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1 Samuel 26:21 Then said Saul, I have sinned: return, my son David: for I will no more do thee harm, because my soul was precious in thine eyes this day: behold, I have played the fool, and have erred exceedingly.

2 Samuel 3:33 And the king lamented over Abner, and said, Died Abner as a fool dieth?

Psalms 14:1 <<To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.>> The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Psalms 49:10 For he seeth that wise men die, likewise the fool and the brutish person perish, and leave their wealth to others.

Psalms 53:1 <<To the chief Musician upon Mahalath, Maschil, A Psalm of David.>> The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Psalms 92:6 A brutish man knoweth not; neither doth a fool understand this.

Proverbs 7:22 He goeth after her straightway, as an ox goeth to the slaughter, or as a fool to the correction of the stocks;

Proverbs 10:8 The wise in heart will receive commandments: but a prating fool shall fall.

Proverbs 10:10 He that winketh with the eye causeth sorrow: but a prating fool shall fall.

Proverbs 10:18 He that hideth hatred with lying lips, and he that uttereth a slander, is a fool.

Proverbs 10:23 It is as sport to a fool to do mischief: but a man of understanding hath wisdom.

Proverbs 11:29 He that troubleth his own house shall inherit the wind: and the fool shall be servant to the wise of heart.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.
Proverbs 12:16 A fool&#8216;s wrath is presently known: but a prudent man covereth shame.

Proverbs 13:16 Every prudent man dealeth with knowledge: but a fool layeth open his folly.

Proverbs 14:16 A wise man feareth, and departeth from evil: but the fool rageth, and is confident.

Proverbs 15:5 A fool despiseth his father&#8217;s instruction: but he that regardeth reproof is prudent.

Proverbs 17:7 Excellent speech becometh not a fool: much less do lying lips a prince.

Proverbs 17:10 A reproof entereth more into a wise man than an hundred stripes into a fool.

Proverbs 17:12 Let a bear robbed of her whelps meet a man, rather than a fool in his folly.

Proverbs 17:16 Wherefore is there a price in the hand of a fool to get wisdom, seeing he hath no heart to it?
Proverbs 17:21 He that begetteth a fool doeth it to his sorrow: and the father of a fool hath no joy.

Proverbs 17:24 Wisdom is before him that hath understanding; but the eyes of a fool are in the ends of the earth.
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Proverbs 17:28 Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.

Proverbs 18:2 A fool hath no delight in understanding, but that his heart may discover itself.
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Proverbs 18:6 A fool&#8216;s lips enter into contention, and his mouth calleth for strokes.
Proverbs 18:7 A fool&#8216;s mouth is his destruction, and his lips are the snare of his soul.

Proverbs 19:1 Better is the poor that walketh in his integrity, than he that is perverse in his lips, and is a fool.
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Proverbs 19:10 Delight is not seemly for a fool; much less for a servant to have rule over princes.

Proverbs 20:3 It is an honour for a man to cease from strife: but every fool will be meddling.
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Proverbs 23:9 Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words.

Proverbs 24:7 Wisdom is too high for a fool: he openeth not his mouth in the gate.

Proverbs 26:1 As snow in summer, and as rain in harvest, so honour is not seemly for a fool.
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Proverbs 26:3 A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool&#8216;s back.
Proverbs 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
Proverbs 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
Proverbs 26:6 He that sendeth a message by the hand of a fool cutteth off the feet, and drinketh damage.
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Proverbs 26:8 As he that bindeth a stone in a sling, so is he that giveth honour to a fool.
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Proverbs 26:10 The great God that formed all things both rewardeth the fool, and rewardeth transgressors.
Proverbs 26:11 As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.
Proverbs 26:12 Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him.

Proverbs 27:3 A stone is heavy, and the sand weighty; but a fool&#8216;s wrath is heavier than them both.
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Proverbs 27:22 Though thou shouldest bray a fool in a mortar among wheat with a pestle, yet will not his foolishness depart from him.

Proverbs 28:26 He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.

Proverbs 29:11 A fool uttereth all his mind: but a wise man keepeth it in till afterwards.
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Proverbs 29:20 Seest thou a man that is hasty in his words? there is more hope of a fool than of him.

Proverbs 30:22 For a servant when he reigneth; and a fool when he is filled with meat;

Ecclesiastes 2:14 The wise man&#8217;s eyes are in his head; but the fool walketh in darkness: and I myself perceived also that one event happeneth to them all.
Ecclesiastes 2:15 Then said I in my heart, As it happeneth to the fool, so it happeneth even to me; and why was I then more wise? Then I said in my heart, that this also is vanity.
Ecclesiastes 2:16 For there is no remembrance of the wise more than of the fool for ever; seeing that which now is in the days to come shall all be forgotten. And how dieth the wise man? as the fool.
Ecclesiastes 2:19 And who knoweth whether he shall be a wise man or a fool? yet shall he have rule over all my labour wherein I have laboured, and wherein I have shewed myself wise under the sun. This is also vanity.

Ecclesiastes 4:5 The fool foldeth his hands together, and eateth his own flesh.

Ecclesiastes 5:3 For a dream cometh through the multitude of business; and a fool&#8216;s voice is known by multitude of words.

Ecclesiastes 6:8 For what hath the wise more than the fool? what hath the poor, that knoweth to walk before the living?

Ecclesiastes 7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool: this also is vanity.

Ecclesiastes 10:2 A wise man&#8217;s heart is at his right hand; but a fool&#8216;s heart at his left.
Ecclesiastes 10:3 Yea also, when he that is a fool walketh by the way, his wisdom faileth him, and he saith to every one that he is a fool.
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Ecclesiastes 10:12 The words of a wise man&#8217;s mouth are gracious; but the lips of a fool will swallow up himself.
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Ecclesiastes 10:14 A fool also is full of words: a man cannot tell what shall be; and what shall be after him, who can tell him?

Jeremiah 17:11 As the partridge sitteth on eggs, and hatcheth them not; so he that getteth riches, and not by right, shall leave them in the midst of his days, and at his end shall be a fool.

Hosea 9:7 The days of visitation are come, the days of recompence are come; Israel shall know it: the prophet is a fool, the spiritual man is mad, for the multitude of thine iniquity, and the great hatred.

Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Luke 12:20 But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided?

1 Corinthians 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.

1 Corinthians 15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

2 Corinthians 11:16 I say again, Let no man think me a fool; if otherwise, yet as a fool receive me, that I may boast myself a little.
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2 Corinthians 11:23 Are they ministers of Christ? (I speak as a fool) I am more; in labours more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths oft.

2 Corinthians 12:6 For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth: but now I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me to be, or that he heareth of me.
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2 Corinthians 12:11 I am become a fool in glorying; ye have compelled me: for I ought to have been commended of you: for in nothing am I behind the very chiefest apostles, though I be nothing.


--- What is a 'fool' ? - one definition is a 'godless' person ... I don't find that very useful as a definition though, because no-one can be without God in my understanding of Love [which is how we all come to know God]
 
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fools are unspiritual people that have no sense for the divine things of the creator. you can talk to them for hours about spiritual things they dont understand it. it is beyond their grasp. its like a football player talking to a guy who is a football expert, the tv expert knows every game, every result, every player every move but all he does is talk talk talk, he doesnt really understand the game. thats why the quarterback and the tv-fan are talking to each other but theres no communication..
 
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A fool was anyone dim-witted, lacking in common sense, uneducated, or had below the social norms of intelligence.

Aesop(600bc) represented the fool as the grasshopper who played the summer away, while the wise ant stored away food.

With the Hellenization of Judaism around 300bc, the moral of the wisdom stories began to change, as some of Judaism began to accept the concept of an afterlife. Thus existence made the transition from being utter vanity, and accumulated wealth the divine reward, to finally the accumulation of good deeds for the judgment.
 
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evidence of the divine 'reward' to the Hebrews known by all seems to pre-date that :-

Genesis 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
 
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If one is led to see accurately they will see the fool and the wise bound together in this present life and that it's a personal matter. That is why Solomon gave his dictates in alternating fashions. Both are directed to one 'set' of ears. One ear hears. The other, not.

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evidence of the divine 'reward' to the Hebrews known by all seems to pre-date that :-

Genesis 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
It would, seem that way. But Genesis is not as old as even Deuteronomy.
 
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We know a little of Enoch's life besides the book of Enoch which has sadly many versions , but clearly was worth the acts of corrupting it by Satan... even that speaks volumes about the influence Enoch must have had ...

Gen 5:22 And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:

23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:
 
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Ok. Mark 15:38. The Temple Curtain is Torn open. That means you can go direct to the Father in Heaven. Will the fool or the wise man go in. The wise man states it is symbolic, He turns to the fool, But the fool is no where to be seen.

I is that fool.
Almost.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]84.[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, serif][... The] curtain (of the Temple) was torn [in order to reveal] the Bridal-Chamber, (which) is nothing other than the image [of the ...] place above. [...] Its curtain was torn from the top to the bottom, for it was appropriate for some from below to go above.[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, serif](Mk 15:38, Th 84; hyperlinear)
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]136.[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Yet the mysteries of the truth are revealed, composed in symbolic images.[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]¹[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]But the Bedroom is hidden&#8212;it is the Saint within the Holiness.[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, serif](Ph 82/83; [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]¹[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ph 72; hyperlinear) [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]137.[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The veil (of the Temple) indeed at first concealed how God governs the creation. Yet (once) the veil was torn and the things within were revealed, then this house was to be forsaken (and[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]¹[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]) desolate, yet moreover to be destroyed. Yet the entire Divinity departed from these places not within the holies of the holies, for (the Divinity)[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]was not (there) able to unite with the Light nor unite with the flawless fullness. But rather it was to be under the wings of the cross[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]²[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, serif][and in] its arms. [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]([/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]¹[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]asyndeton[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]; Ex 26:31-34, Mt 27:51/23:38/24:2, Ph 84; this entry must be dated after 70 AD; hyperlinear)
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Pretty much. There are some very good attempts to reconstruct the letters of Paul though.
I think it would be the Holy Spirit alone who can say how good they are or not
which is indeed the point which God makes about teaching His church of saints Himself [e.g, the new covenant Jer 31:31-34]
 
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I think it would be the Holy Spirit alone who can say how good they are or not
which is indeed the point which God makes about teaching His church of saints Himself [e.g, the new covenant Jer 31:31-34]
It depends on how you look at it. Some would say that the Holy spirit dictated the original letters and any ensuing alterations would be tares inserted by the devil. Others would say that God inspired later men to insert the changes.

That is a disagreement that I personally have no power to resolve. I see no harm in reading either; to me, they tell me what the men who wrote them believed. So what if the men who altered Paul did not believe just as he believed? He was sure the world would end before he died. He was wrong. I just personally like to know who wrote what.

I think that the Holy Spirit does not just inspire the writer, but also the reader, as long as we read with discernment and knowledge.

" Ignorance is the mother of all evil."~ Philip
 
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That is a disagreement that I personally have no power to resolve. I see no harm in reading either; to me, they tell me what the men who wrote them believed. So what if the men who altered Paul did not believe just as he believed? He was sure the world would end before he died. He was wrong. I just personally like to know who wrote what.
It's easy to charge God with error. It's quite another thing to prove it, which you have not.
 
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