Do MJ's believe that Yeshua is God?
- Thread starter IsmailaGodHasHeard
- Start date
- Jan 25, 2009
- 19,765
- 1,428
- Faith
- Oriental Orthodox
- Marital Status
- Private
- Politics
- US-Others
100%
Something that may help clarify for you, in regards to what others Messianic Jews have noted before:
Something that may help clarify for you, in regards to what others Messianic Jews have noted before:
There are many others who've often noted the same. If I may ask, curious as to why you were wondering.
Upvote
0
jehoiakim
Servant
- Jun 24, 2011
- 1,166
- 69
- Faith
- Messianic
- Marital Status
- Married
- Politics
- US-Libertarian
yes of course otherwise they wouldn't be messianic, they'd just be regular jews.... I can say that a small percentage of Messianic Jews are "non-trinitarian" To my knowledge they don't disagree that Yeshua/Jesus is God, but they have issues with the theological concept of the trinity
Upvote
0
ChavaK
להיות טוב ולעשות טוב
- May 12, 2005
- 8,524
- 1,803
- Country
- United States
- Faith
- Judaism
- Marital Status
- Widowed
- Politics
- US-Republican
Interesting.....if I may ask, is that the main difference you see between
"regular Jews" and "Messianic"....that belief or lack of belief that Jesus is G-d?
Upvote
0
jehoiakim
Servant
- Jun 24, 2011
- 1,166
- 69
- Faith
- Messianic
- Marital Status
- Married
- Politics
- US-Libertarian
yeah... pretty much, Frankly I am a little surprised by your reaction to that comment.
I mean the messianic camps is quite large in it's respects to interpretation of Torah observance and the oral law, but if they didn't believe in Jesus then I imagine without his teaching they would fall more inline with either the orthodox, conservative, reform or even karaite groups. Of course as for "messianic jews" many of whom are more "messianic gentiles" then anything I don't know what would become of them, perhaps they would become converts to Judaism or obey Noahide laws.The teachings of Jesus/Yeshua and Paul/Shaul have gone deeper naturally confusing theology for many people, throw in a westernized version of Christian teaching beaten down the throats of beleivers for 1800+ years and it gets worse... but yeah if they don't believe in Jesus/Yeshua all those differences goes away and all that is left is Torah, written and oral so...yeah.
Upvote
0
ChavaK
להיות טוב ולעשות טוב
- May 12, 2005
- 8,524
- 1,803
- Country
- United States
- Faith
- Judaism
- Marital Status
- Widowed
- Politics
- US-Republican
There is a much different view of Jesus between Jews and Messianics other than whether he is G-d or not. That is why I was surprised to see your post and why I was clarifying things.
Upvote
0
jehoiakim
Servant
- Jun 24, 2011
- 1,166
- 69
- Faith
- Messianic
- Marital Status
- Married
- Politics
- US-Libertarian
ah...my apologies... I am sorry I think I misunderstood. I didn't realize you were talking about one aspect of Jesus, I thought you were talking about Jesus as "the aspect."
I have heard a few very different opinions of jews, mostly from reform and conservatives (i don't run into many orthodox) and from what I have seen there is a wide range and not a lot of agreement of what they think. I have had some tell me they think he was an out right heretic, some of them didn't know he had anything with judiasm, they didn't realize he was a jew, they thought he was greek, and still others thought he was a great teacher, but not God (still further some say that was because he was wrong, and still others say that is because he was misunderstood). Most it seems are just afraid of the topic of Jesus, understandable because of horrible atrocities committed in the past that were I am deeply ashamed to say, 'done in the name of Christ.' (had I believed Christ taught those things I would not have believed him either) There are a lot of Jewish people in my area, but where I run into people most and build relationships...at work and also church, I don't see them often. The few that I do talk to I am cautious about bringing up the topic at all because I know they have been berated for centuries by "Christians" and I don't want to add to that, and I don't have deep enough relationships with them that I feel comfortable bringing up the topic.
I have heard a few very different opinions of jews, mostly from reform and conservatives (i don't run into many orthodox) and from what I have seen there is a wide range and not a lot of agreement of what they think. I have had some tell me they think he was an out right heretic, some of them didn't know he had anything with judiasm, they didn't realize he was a jew, they thought he was greek, and still others thought he was a great teacher, but not God (still further some say that was because he was wrong, and still others say that is because he was misunderstood). Most it seems are just afraid of the topic of Jesus, understandable because of horrible atrocities committed in the past that were I am deeply ashamed to say, 'done in the name of Christ.' (had I believed Christ taught those things I would not have believed him either) There are a lot of Jewish people in my area, but where I run into people most and build relationships...at work and also church, I don't see them often. The few that I do talk to I am cautious about bringing up the topic at all because I know they have been berated for centuries by "Christians" and I don't want to add to that, and I don't have deep enough relationships with them that I feel comfortable bringing up the topic.
Upvote
0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums
- Jan 25, 2009
- 19,765
- 1,428
- Faith
- Oriental Orthodox
- Marital Status
- Private
- Politics
- US-Others
Upvote
0
tm2cruz
Jesus Freak - Yeshua is my Best Friend
- Nov 13, 2008
- 507
- 29
- Faith
- Word of Faith
- Marital Status
- Single
- Politics
- CA-Conservatives
Easy G (G²);60417435 said:
Yes I agree, the biggest attacks is about the real Jesus/Yeshua and His deity... Some claimed they have the tomb and bones of Jesus and have "papers" to confirm it but there are six tombs in the world claiming they have the body of Jesus and have "papers" to prove it.
Upvote
0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums
ChavaK
להיות טוב ולעשות טוב
- May 12, 2005
- 8,524
- 1,803
- Country
- United States
- Faith
- Judaism
- Marital Status
- Widowed
- Politics
- US-Republican
Muslims believe that all the patriarchs and matriarchs and Jesus were Muslims.
they have a different view regarding the messiahship of Jesus and his death too if I remember correctly.
Upvote
0
- Jan 25, 2009
- 19,765
- 1,428
- Faith
- Oriental Orthodox
- Marital Status
- Private
- Politics
- US-Others
Most Muslims see Jesus as a Jewish prophet due to the ethnicity factor, even though they're of the mindset that He supported Islam/Muslims in ideology. Essentially, their thought is that Jesus may have been a Jew by birth right, but a Muslim by Faith...and in the view of others, Abraham was not a Jew so they take that to mean that Christ was not solely a Jew in His identity (more discussed on the GT boards here ). The issue of Messiahship is held central by them, as many have noted where Christ was noted to be the true Messiah and that he did indeed die--although not fully since the grave could not hold him and it "appeared as if the Romans killed him." There are a lot of nuances that often get forgotten (more discussed here).
Last edited:
Upvote
0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums
- Jan 25, 2009
- 19,765
- 1,428
- Faith
- Oriental Orthodox
- Marital Status
- Private
- Politics
- US-Others
If the bones of Jesus were discovered, it would (in the minds of many) destroy the faith of others who felt He rose...but that is where, IMHO, it comes down to faith. For finding bones doesn't change the reality of answered prayers or the reality of transformed lives by the Power of Christ...nor does it establish that all other beliefs apart from Christ are superior.
Upvote
0
Similar threads
