messages,
Michael the archangel is NOT Jesus Christ.
You can twist scripture all you want, but it won't change the fact that the disgusting heresy you're preaching is false. ICXC NIKA
3 Angels Messages said:http://www.christianforums.com/t7655126/#post60476518
http://www.christianforums.com/t7655126/#post60476555
http://www.christianforums.com/t7655126/#post60476577
http://www.christianforums.com/t7655126/#post60476603
http://www.christianforums.com/t7655126/#post60478069
http://www.christianforums.com/t7655126-2/#post60478184
http://www.christianforums.com/t7655126-2/#post60478241
http://www.christianforums.com/t7655126-2/#post60483755
http://www.christianforums.com/t7655126-3/#post60483954
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Because it is.It is flabbergasting how you can possibly call this "heresy".
The Protestant Reformers were heretics as well. Although I heard Luther was fun to hang out with.You do realize that you just threw out the majority of our Protestant reformers out the window and labeled them all heretics?
Ridiculous.To label Christ as "Michael" is not heretical. What is heretical is to believe that Michael (who is Christ) is a created cherubim/angel (like the JW's wrongfully do).
Micheal's name is in the form of a question. "Who is like unto God?" Meaning no one is.But Michael is God, from all eternity. He is equal with God the Father.
Scriptures are clear: There is NONE like God. Obviously then, Michael cannot be an cherubim angel, for if Michael were a cherubim angel, his very name would be blasphemous! "One who is like God"
Thus, to make Michael a created angel is HERETICAL, for it would mean believing in a blasphemous being.
"Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:" (Isaiah 28:9,10)
It is flabbergasting how you can possibly call this "heresy".
You do realize that you just threw out the majority of our Protestant reformers out the window and labeled them all heretics?
To label Christ as "Michael" is not heretical. What is heretical is to believe that Michael (who is Christ) is a created cherubim/angel (like the JW's wrongfully do).
But Michael is God, from all eternity. He is equal with God the Father.
Scriptures are clear: There is NONE like God. Obviously then, Michael cannot be an cherubim angel, for if Michael were a cherubim angel, his very name would be blasphemous! "One who is like God"
Thus, to make Michael a created angel is HERETICAL, for it would mean believing in a blasphemous being.
Uhmmm, I guess this guy's parents committed blasphemy when they named their son Michael, huh?
And their brethren of the house of their fathers were, Michael, and Meshullam, and Sheba, and Jorai, and Jacan, and Zia, and Heber, seven. 1 Chronicles 5:13
PS. Michael means "who is like God?"
Because it is.
The Protestant Reformers were heretics as well. Although I heard Luther was fun to hang out with.
Ridiculous.
Micheal's name is in the form of a question. "Who is like unto God?" Meaning no one is.
zeke37 said:in Jude, all Michael "the arcangel" says to Satan is "the Lord rebuke you",
inconsistant with Christ's actions in the Gospels. - http://www.christianforums.com/t7655126-2/#post60482351
OK, so let us now look at [Part 2] of zeke37's post in this [as Part 1, and even part 3 were primarily addressed in the OP, but more will come on Part 3 a little later]...3 Angels Messages said:http://www.christianforums.com/t7655126/#post60476518
http://www.christianforums.com/t7655126/#post60476555
http://www.christianforums.com/t7655126/#post60476577
http://www.christianforums.com/t7655126/#post60476603
http://www.christianforums.com/t7655126/#post60478069
http://www.christianforums.com/t7655126-2/#post60478184
http://www.christianforums.com/t7655126-2/#post60478241
http://www.christianforums.com/t7655126-2/#post60483755
http://www.christianforums.com/t7655126-3/#post60483954
http://www.christianforums.com/t7655126-3/#post60484819
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#1. When it comes to heavenly beings, the names actually describe what the celestial being is. You cannot compare the names of heavenly beings as paralleling what we name people on earth.
#2. It is debated as to whether that name is truly in the form of a question. Nonetheless, the implication of the question is readily apparent: That Michael is as God is. Other definition: "One who is as God is". The notion that it is a question does not deter from what is being implicated. The implicated answer to the question is: Yes, Michael is as God is. Otherwise, it makes no sense for the name of a celestial being to ask such a question without implicating an actual characteristic of that being.
At any rate, all I ask is that you seriously consider the scriptures provided by 3 Angels, and then form your conclusion based on the "totality" and "entire weight" of evidence from the scriptures.
Blessings.
3 Angels Messages said:http://www.christianforums.com/t7655126/#post60476518
http://www.christianforums.com/t7655126/#post60476555
http://www.christianforums.com/t7655126/#post60476577
http://www.christianforums.com/t7655126/#post60476603
http://www.christianforums.com/t7655126/#post60478069
http://www.christianforums.com/t7655126-2/#post60478184
http://www.christianforums.com/t7655126-2/#post60478241
http://www.christianforums.com/t7655126-2/#post60483755
http://www.christianforums.com/t7655126-3/#post60483954
http://www.christianforums.com/t7655126-3/#post60484819
http://www.christianforums.com/t7655126-4/#post60485547
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Michael is not the name of God.
Hi Lionking, please take some time with these posts, as more are coming, and consider that the scriptures are not designating Michael as a created being [and neither am I], since He is Jesus, he is Uncreated, Creator - God [the Son]. Jesus is the name He took while taking upon himself humanity. Michael means as the OP points out means "Who is Like unto God?" and this is the perfect question that satan [a creature] must come to in the battle with Christ Jesus. If you have specific questions, let us go over them, and please take note that there is still yet much more to come. Thank you!...PS. It is blasphemous to give ANY creature (whether in heaven or on earth) the name reserved for God. Michael is not the name of God.
Christ/Michael is that messenger, of the Father...God is spirit, not man.
Michael isn't God or Jesus.
Why would most angels be adamant about anonymity but the name Michael is thrown out there?
Im more interested in the One that sent the messenger.
Hi Lionking, please take some time with these posts, as more are coming, and consider that the scriptures are not designating Michael as a created being [and neither am I], since He is Jesus, he is Uncreated, Creator - God [the Son]. Jesus is the name He took while taking upon himself humanity. Michael means as the OP points out means "Who is Like unto God?" and this is the perfect question that satan [a creature] must come to in the battle with Christ Jesus. If you have specific questions, let us go over them, and please take note that there is still yet much more to come. Thank you!