Why I Support A Primary Challenge To Barack Obama - And Won't Vote For Him Again

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I just found a very interesting site.

I think members of both the right, AND the left will find it interesting reading, although somewhat uncomfortable for the left.

Meantime us rational, centrist, paleoconservatives can just nod sadly and say "well, its not that I want to say 'I told you so', but..."

Three years ago, when Barack Obama was merely a candidate for the Democratic nomination for the presidency, I began to encounter some troubling signs that he was not what he appeared to be. Several columnists whom I trust were warning, even then, that this man was a conservative in progressives' clothing and that was evident from his voting record as a senator if anyone would bother to check, and from some of the speeches he gave before the Chicago Council On Global Affairs, speeches in which his militaristic adventurism was on full display. Many of his campaign team policy advisers were neoconservatives, most hired out of the Bush administration. It didn't look good, but when I mentioned this to my progressive friends, I was uniformly shouted down - so fervent was the desire for real change from the horror of the Bush years. So I shut up, and like them, voted for the man, however reluctantly. Then I moved to a home in a place where Internet service was not available, and my ability to research was largely cut off for several months. I was unable to do much research.

When my access to the Internet was finally restored, just days before he was inagurated as president, I was finally able to sit down and do some serious research on this man. And what I discovered was nothing short of appalling. He had been a CIA asset fresh out of college (which is why his Columbia transcript has never been released, and professors there have been forbidden from talking about him - and why the details of his post-college employment at a CIA front company have been kept very sketchy), and he had been trained in propaganda and disinformation, which is what he practiced on that job. The Washington Post reported the very day my Internet was turned on, that he had reassured conservatives just the day before that he had every intention of "reforming" Social Security and Medicare, but had to wait until the economy was in better shape before he could do so.
So it came as no surprise to me at all when I began to see that he was indeed a Manchurian Candidate, designed to appear to be a refreshing progressive, but a man with a hidden agenda, largely implemented out of sight, that it is hard to describe as anything other than hard-core neoconservative, in some ways, even more so than his predecessor. Over time, a lot of my progressive friends have slowly come around to recognizing that what I tried to warn them of was true. But alas, it is too late. We were stuck with yet another neoconservative, this one with a winning smile, a slick, smooth manner and a whole lot of political capital to spend on nefarious projects. So the big question now facing the progressive community is what to do about it next year. Do we vote for Obama and watch ourselves be betrayed for another four years? Do we vote for a third-party candidate and throw our votes away? And watch some Republican wingnut take the helm of the Ship of State? Our dilemma was very arrogantly summed up by Obama's sleazy chief of staff at the time, Rahm Emmanuel, who, when asked about Obama's betrayal of the progressives that put him in office, said, "So what? Where they gonna go?"

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I just found a very interesting site.

I think members of both the right, AND the left will find it interesting reading, although somewhat uncomfortable for the left.

Meantime us rational, centrist, paleoconservatives can just nod sadly and say "well, its not that I want to say 'I told you so', but..."

:doh: I personally find I comical. Anything to slander the president but no new ideas that actually help America.
 
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:doh: I personally find I comical. Anything to slander the president but no new ideas that actually help America.
And, other than a knee jerk reaction to laugh off any criticism of Obama, you found what, specifically, about the essay "comical"?
 
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"D" or "R", they all represent the same interests. Even if there could be a challenger for the Democrat nomination that person would also have the interests of the capitalist corporate class at heart.

You can't run for President of this nation without the backing of those with big money, and in turn as the holder of that office you WILL be representing them, not the sheeple. That is why corporate/private money HAS to be banished from the system we have in place for electing our "representatives."
 
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I could imagine it could be true, but would have to see more evidence for such a big claim. I'm not American so I can't be asked searching myself :p
Claim? I founf the ninteresting bit to be the opinion, about Obama getting away with stuff a Republican wouldn't get away with.
 
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I have several issues with that essay. The biggest being it doesn't source any of its evidence. I am honestly interested in what the author had to say, but I would also like to see the evidence that he/she is pointing to.

I agree the lack of footnote is an issue, but the part I thought particularly interesting, i.e. the "If McCain did this, we'd lynch him, but Obama gets away with it", doesn't really need references, since most, if not all, of the examples cited are taken from pretty well known incidents.
 
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I agree the lack of footnote is an issue, but the part I thought particularly interesting, i.e. the "If McCain did this, we'd lynch him, but Obama gets away with it", doesn't really need references, since most, if not all, of the examples cited are taken from pretty well known incidents.

I agree. I just want to know what evidence specifically the author is using when it comes to "If a president McCain had torpedoed the National Labor Relations Board, making it more difficult for labor unions to organize" and "Obama is now getting legislation through congress that would prohibit the closure of Guantanamo" and the like. I'm pretty interested in those two in particular, because if they are true, then I'm going to be rethinking my vote more than I have been (not that I'm voting for Romney :sorry:. Maybe I'll write someone in). I'm sure I could find it on the Internets, but it's too early in the morning.
 
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I agree. I just want to know what evidence specifically the author is using when it comes to "If a president McCain had torpedoed the National Labor Relations Board, making it more difficult for labor unions to organize" and "Obama is now getting legislation through congress that would prohibit the closure of Guantanamo" and the like. I'm pretty interested in those two in particular, because if they are true, then I'm going to be rethinking my vote more than I have been (not that I'm voting for Romney :sorry:. Maybe I'll write someone in). I'm sure I could find it on the Internets, but it's too early in the morning.

I agree that some of his later example did raise my eyebrows a little. But the previous ones made the case to me. Anyway, if you do find anything about those issues, let us know please, and vice versa.
 
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Holy cow! Thanks for this link. I love crazies like this.

"Because hyenas were considered a rather disgusting animal, and the fact that they were believed to engage in homosexual sex predominantly, homosexuality itself began to be considered to be disgusting by them through their association with the animals the ancients considered disgusting."

Because homosexuality became associated with hyenas, an animal believed to rob graves and eat the corpses, it's not surprising that early church fathers and monastics held homosexuality itself to be repugnant since it was associated with such repugnant animals."

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I agree that some of his later example did raise my eyebrows a little. But the previous ones made the case to me. Anyway, if you do find anything about those issues, let us know please, and vice versa.

I was just going to do that, but now the site won't load...
 
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I just found a very interesting site.

I think members of both the right, AND the left will find it interesting reading, although somewhat uncomfortable for the left.

Meantime us rational, centrist, paleoconservatives can just nod sadly and say "well, its not that I want to say 'I told you so', but..."

I was never troubled nor convinced by him.

I knew him for what he was from the start. A plutocrat.

He has not surprised me in the least. He is the darker skinned democratic party version of Ronald Reagan.

Save that he does not have an ex-CIA man as the power behind the throne.
 
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