Do Christians actually believe U.S. is a Christian nation

RETS · Apr 29, 2012

General observation:

"And the fool surmises that with his reading, he is now able to teach the wise. Tis only a fool, and no other, which thinks knowledge surpasses wisdom. So it is, that when the fool attempts instruction, the wise are attentive nonetheless; for the wise know they have only just begun their journey, while the fool believes his to be past."

disciple2011 · Apr 29, 2012

RETS said:
General observation:

"And the fool surmises that with his reading, he is now able to teach the wise. Tis only a fool, and no other, which thinks knowledge surpasses wisdom. So it is, that when the fool attempts instruction, the wise are attentive nonetheless; for the wise know they have only just begun their journey, while the fool believes his to be past."

But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
-Matthew 5:22

RETS · Apr 29, 2012

disciple2011 said:
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
-Matthew 5:22

Considering it was addressed to no one in particular, I suppose I should not be surprised that you would immediately attempt to "enforce" my own beliefs, Adversary.

With that said- Tell me: Who is my brother?

SmellsLikeCurlyFries · Apr 29, 2012

NightHawkeye said:
And what good reason would a person of an "unidentified" faith have for doing so?

*shrug* I like general Christian philosophy, and while it did nothing good for me, I know many people for whom it is their life, and their passion. I just want those people to successfully spread their ideas just like I want for anybody, even if that means having to nudge them in the right direction.

Gentlemantech48 · Apr 29, 2012

The basis of a Christian nation (conforming to the wisdom of God's Holy Word) is Love. When a government gives away "free stuff" to the point that it puts our nation in serious debt for the sake of politics, that is not love. When government agencies destroy the lives of innocent people, even putting them in jail for minor offenses, that is not love. When a president closes his eyes to the evil of Islam to the point that our nation is in jeopardy, that is not love. When a government refuses to work with Israel, our friends for many years, that is not love. When a government supports the killing of babies in the womb, that is not love. When a government wastes money taken from the people on frivolous things, that is not love. When a government attempts to discredit the Holy God that blessed our nation, that is not love. When those in power are more concerned about the power that they possess than the people of the nation, that is not love. When rules and regulations become out of control and burden the people, that is not love. When judges becomes gods, that is not love. So.....is our nation a Christian nation? I don't believe that it is. I simply believe that God Almighty is holding back His wrath for the day of judgement when governments and government officials will be judged. In the mean time we reach out to any who will come to Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

SmellsLikeCurlyFries · Apr 29, 2012

So basically love = Republicans, and all the evil in the world = non-Republicans (but especially Democrats)?

Grizzly · Apr 29, 2012

Gentlemantech48 said:
The basis of a Christian nation (conforming to the wisdom of God's Holy Word) is Love. When a government gives away "free stuff" to the point that it puts our nation in serious debt for the sake of politics, that is not love. When government agencies destroy the lives of innocent people, even putting them in jail for minor offenses, that is not love. When a president closes his eyes to the evil of Islam to the point that our nation is in jeopardy, that is not love. When a government refuses to work with Israel, our friends for many years, that is not love. When a government supports the killing of babies in the womb, that is not love. When a government wastes money taken from the people on frivolous things, that is not love. When a government attempts to discredit the Holy God that blessed our nation, that is not love. When those in power are more concerned about the power that they possess than the people of the nation, that is not love. When rules and regulations become out of control and burden the people, that is not love. When judges becomes gods, that is not love. So.....is our nation a Christian nation? I don't believe that it is. I simply believe that God Almighty is holding back His wrath for the day of judgement when governments and government officials will be judged. In the mean time we reach out to any who will come to Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

Just to stretch your mind a bit, can you think of anything you may have left out? Perhaps something outside of the list of right-wing political talking points you dressed up as your religion? Anything at all that might also be considered "not love"?

stiggywiggy · Apr 29, 2012

disciple2011 said:
Yet I am not the one stating a belief that the US version of Caesar is straight from Holy God.

Nether am I. What are you talking about?

The Christians say it is.

I've never heard any Christian claim that "the US version of Caesar is straight from Holy God."

You have point by point proven it is not.

You're making no sense. If you think that I have somehow proven point by point that "the US version of Caesar is NOT straight from Holy God," then show me where I proved that. For that mattter, show me where I even discussed that. Then you can actually try addressing my last post, which had nothing to do with the US and Casear, but rather with this asinine idea that Jesus had governments in mind when he commanded the Golden Rule.

stiggywiggy · Apr 29, 2012

disciple2011 said:
Churchill was not in power when the Allies raped Germany after WWI.

No one was, since the Allies never raped Germany after WWI.

IF they had done to them what we did after WWII with the Marshall Plan we would have had NO power vacuum to allow a nut job like Hitler in.

Yep. England is responsible for Hitler and Curly says that the US government is to blame for Pearl Harbor. And I believe if Ted Bundy's victims had only practiced the Golden Rule upon Ted, he would have let them live.

But those kooky Christian nations wanted eye for an eye when they were told by THEIR KING eye for and eye was no more.

Wait. Since according to you, the commands of Jesus are not just for individuals, and since Jesus was apparently telling Casear to turn the other cheek to other nations, and since other nations did NOT turn the other cheek to Germany ("You want Ploand? Here, take Austria too"), then I guess these aren't "Christian nations" after all. So you have no point.

They broke the Second Great Command of their KING.

That absurdity can only be expressed by someone deluded into thinking that Christ gave commands to nations, as opposed to individuals. Look at the Bible. Jesus addresses people directly: his disciples, the Pharisees, the Sadducees. He never once addressed governments. Individuals had cheeks to turn. Governments do not. Individuals had cloaks and tunics to give. Governments do not.

Every command of Jesus was meant for His disciples only. He never gave a command to anyone else.

Most Christians want to be king

You continue to make no sense. I have never met a single Christian who expressed a desire to be a king. What makes you type stuff that surely you know people will recognize immediately as false?

Gentlemantech48 · Apr 29, 2012

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Gentlemantech48 · Apr 29, 2012

Grizzly said:
Just to stretch your mind a bit, can you think of anything you may have left out? Perhaps something outside of the list of right-wing political talking points you dressed up as your religion? Anything at all that might also be considered "not love"?

So basically love = Republicans, and all the evil in the world = non-Republicans (but especially Democrats)?

Did I say anything about political parties in my blog? If you have inferred that Democrats don't have love then so be it. I didn't say it, you did.

SmellsLikeCurlyFries · Apr 29, 2012

stiggywiggy said:
No one was, since the Allies never raped Germany after WWI.

Yes, they did. Germany was forced to pay reparations for a war that was NOT their fault, which crashed their economy into a depression worse than ours and left them in a power vacuum, which gave Hitler the conditions he needed to take power.

Little known fact: Germany finally paid off the last of those reparations in 2010, exactly 91 years after they first started paying.

Yep. England is responsible for Hitler and Curly says that the US government is to blame for Pearl Harbor. And I believe if Ted Bundy's victims had only practiced the Golden Rule upon Ted, he would have let them live.

Apples to oranges. In the case of England, Hitler, and World War I and America, Japan, and Pearl Harbor, it's simple historical record. In the case of Ted Bundy, it's just your attempts at taking what we say to the extreme to try and discredit what we say, since you know you can't do it with actual facts.

SmellsLikeCurlyFries · Apr 29, 2012

Gentlemantech48 said:
Did I say anything about political parties in my blog? If you have inferred that Democrats don't have love then so be it. I didn't say it, you did.

Oh come on. Every single thing you listed as "not having love" tend to be Democratic policies, while the opposing policies (which would be "love") tend to be Republican policies.

You can pretend that's not what you were doing all you want, but don't expect people to actually buy what you're selling.

Blackwater Babe · Apr 29, 2012

NightHawkeye said:
And what good reason would a person of an "unidentified" faith have for doing so?

Goes to credibility. If a person claims to be a good Christian, and blatantly breaks Christian moral teachings, its only prudent for surrounding Hindus, atheists and Zoroastrians to take note.

Gentlemantech48 · Apr 29, 2012

SmellsLikeCurlyFries said:
Oh come on. Every single thing you listed as "not having love" tend to be Democratic policies, while the opposing policies (which would be "love") tend to be Republican policies.

You can pretend that's not what you were doing all you want, but don't expect people to actually buy what you're selling.

No! You are absolutely wrong! These are Christian principles and have nothing directly to do with politics. Many Republicans are turning their backs on the ungodly things that government is doing! Why are Republicans allowing people to be put in jail because they accidentally killed an owl or during a blizzard accidentally got their snowmobile on government protected land? Why are Republicans not standing up for Israel who has been our friend for so many years? Why are Republicans not doing more to stop abortion? Why are Republicans not screaming foul when the President of the United States says "the war on terror is over"? WE are a sinful nation, Republican, Democratic, and Independent. God does not judge by party, He judges by our love for one another!

Blackwater Babe · Apr 29, 2012

Gentlemantech48 said:
No! You are absolutely wrong! These are Christian principles and have nothing directly to do with politics. Many Republicans are turning their backs on the ungodly things that government is doing! Why are Republicans allowing people to be put in jail because they accidentally killed an owl or during a blizzard accidentally got their snowmobile on government protected land? Why are Republicans not standing up for Israel who has been our friend for so many years? Why are Republicans not doing more to stop abortion? Why are Republicans not screaming foul when the President of the United States says "the war on terror is over"? WE are a sinful nation, Republican, Democratic, and Independent. God does not judge by party, He judges by our love for one another!

*sigh*

Gentlemantech48 · Apr 29, 2012

"sigh" back at you.

Luke 6:46 (NKJV)

But why do you call Me "Lord, Lord,' and not do the things which I say?

Matthew 7:21 (NKJV)

"Not everyone who says to Me, "Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

This is all I have left to say. God forgive you and may you repent before the day of judgement.

SmellsLikeCurlyFries · Apr 29, 2012

Gentlemantech48 said:
This is all I have left to say. God forgive you and may you repent before the day of judgement.

Forgive us for what? Repent of what?

Trogool · Apr 29, 2012

Gentlemantech48 said:
"sigh" back at you.

Luke 6:46 (NKJV)

But why do you call Me "Lord, Lord,' and not do the things which I say?

Matthew 7:21 (NKJV)

"Not everyone who says to Me, "Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

This is all I have left to say. God forgive you and may you repent before the day of judgement.

I'm lol'ing so hard right now; what are you even talking about.

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conamer · Apr 29, 2012

SmellsLikeCurlyFries said:
Japan bombed Pearl Harbor because we stopped trade with them after they invaded Vietnam. They invaded Vietnam so they could have an empire just like we did, and Britain did, and France did, etc. Japan has very little in the way of natural resources like iron and oil, which the other Asian nations had. By cutting off trade with them, we starved them of even more iron and oil, that they needed to function as a society.

There were other things we did, but the basic point is that Japan attacked Pearl Harbor because we egged them on. Had we followed the Golden Rule through our entire history, Japan would have had no reason to bomb Pearl Harbor.

All we had to do was give them what they wanted and they would have left us alone, until we were next on their hit list. Give them the oil and steel they wanted, and it would buy us time while they got stronger, and we got weaker.

Not really. When you take history into context, there's a very strong argument to be made for why conflating the individual with Caesar (which is made up of individuals, making the distinction meaningless) is actually a beneficial philosophy.

Wow how ignorant. One who wants peace at all costs doesn't know that war is a one way street. Just because you don't like war doesn't mean mean you aren't at war when the other side says they are at war with you by what they do and say.

So while Japan was RAPING China all we had to do to keep the peace was give them what they wanted.

It's our fault the Japanese bombed Peal Harbor, how very Ron Paul of you.

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