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You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.

I think that "we" is not as in "we the Jews" as most contend.

"We" as in "we who are not of this world".
(See John 3:31, 8:23, and others)

I think Paul was partial saying stay away from genealogies, and should have gone further saying avoid racism.

Peace.
 
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...why did Jesus call this Samaritan a "stranger/foreigner/alien" is he was of Israelite descent? The answer ought to be obvious...
If going by the logic that having Israelite descent excludes having a mixture of any kind at any point, you do realize that both Joshua and Caleb in the scriptures both were considered of Israelite descent and yet had differing/foreign blood in them....correct? On Joshua, Nun, in the Hebrew Bible, was a man from the Tribe of Ephraim since Joseph's wife is Egyptian where the tribe of Ephraim sprang from ( Exodus 33:10-12, Numbers 11:27-29 , Numbers 13:15-17 , Numbers 14:29-31 , Numbers 26:64-65 , Numbers 27:17-19 , Numbers 32:11-13 , etc).
I Chronicles 7:20-26

Ephraim

20 The descendants of Ephraim:
Shuthelah, Bered his son,
Tahath his son, Eleadah his son,
Tahath his son, 21 Zabad his son
and Shuthelah his son.

Ezer and Elead were killed by the native-born men of Gath, when they went down to seize their livestock. 22 Their father Ephraim mourned for them many days, and his relatives came to comfort him. 23 Then he made love to his wife again, and she became pregnant and gave birth to a son. He named him Beriah,[] because there had been misfortune in his family. 24 His daughter was Sheerah, who built Lower and Upper Beth Horon as well as Uzzen Sheerah.
25 Rephah was his son, Resheph his son,[d
Telah his son, Tahan his son,
26 Ladan his son, Ammihud his son,
Elishama his son, 27 Nun his son
and Joshua his son.


Something to give more info, in light of how Ephraim/Manasseah were adopted by Jacob into the 12 tribes (despite their being Egyptian via their mother/how they grew up)--and with Ephraim and Manasseh, though physically half-Israelites, Gentiles in the truest sense:
The subject of the blessing is very significant when it comes to studying the issue of passing on callings/responsibilities to others and (as was common in that culture) ADopting others into a tribe. There was nothing wrong with blessing Gentiles. For example, Jacob blessed the Pharaoh of Egypt, a rank pagan. In Genesis 47:7-10, the text declares, "and Jacob blessed Pharaoh…"

The passing of blessings from the hands of a godly man was for God himself to bless that person, individually. In other words when a righteous person passed a blessing to another person, God honored it without question. Nowhere in the significance of laying hands on another and speaking blessings be seen as clearly as it is seen in Genesis when Jacob blessed Ephraim and Manasseh, the two half-Egyptian (Gentile) sons of Joseph in Genesis 48:19-21 /Genesis 48 .
Genesis 48:3
Jacob said to Joseph, “God Almighty[a] appeared to me at Luz in the land of Canaan, and there he blessed me 4 and said to me, ‘I am going to make you fruitful and increase your numbers. I will make you a community of peoples, and I will give this land as an everlasting possession to your descendants after you.’

5 “Now then, your two sons born to you in Egypt before I came to you here will be reckoned as mine; Ephraim and Manasseh will be mine, just as Reuben and Simeon are mine. 6 Any children born to you after them will be yours; in the territory they inherit they will be reckoned under the names of their brothers. 7 As I was returning from Paddan,[b] to my sorrow Rachel died in the land of Canaan while we were still on the way, a little distance from Ephrath. So I buried her there beside the road to Ephrath” (that is, Bethlehem).

With Ephraim/Manasseh ( Genesis 41:51-53 , Genesis 46:19-21/ Genesis 46, Genesis 50:22-24 / Genesis 50, Numbers 1:9-11 / Numbers 1, Deuteronomy 33:16-18 / Deuteronomy 33, Joshua 14:3-5/ Joshua 14 , Joshua 16 , etc ). Just before Jacob died, Joseph brought Ephraim and Manasseh to Jacob, and the two boys knelt before their grandfather. Jacob shocked everyone in the room when he crossed his hands putting his left hand on the head of Manasseh, the eldest son, and his right hand on the head of Ephraim, the younger son. It was the reverse order.

The blessing of Jacob that he gave his grand-children (especially Ephraim) consisted of the five most crucial parts of God's covenant with Israel. First, Jacob asked God to be Lord over Ephraim and Manasseh. Second, Jacob asked God to redeem Ephraim and Manasseh through the messenger of redemption. Third, Jacob gave to Ephraim and Manasseh his own name; that is, he adopted them. Fourth, Jacob gave the name of his forefathers to the boys further indicating their adoption as true sons of Israel. Fifth, Jacob asked God to make Ephraim and Manasseh into a great multitude of people. Clearly, Jacob's blessing of Ephraim and Manasseh by laying his hands upon their heads was the same as the blessings he had bestowed upon his natural born sons earlier.

Jacob's blessing, including the adoption of Ephraim and Manasseh as his own sons, replacing the former Egyptian heritage of these two young men with a new Hebrew heritage. Thus, Ephraim and Manasseh were drafted into Jacob's family. Like Paul noted in Romans 11, they became natural branches, full brothers with the other sons of Israel. This gave Ephraim and Manasseh the same responsibilities and rewards that the natural-born sons already had. The Egyptian identity of Ephraim and Manasseh remained only in the sense of ethnicity/cultural background and origins--but outside of that, they were now considered to be "Hebrews" and they they gained the identity of true Israelites...becoming partakers of the same covenants as the other sons of Israel, and subject to the same commandments and responsibilities as Jacob's natural born sons.

As soon as Jacob's hands touched their heads, and the words of blessings left his mouth, Ephraim and Manasseh became equal partakers of the root and the fatness of the natural olive tree that the apostle Paul wrote about in Romans 11:16-18 / Romans 11 :
"If some of the branches be broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them, to partake of the root and fatness of the olive tree."


When it comes to seeing the ways Gentiles are often treated when they have mixed heritage, it really can help to consider what occurred with Joshua and his half-Egyptian/Gentile desendants were adopted/blessed by Jacob....with the calling/ lifestyle being the basis for acceptance--and the act of adoption carrying significant weight. In one of the books I read earlier last year (recommended by a Messianic Jew) entitled "Arabs in the Shadow of Israel: The Unfolding of God's Prophetic Plan for Ishmael's Line" by Dr.Tony Maalouf, it was very insightful studying up on the bloodlines that the scriptures note---and showing how many of them blended (such as Ishmael's line and Easu's as well, for example) and why they often did so through the act of adopting members into the tribe....and making them one of the people just as it often occurred in Middle-Eastern/African culture.

More on what he said on that can be seen here, including discussing where other tribes from the Israelite culture adopted others/blended for the sake of survival (as what occurred with the line of Simeon or Reuben assimilating in with others for the sake of survival).


On Joshua having a Israelite background, there's no avoidance of the plain reality that Joshua's ancestral line had a strong Gentile background/mixed nature attached to it, for as Genesis 41:41-57 and Genesis 50 notes plainly, Pharoah made Joseph more acceptable to the Egyptian/Gentile populace by giving him an Egyptian name/wife--most likely trying to (1) play down on the fact that Joseph was a nomadic shepherd, an occupation disliked by Egyptians, (2) make Joseph's name easier for Egyptians to pronounce and remember, and (3) show how highly he was honored by giving him the daughter of a prominent Egyptian official. And many other honors were given unto Joseph after that as well---with his sons, Ephraim and Manesseh, all partaking of those honors/benefits that came with the Egyptian culture..be it provision from the Egyptians, riches, or even having their grand-father being embalmed at his death among other things.

Although Jacob adopted his Gentile sons/considered them his own, not all aspects of their Egyptian experience/heritage were automatically erased---and that was well in play with Joshua, who would've been aware of that/his descent and being partially Gentile...with the legacy of having ancestors that actively sought to protect Gentiles as well as the Hebrews. With Joshua, He was blessed in having his Hebrew heritage take precedence due to his ancestors being adopted by Jacob---the entire basis of what was said with what Dr.Tony Maalouf mentioned with tribal clains adopting others and setting precedent for others not ethnically apart of something fully being able to gain acceptance/seen as one of the people

Gentiles were included among the Israelites when it came to their ancestrial birth. That's a plain reality with examples like Ruth, from Gentile nations who became included when they joined together as converts (Ruth 1-4).
 
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Easy G (G²);60408014 said:
If going by the logic that having Israelite descent excludes having a mixture of any kind at any point, you do realize that both Joshua and Caleb in the scriptures both were considered of Israelite descent and yet had differing/foreign blood in them....correct?.

Giving more information from previously, as it concerns Caleb, Caleb had a rather amazing background like Joshua did (seeing how he had Gentile heritage).

As Messianic Rabbi Eric Carlson said best:
Two very famous spies of the twelve, Joshua (also known as Efraiym Hosea, son of Nun) and Caleb made a very different report. Caleb said in Numbers 13:30 "Let us go up at once and take possession, for we are well able to overcome it." God’s anger flared at those who balked at taking possession of the land and the entire generation would perish in the wilderness and never enter the land. Caleb and Joshua however found favor with the Lord for their faith, belief, and their representation of the Lord. These two men of God were allowed to enter the Promised Land and receive their inheritance!

Now, here’s the “One New Man” scriptural revelation! Caleb was not Jewish! He was a Kenizzite (Numbers 32:12), a group of people from the area North and East of the land of Israel in what is now present day Syria. Caleb was a proselytite, a convert to Judaism and the Jewish People. Caleb was integrated into the tribe of Judah and was selected as one of the twelve spies. Caleb and Joshua were the first “One New Man” in the Bible, a Jew and Gentile who came together as one to inherit the promises given to Abraham. Not only were Joshua and Caleb the first “One New Man”, they were the only two of the twelve spies who said the land could be taken. The promises, fullness, and completeness of the Kingdom of God are for the Jew and Gentile, together as “One New Man”. It is the “One New Man” who will enter God’s rest in Hebrews 4:6-11. Yeshua’s plan for us is to stand together as the One New Man!

Joshua and Caleb set a mighty example for us! Our report should be “The Harvest is ripe and it is ours!

On Caleb, his acceptance despite being Gentile would not be the first occurrence of such happening in the scriptures since there were many from Gentiles cultures who were grafted in. As said best in one resource:
Caleb was "head" (Numbers 13:3) of the Hezronite family in Judah; while Nahshon son of Amminadab was head or prince of the whole tribe (Numbers 1:7). He and Oshea or Joshua, alone of the twelve, on returning from Canaan to Kadesh Barnea, encouraged the people when dispirited by the other spies: "Let us go up at once, and possess the land (he does not for a moment doubt Israel's ability; not Let us try; success is certain, the Lord being on our side), for we are well able to overcome it" (Numbers 13:30). His character answers to his name, all heart. His reward was according to his faith (Numbers 14:24). "My servant Caleb, because he had another spirit, and hath followed Me fully, him will I bring into the land where unto he went, and his seed shall possess it."

Forty-five years afterward Caleb reminded Moses of God's promise, adding that now at 85 he was as strong as then. "Hebron therefore (the land he had trodden upon in faith as a spy, Deuteronomy 1:36) became the inheritance of Caleb, ... because that he wholly followed the Lord God of Israel" (Joshua 14:8-9; Joshua 14:14). He dislodged the three sons of Anak , Joshua 15:14, and gave Achsah his daughter to Othniel, son of Kenaz his brother, for taking Debir. (See ANAK; ACHSAH; DEBIR . In Joshua 15:13, "unto Caleb Joshua gave a part among the children of Judah, according to the commandment of the Lord, ... even the city of Arba, father of Anak-Hebron," it is implied that he was not by birth of Judah, but was given his portion in that tribe by the special command of the" God of Israel."

By marriage and submission to the bond of Jehovah's covenant with Israel he became a true Israelite by adoption; a specimen of God's mercy to the Gentiles even in Old Testament times, and a pledge of the opening of the door of faith to them widely in the New Testament So Jethro, Rahab, Ruth, Naaman. Kenaz his ancestor was a duke of Edom (Genesis 36:11; Genesis 36:15). The names Shobal and Manahath are other Edomite (Genesis 36:20-23) names which appear among the sons of the Caleb in 1 Chronicles 2:50; 1 Chronicles 2:52.

Jephunneh, his father's name, is probably the same as Pinon (1 Chronicles 1:52; Genesis 36:41). Termanites too are among the children of Ashur, Hezron's son (1 Chronicles 4:6). This consideration helps to account for the large numbers of Israelites at the Exodus; proselytes and marriage connections from other races swelled the number of Israelites of pure blood. Hebron was afterward a priests' city, belonging to the Kohathites; but the territory about continued in Caleb's family (from which sprang the churl Nabal, for faith does not always come by blood descent)at the time of David (1 Samuel 25:3; 1 Samuel 30:14).




Other things to consider are Num. 32: 10-12 and Gen. 15: 18-19. For many have felt that Caleb, rather than being a descendant of Easu, was really from the other cultures around the time of Abraham...
Numbers 32:10-12 NIV

The LORD's anger was aroused that day and he swore this oath: "Because they have not followed me wholeheartedly, not one of the men twenty years old or more who came up out of Egypt will see the land I promised on oath to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob—not one except Caleb son of Jephunneh the Kenizzite and Joshua son of Nun, for they followed the LORD wholeheartedly.'

Genesis 15:18-19 NLT
So the LORD made a covenant with Abram that day and said, "I have given this land to your descendants, all the way from the border of Egypt to the great Euphrates River—the land now occupied by the Kenites, Kenizzites, Kadmonites,

Caleb (a Gentile whose name means dog in Hebrew and who wholly followed the Lord God of Israel) had to fight the sons of Anak in Hebron for his inheritance. The Anakims are a type of the enemy in heavenly places.

Joshua 14:12 states"Now therefore give me this mountain, whereof the LORD spake in that day; for thou heardest in that day how the Anakims were there, and that the cities were great and fenced: if so be the LORD will be with me, then I shall be able to drive them out, as the LORD said. And Joshua blessed him, and gave unto Caleb the son of Jephunneh Hebron for an inheritance."

Caleb's inheritance was among the tribe of Judah and close to the children of Aaron who inherited the city of Hebron. Joshua 21:12 states "But the fields of the city, and the villages thereof, gave they to Caleb the son of Jephunneh for his possession." (Ezekiel 47:22-23). Not all that came out of Egypt, but Joshua and Caleb, were able to conquer all of their enemies. .....and thankfully, we can defeat them as well just like Paul noted in : 2 Corinthians 6:7




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Easy G (G²);60408030 said:
Giving more information from previously, as it concerns Caleb, Caleb had a rather amazing background like Joshua did (seeing how he had Gentile heritage).

As Messianic Rabbi Eric Carlson said best:
Two very famous spies of the twelve, Joshua (also known as Efraiym Hosea, son of Nun) and Caleb made a very different report. Caleb said in Numbers 13:30 "Let us go up at once and take possession, for we are well able to overcome it." God’s anger flared at those who balked at taking possession of the land and the entire generation would perish in the wilderness and never enter the land. Caleb and Joshua however found favor with the Lord for their faith, belief, and their representation of the Lord. These two men of God were allowed to enter the Promised Land and receive their inheritance!

Now, here’s the “One New Man” scriptural revelation! Caleb was not Jewish! He was a Kenizzite (Numbers 32:12), a group of people from the area North and East of the land of Israel in what is now present day Syria. Caleb was a proselytite, a convert to Judaism and the Jewish People. Caleb was integrated into the tribe of Judah and was selected as one of the twelve spies. Caleb and Joshua were the first “One New Man” in the Bible, a Jew and Gentile who came together as one to inherit the promises given to Abraham. Not only were Joshua and Caleb the first “One New Man”, they were the only two of the twelve spies who said the land could be taken. The promises, fullness, and completeness of the Kingdom of God are for the Jew and Gentile, together as “One New Man”. It is the “One New Man” who will enter God’s rest in Hebrews 4:6-11. Yeshua’s plan for us is to stand together as the One New Man!

Joshua and Caleb set a mighty example for us! Our report should be “The Harvest is ripe and it is ours!


For more on Caleb...

In the time of the Exodus the Israelites had some peoples from other nations amongst them. They were a mixed multitude--and it seems that Caleb, though listed as coming from Judah, was most likely adopted into Judah. This is said in light of how he was from Kenez from Edom. Again, for reference, the scriptures concerning Caleb being from Judah and a Kenezite:
Numbers 13:6 Of the tribe of Judah, Caleb the son of Jephunneh.

Numbers 32:12 Save Caleb the son of Jephunneh the Kenezite, and Joshua the son of Nun: for they have wholly followed the LORD.

Joshua 14:6 Then the children of Judah came unto Joshua in Gilgal: and Caleb the son of Jephunneh the Kenezite said unto him, Thou knowest the thing that the LORD said unto Moses the man of God concerning me and thee in Kadeshbarnea.

Joshua 14:14 Hebron therefore became the inheritance of Caleb the son of Jephunneh the Kenezite unto this day, because that he wholly followed the LORD God of Israel.
As said earlier, concerning Genesis 36:1-42 (I Chronicles 1:51-54), with the geneology of Easu, His sons and grandsons produced 14 chiefs, and a number of kings emerged from among Esau's descendants. And among them there was an Edomite named Kenaz..as seen clearly in the geneology of Esau in Genesis 36:11

Genesis 36:11 And the sons of Eliphaz were Teman, Omar, Zepho, and Gatam, and Kenaz.

Genesis 36:15 These [were] dukes of the sons of Esau: the sons of Eliphaz the firstborn [son] of Esau; duke Teman, duke Omar, duke Zepho, duke Kenaz,

Genesis 36:42 Duke Kenaz, duke Teman, duke Mibzar,
1 Chr. 1:36 is another place to go for reference. But from the text, it seems that Kenaz was one of the sons of Eliphaz, the son of Esau. He became the chief of an Edomitish tribe (Gen. 36:11, 15, 42) and was a duke of Edom ( Gen. 36:42; 1 Chr. 1:53). From what the text seems to say, Kenaz was also the brother of Caleb ( Josh. 15:17; Judg. 1:13; 3:9, 11; 1 Chr. 4:13, Joshua 15:17, Judges 1:13, Judges 3:7-11). Specifically, he was Caleb's younger brother, and father of Othniel (Josh. 15:17), whose family was of importance in Israel down to the time of David (1 Chr. 27:15). There are some, of course, who think that Othniel (Judg. 1:13), and not Kenaz, was Caleb's brother. But that's another issue...

It seems reasonable to say that Caleb the Kenizzite was a member of the mixed multitude who was adopted into the tribe of Judah. I Chronicles 4:13 seems to speak more on this, in regards to the Kenizzites and how they appear to have been a southern tribe that was absorbed into Judah..and Caleb with Joshua was the only faithful man among the spies Moses sent to investigate Canaan. And Bezaleel---the principal craftsman for the tabernacle (Exodus 31:2, II Chronicles 1:5)---- was from Caleb according to 1 Chronicles 2:20.

But Caleb was probably an Edomite, due to his ancestry (Genesis 36:11). That may seem surprising to consider that, but there has already been precedent of God using others from other nations to aid Israel---such as with the Moabites (Deuteronomy 23:3-8 Numbers 22-25, Ezra 9:2-12, Ezra 10:44, Nehemiah 13:25, etc), descended from incest between Lot/His daughters ( Genesis 19:30-37 ) ---something scripture forbid in other parts of scripture (Leviticus 18:6-18, Leviticus 20:11, Leviticus 20:12-17, Leviticus 18:19-21, Deuteronomy 22:30, Deuteronomy 27:20-23, Ezekiel 22:11, I Corinthians 5:1). Moab and Benammi became the fathers of two of Israel's greatest enemies, the Moabites and the Ammonites....as these nations settled east of the Jordan River and Israel never conquered them. But Ruth hailed from that nation later became the great-grandmother of David, also being included in the Messianic Line (Ruth 1-4, Matthew 1:4-6)....and with God Himself making clear in Deuteronomy 2:8-11 and Deuteronomy 2:16-19 that he did not desire Israel to fight Moab/Ammon since God had given the land to Edom, Moab, and Ammon and forbid Israel to attempt taking that land, presumably because of the blood relationships between Esau and Lot.

All of this is said, again, in light of how the Edomites were Semites, closely related in blood and in language to the Israelites. They dispossessed the Horites of Mount Seir; though it is clear, from Gen. 36, that they afterwards intermarried with the conquered population. Edomite tribes settled also in the south of Judah, like the Kenizzites (Gen. 36:11), to whom Caleb and Othniel belonged (Josh. 15:17). The southern part of Edom was known as Teman.


All of that is said to further illustrate the reality of how much God loved/desired to use GENTILES to bless His people the Jews.....and within that, the Lord has often shown His heart in using those from camps that others would deem as "enemies"---yet the Lord is able to turn them into friends for His glory. As John Mark Ministries said best in their article entitled "Give Me This Mountain" :
Caleb is a living example of the old adage ‘If you can’t beat ‘em join ‘em.’ Apparently the Israelites picked up various groups and clans as they journeyed towards their Promised Land – one of these was Caleb’s. He was a Kenizzite, an Edomite, which means he was a descendent of Esau rather than Jacob, and he and his clan got assimilated into the tribe of Judah.

Despite his adverse pedigree Caleb, because of his outstanding leadership gifts, rose to a position of some prominence among the tribes of Israel. He refused to be ‘a prisoner of his scripting’.

..............
Caleb was smart: let us creatively take hold of the opportunities lying all
around us.


HE DID HIS RESEARCH. According to Deuteronomy 1:22, Moses was urging the people to go into the Promised Land and conquer it, claim it. God had told them over and over that he’d be with them, and the land was good (Exodus 3:8). But they did what many groups do who don’t want to do anything – they set up a committee to investigate: let’s send twelve spies into the land to search out the best route. Numbers 13 & 14 tell the story… The person chosen remarkably enough to represent the important tribe of Judah was this Gentile Caleb. Joshua and Caleb and ten others explored a land ‘flowing with milk and honey’. They brought back a bunch of grapes so huge it took two men to carry it. In the desert they’d probably never seen grapes. In their wildest imagination they hadn’t conceived of grapes like these. But there were two problems – giants, and the walled cities they lived in. So the committee was divided ten to two. Ten of the spies measured the giants against themselves: we can’t do it, they said, they are stronger than we are. We’re like grasshoppers compared to them. The spies went to Hebron, the very place where Abraham received the promise of the land of Canaan (Genesis 13:18). But all the promises of God to their great forefather, the power that God has displayed so many miraculous times, were all forgotten as they saw those high walls and those giants.

Two – one of them Caleb – measured the giants against God. To a great God those giants were very puny. Caleb was prepared to do what leaders are supposed to do – lead.
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I might as well add the following:

Luke 17:11-19

"And it came to pass, as he went to Jerusalem, that he passed though the midst of Samaria and Galilee. And as he entered into a certain village, there met him ten men that were lepers, which stood afar off: And they lifted up their voices, and said, Jesus, Master, have mercy on us. And when he saw them, he said unto them, Go shew yourselves unto the priests. And it came to pass, that, as they went, they were cleansed. And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God, And fell down on his face at his feet, giving him thanks: AND HE WAS A SAMARITAN. And Jesus answering said, Were there not ten cleansed? but where are the nine? There are not found that returned to give glory to God, SAVE THIS STRANGER."


Jesus called this Samaritan a "stranger". The underlying Greek word is "allogenes" and it means a "stranger", a "foreigner" or an "alien".

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon


In fact, several Bibles have it translated as either "foreigner" or "alien" as is attested here:


Luke 17:18 Was no one found to return and give praise to God except this foreigner?"


Again, why did Jesus call this Samaritan a "stranger/foreigner/alien" is he was of Israelite descent? The answer ought to be obvious...


The answer is indeed obvious, especially when/if the Biblical context is addressed when it comes to seeing what the Word says. Thus far, IMHO, that has not been shown in what you noted.

One thing that must be understood when seeing the Biblical text is that the term "stranger" was not always utilized to mean that one did not have Israelite descent. Even the Hebrews used it of themselves, as it concerns noting the reality of feeling as if one truly doesn't belong in a certain area or deserve kindness by another. King David being one example:
1 Chronicles 29:7

David’s Prayer

10 David praised the LORD in the presence of the whole assembly, saying,
“Praise be to you, O LORD,
God of our father Israel,
from everlasting to everlasting.
11 Yours, O LORD, is the greatness and the power
and the glory and the majesty and the splendor,
for everything in heaven and earth is yours.
Yours, O LORD, is the kingdom;
you are exalted as head over all.
12 Wealth and honor come from you;
you are the ruler of all things.
In your hands are strength and power
to exalt and give strength to all.
13 Now, our God, we give you thanks,
and praise your glorious name.
14 “But who am I, and who are my people, that we should be able to give as generously as this? Everything comes from you, and we have given you only what comes from your hand. 15 We are aliens and strangers in your sight, as were all our forefathers. Our days on earth are like a shadow, without hope. 16 O LORD our God, as for all this abundance that we have provided for building you a temple for your Holy Name, it comes from your hand, and all of it belongs to you. 17 I know, my God, that you test the heart and are pleased with integrity. All these things have I given willingly and with honest intent. And now I have seen with joy how willingly your people who are here have given to you. 18 O LORD, God of our fathers Abraham, Isaac and Israel, keep this desire in the hearts of your people forever, and keep their hearts loyal to you. 19 And give my son Solomon the wholehearted devotion to keep your commands, requirements and decrees and to do everything to build the palatial structure for which I have provided.”
And there are plenty of others that one can go to ( 1 Chronicles 16:18-20 /1 Chronicles 16, Psalm 69:7-9, Psalm 105:11-13, Psalm 119:18-20, Acts 7:5-7, Hebrews 11:8-10, Hebrews 11:12-14, Hebrews 11, 1 Peter 1:1-3, 1 Peter 1:16-18, 1 Peter 2:10-12, 3 John 1:4-6, etc ). The Lord Jesus used the term to describe Himself as well:
Matthew 25:34-36
“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’


37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.’
Even angels have been referred to as strangers (Hebrews 13:1-3 )---for the term has simply meant "different" in multiple context and scenarios. By the logic that you are utilizing, all usages of the term "stranger" have to mean that the one referred to as such must not have Israelite descent in them....and the scriptures do not bear witness to that reality when seeing how even Jewish believers said the same of themselves.



With the Samaritan, it was more than possible for Christ to call the Samaritan a "stranger" due to how he was truly different than the other Jews in His disposition...and as it concerns ethnically, of course he'd be a "stanger" to the Jews since he was not exactly the same as them. Trying to make a case that his being called a "stranger"/foreigner equates to not having Israelite descent (as in Israelite blood in him) goes past what the scripture and basic history says when it comes to how the Samaritans were shown to develop. It's not surprising to see why Christ referred to the man as a stranger since they were considered "different" from the Jews---the Samaritans being deemed as idolatrous half-breeds in comparision with the pure blood Jews. Nothing really difficult in understanding the concept, IMHO.


For some Biblical commentary on the issue, as other scholars have noted throughout the centuries:
Clarke's Commentary on the Bible
This stranger - Often God receives more praise and affectionate obedience from those who had long lived without his knowledge and fear, than from those who were bred up among his people, and who profess to be called by his name. The simple reason is, Those who have Much forgiven will love much, Luke 7:47.

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible

There are not found that returned,.... Or it do not appear, that any have returned:

to give glory to God; for inasmuch as they did not return to give thanks to Christ, and acknowledge him the author of their cure and cleansing they did not give glory to God:

save this stranger; for so the Samaritans were reckoned by the Jews, even as the Gentile, aliens from the commonwealth, of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise. Christ speaks in the language and dialect of the nation, and yet we find sometimes, that, "a Cuthite", or a Samaritan, is distinguished from, "a stranger", Or a Gentile: they might set up their beasts in the inns of the Samaritans, but not in the inns of "strangers"; and a man might let out his bath to a Samaritan, but not to a "stranger" (b); but this must be understood of them in times past, before they were found out to be idolaters; when, as Rabban Simeon ben Gamaliel says (c), they were as Israelites in all things, and kept the law and the precepts of it, and even more exactly than the Israelites themselves did (d); but afterwards a Samaritan was reckoned a Gentile, and so he was in the times of Christ; and therefore he calls a Samaritan a stranger: that tradition of the Jews, requires some notice and consideration (e); all are defiled
"with leprosies, except "strangers", and the proselyte of the gate.''
And yet here is a stranger among the Jews, and reckoned unclean, on account of leprosy, and sent with them to show himself to the priest.
Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
18. this stranger-"this alien" (literally, "of another race"). The language is that of wonder and admiration, as is expressly said of another exhibition of Gentile faith (Mt 8:10).
 
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As I've already documented, Christ initially instructed His disciples not to go into any city of the Samaritans to preach the gospel, but rather to go only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Matthew 10:5-7). This changed, however, after Christ was risen from the dead, for we read:

Acts 1:8

"But ye shall receive power after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, AND IN SAMARIA, and unto the uttermost part of the earth."


After the day of Pentecost or after the day in which the disciples received power from on high, they were instructed to preach to the Samaritans. We first read of them doing so in Acts chapter 8:


Acts 8:5-25

"Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them. And the people with one accord gave heed unto those things which Philip spake, hearing and seeing the miracles which he did. For unclean spirits, crying with loud voice, came out of many that were possessed with them: and many taken with palsies, and that were lame, were healed. And there was great joy in that city. But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one: TO WHOM THEY ALL GAVE HEED, FROM THE LEAST TO THE GREATEST, SAYING, THIS MAN IS THE GREAT POWER OF GOD. AND TO HIM THEY HAD REGARD, BECAUSE THAT OF LONG TIME HE HAD BEWITCHED THEM WITH SORCERIES. But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done. Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus). Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost. And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money, Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost. But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that this gift of God may be purchased with money. Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God. Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee. For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity. Then answered Simon, and said, Pray ye to the Lord for me, that none of these things which ye have spoken come upon me. And they, when they had testified and preached the word of the Lord, returned to Jerusalem, and preached the gospel in many villages of the Samaritans."


Well, that's a little insight into how things actually were in the city of Samaria during the time of Christ's incarnation. Yes, all of the Samaritans, from the least to the greatest, gave heed unto Simon the sorcerer, being bewitched by him, and believing him to be the great power of God. As we just read, OF A LONG TIME HE HAD BEWITCHED THEM WITH HIS SORCERIES, so it's pretty safe to assume that this "long time" included the three to three and a half years of Christ's ministry on this earth during His incarnation.


Anyhow, hopefully this helps to give you a better understanding of what THE BIBLE has to say on the matter.

Biblically, as scripture is meant to go with scripture, things changed with reaching out to Samaritans long before Christ rose from the dead. That was noted earlier when bringing up Luke 9:
Luke 9:54

Samaritan Opposition

51 As the time approached for him to be taken up to heaven, Jesus resolutely set out for Jerusalem. 52 And he sent messengers on ahead, who went into a Samaritan village to get things ready for him; 53 but the people there did not welcome him, because he was heading for Jerusalem. 54 When the disciples James and John saw this, they asked, “Lord, do you want us to call fire down from heaven to destroy them[c]?” 55 But Jesus turned and rebuked them, 56 and[d] they went to another village.
There's also the plain reality of what John 4 notes when it comes to the woman at the well and the great revival that occurred in the time of Christ, with many Samaritans becoming saved due to the conversion of the woman at the well, who told all of her neighbors:
John 4:29
Many Samaritans Believe

39 Many of the Samaritans from that town believed in him because of the woman’s testimony, “He told me everything I ever did.” 40 So when the Samaritans came to him, they urged him to stay with them, and he stayed two days. 41 And because of his words many more became believers.

42 They said to the woman, “We no longer believe just because of what you said; now we have heard for ourselves, and we know that this man really is the Savior of the world.”
Samaria is a BIG region, with there not being things like cars/instant transportation...thus making travel to all villages very difficult and thus people getting saved in one village would never equate to all villages hearing of the Gospel within days---which is why it took awhile for the Gospel message to go out and why Christ called for others to go into Samaria/preach the Gospel since it would take awhile. That many Samaritans were being decieved by Simon didn't mean all of them followed suit...no more than it'd be the case that the scripture saying "The Jews picked up stones to kill Jesus" means that ALL JEWS---good or bad, young or old, anywhere in existence at the time---picked up stones. Indeed, those Samaritans who had not heard of Christ were decieved by Simon since those Samaritans wrongly assumed that because Simon had real spiritual power, it was from God....and they sadly believed it for a long time until Philip arrived and taught them of the same reality that the woman at the well/her Samaritan village had believed in.

Philip preached Christ to the Samaritans. The Samaritan people accepted the Pentateuch as a revelation of God and, therefore, had an expectation of the coming of the Messiah. When Jesus taught the Samaritan woman at the well, she said, "I know that Messiah cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things" (Jn. 4:25). The Pentateuch promised that all nations of the earth would be blessed through the seed of Abraham (Gen. 22:18). Moses foretold the coming of another prophet like him whom the people should obey (Deut. 18:15-17). Based on these and other promises, the Samaritans lived in anticipation of the coming of the Messiah. When Philip preached Christ, he preached that the Messiah had come.....and Simon (most likely a Samaritan), posing as a Messiah (essentially, the Samaritan counter-answer to Judea's Jesus..like Bizzaro vs Superman), lost his footing.

Philip's message was confirmed and authenticated by God through the miracles which Philip performed. He cast out demons and healed those who were palsied or lame (Acts 8:7)...as the Lord promised that miracles would accompany the preaching of the gospel (Mk. 16:17-20) and explained that there purpose was to confirm the message which was preached (cf. Heb. 2:3-4; Mark. 16:20; John. 20:30-31). Thankfully, God endorsed Philip's message to the Samaritans by the miracles which were performed there. As Philip preached the gospel he met the Samaritan named Simon who had been deceiving the people with his magical arts, giving out that he was someone great (Acts 8:10). Many people were deceived by Simon until they were able to place the miracles of the Lord beside the deceptions of Simon....and then they were able to discriminate between Bible miracles and sorcery. For they rejected Simon's deceptions and believed Philip who was preaching the gospel of Christ.

Again, if the Word of God is to be the focus, then the WORD in all of its fullness should be the focus.

I've had a long day and I'm heading off to bed. I'll certainly consider answering your post tomorrow...Lord willing, of course.

Good night.
Rest Well:)
 
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You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.

I think that "we" is not as in "we the Jews" as most contend.

"We" as in "we who are not of this world".
(See John 3:31, 8:23, and others)

I think Paul was partial saying stay away from genealogies, and should have gone further saying avoid racism.

Peace.

Good points, as I've heard others echo the same when noting that Jews who are not true believers are not truly Jewish according the definition that the Lord desires others to follow. They may be ethnically Jewish--but not having the spiritual reality that being Jewish was meant to point to since they don't give [correct] praise to God andJudah means praise.


I'm reminded of how it was with the Jews in Christ day who hated Samaritans...even calling Him a Samaritan/Demon Posessed at one point ( John 8:47-49 ), despite the fact that their heritage alone was not enough to qualify them as Jews...and Jesus called them on it in John 8 when saying what true Jews were and what they did when it came to following the Lord in John 8:31-47.

For as Jesus noted when he quoted from Isaiah to the Pharisees /Jewish religious leaders , "These people draw near to Me with their mouth, and honor Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men" (Matthew 15:9). Simply having an outward focus on something does not mean that one has an inward understanding of it. The Samaritans seemed to have the same issue, as Chrst noted when speaking to one (John 4:7) who suggested that Samaritans knew about worship (John 4:20). Jesus declared, "You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews. But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth" (John 4:22-24).

The Samaritans were condemned for not knowing what they worshiped truly. For the Samaritans in the Old Testament are clearly described as a group of people who did not keep his commandments, and who included pagan rituals in their worship (II Kings 17).

God was not pleased with the Samaritans. The prophet Hosea wrote, "Then the iniquity of Ephraim was uncovered, and the wickedness of Samaria. For they have committed fraud" (Hosea 7:1), "Your calf is rejected, O Samaria! My anger is aroused against them--How long until they attain to innocence? For from Israel is even this: A workman made it, and it is not God; But the calf of Samaria shall be broken to pieces" (Hosea 8:5-6), and "Samaria is held guilty, for she has rebelled against her God. They shall fall by the sword, Their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child ripped open" (Hosea 13:16). It should be noted that when the children of Israel worshiped the golden calf in Exodus, they claimed they were actually worshiping the true God (Exodus 32:8)--God was not pleased with that either (vs. 9).

As true worship does not involve physical pagan rituals, but involves worshiping in truth---though Jesus also made clear the same theme to the Jews....and thus, when it comes to what it means to worship the Lord, it'd seem that neither the Jews in Jerusalem or the Samaritans fully understood what it was that the Lord required. For as much as Judah pointed at what was wrong with Israel when they were exiled by the Assyrians, God dealt with them as well for focusing solely on ritutals and the outward dynamics of the temple rather than focusing upon the Lord. He actually said they were worse that Samaria many times....and often made clear they didn't know who he was..

One can belong...and yet, at the same time, not truly belong. As said best by the ministry of Gregory McDonald:


When speaking of God as the Father of men, Christ addressed both his disciples and the crowds, indiscriminately (Matt. 5:1-2; 23:1, 9). From this it may be inferred that Christ understood God to be the Father of all to whom he spoke, and, therefore, the Father of all people in some sense. Christ also taught that God is the Father of those who may or may not be called his "sons" (Matt 5:43-45); that he is the Father of those who may be guilty of acting hypocritically (Matt 6:1); that he is the Father of those from whom divine forgiveness may be withheld (Matt 6:14-15; Mark 11:25); and that he is the Father of those who are said to be "evil" (Matt 7:11). Such language used by Christ seems inconsistent with the view that God's fatherhood is limited to only a part of mankind. The well-known parable of the "prodigal son" (Luke 15:11-32) beautifully illustrates Christ's views concerning the fatherhood of God. In this parable, both brothers are sons of their father by nature and birth, and the kindred bond of the father to his sons could not be annulled by their disobedience. Even in his state of relational estrangement and immorality, the younger son remained the object of his father's love, and when the son "came to himself" and returned to his father, he was welcomed back by his father with open arms and tears. Similarly, even after the older son is revealed to have been just as estranged from the Father and "lost" as the younger son was (as his heart was full of jealously, hatred and self-righteousness), Jesus has the father re-affirming the filial bond that remained unbroken between them (vv. 31-32).

Further evidence that Christ understood the fatherhood of God in a universal sense may be found in the teaching of the apostle Paul, who (it may be reasonably expected) would not have taught anything that contradicted the teaching of his Lord. After quoting the Stoic philosopher Aratus, Paul refers to himself and the Athenian pagans to whom he spoke as God's "offspring" (Acts 17:28-29). To the Ephesians Paul spoke of God as being the "God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all" (Eph 4:6). It may be objected that Paul could only have had believers in view here, since he refers to the Father as being "through all and in all." But in the verses from Acts previously referred to it would appear that Paul agreed with the Cretan philosopher Epimenides, who wrote, "For in him we live and move and have our being." There is nowhere we can go where God is not (Psalm 139:7-10; Jer 23:23-24). He is everywhere present by his Spirit (i.e., his operative power and presence), permeating even our very being.

There is, however, a sense in which God is not the Father of all people, and all people are not his children. We have already noted how Christ exhorted his disciples to become sons of one who already was their Father (Matt 5:43-45). But in what sense can it be said that God is not one's Father, and a person not his son? Answer: this can only be the case when we are not like him in character, as manifested in our thoughts and actions. Jesus taught that God loves both the good and the evil, the just and the unjust (Matt 5:43-47). It is in view of this divine perfection that we are exhorted to do the same so that we may be like him (v. 48). It is only in doing so that we may thereby enjoy the privilege of being called his children in the sense of which Christ is speaking here. Similarly, John taught that it is those who receive Christ and believe on his name (which implies believing that he will accomplish the redemptive purpose for which he was sent by God, as well as embracing and practically applying his teachings) whom God gives "the right to become children of God" (John 1:12). To become a child of God in this sense is to be regenerated, or "born again." But it must be emphasized that even before a person becomes a child of God in this sense (i.e., by faith in Christ), God was already their heavenly Father. What Christ and John meant by our being "born again" is illustrated by Paul's "adoption" imagery. For Paul, adoption into God's family is simply the raising of those who already are God's children (i.e., by virtue of having been made in his image) to the true position of a son or daughter, with all of its blessings and privileges (Gal 4:1-7).

In John 8:37-45, Jesus declares that, in some sense, God was not the father of the unbelieving Jews. What does Christ mean here? We know that Christ cannot mean that God was not their father in any sense whatsoever, for he would then be contradicting not only his own teaching, but also the prophet Malachi, who rhetorically asked his Jewish brethren, "Have we not all one Father? Has not one God created us?" (Mal 2:10) Malachi's words were addressed to those in Israel who were, in spirit, no different from the unbelieving Jews of Christ's day. They certainly had no less of a need to turn to God in repentance. But in spite of their waywardness and guilt before God, there was still a sense in which God remained their "Father." And what sense was this? Answer: God had established Israel as a nation and bestowed upon the Jewish people their identity as a set-apart people, and was, in this sense, the common "Father" of the Israelites in a peculiar sense in which he was not the "Father" of the heathen (cf. Deut 32:6; Isa 63:7-19; 64:8; Hos 11:1). Is Christ then denying this fact on which the prophet Malachi was placing a special emphasis? No; the sense in which Christ implied that God was not the father of the unbelieving Jews must therefore be different than the sense of which Malachi speaks. It must also be different than the sense in which Christ spoke during his Sermon on the Mount and elsewhere. What then does Christ mean?

It is evident from the context that our Lord is speaking of fatherhood and sonship in the sense of likeness in character and purpose, as manifested in one's intentions and actions. Jesus was simply stating that the unbelieving Jews could not claim God as their father in the sense of resembling him in character or purpose. They were instead "children of the devil (or slanderer)" in the sense that they shared the deceptive and murderous character of the "serpent" that tempted Eve in the Garden of Eden. In no other sense could the unbelieving Jews be said to be children of the devil, and in no other sense could it be said that God was not their father, and they not his children. Just as the devil was said by Christ to have been "a murderer from the beginning," so the unbelieving Jews sought to kill Jesus (v. 37, 40). And just as the devil was said by Christ to be "a liar, and the father of lies" so the unbelieving Jews spoke lies about Christ and rejected the truth he spoke (vv. 45-46). Thus, as they were in their ethical resemblance the children of the devil, so they could not, in this respect, claim God as their Father, for there was no likeness in character between them. Verse 39 explains the meaning: "If you were Abraham's children, you would be doing what Abraham did." This corresponds to v. 42: "If God were your Father, you would love me." Of course they were Abraham's children by nature or descent, as Christ himself acknowledged later (v. 56). But they were not, however, Abraham's children in an ethical sense; they did not in any way resemble Abraham in their character and moral actions. While Abraham was distinguished for his faith and righteousness, the Jews to whom Christ spoke in John 8 were distinguished for their unbelief and unrighteousness.

Thus, just as Abraham was their father in a natural sense but not in a moral or spiritual sense, so were they God's children by nature or by virtue of having been created in his image, but not by faith and obedience. In this chapter, Christ just as much denies the fatherhood of Abraham as he does the fatherhood of God. The fact is that the primal parental relation that exists by nature - both of God and of Abraham - exists independently of the moral or spiritual relation. The one is a resemblance in character, while the other is the necessity of creation and birth/ancestry, and, as such, can be neither changed nor abolished. A child may be very disobedient and rebellious, but that does not annul his natural, kindred relationship to his parent. The fact that he is a child is in the very nature of things.

This may be illustrated by the parable of the prodigal son. In view of the selfishness, wanton behavior and indifference toward his father displayed at the beginning of the parable, the younger son could be said to have been (in some sense at least) "a child of the devil" or "a child of wrath." As long as he continued in disobedience there was a sense in which he could not be called his father's child, for he did not resemble his father in character. But there still remained a kindred bond between them that could not be broken by his selfish actions. The father still loved him, and longed for his estranged son to return and be reinstated as his son. When he returned to his father, it was as if the younger son - who was formerly "dead" and "lost" - had been "born again." When the father called for his servants to put the "best robe" on his son, to put a ring on his hand, and to prepare a feast for him, the father was essentially "adopting" his son back into the family.


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A lot more detail than my understanding, but this seems to be what most understand the actual history to be.

Judaism - Conservapedia
The south was known as Judah with Jerusalem as their capital, while the ten northern tribes made up the kingdom of Israel whose capital was Samaria. In 721/2 B.C. , the northern kingdom of Israel was conquered and the elite and powerful taken away by the Assyrians (leaving the weak and powerless) and resettled among various client kingdoms of their empire. The Assyrians, in like manner, settled other conquered peoples in various places of conquered Israel in order to dilute and weaken the population causing them to be compliant to the Assyrian overlords. This is how the "Samarians" were to arise, present in the time of Jesus and and present to this day - a mixed semi-Judaized population with their religious center on Mt. Gerizim in Samaria rivaling Jerusalem.

Most historians/Biblical scholars have noted the same thing and the scriptures bear out the same realitiy, if understanding the time/context that Christ spoke in and seeing the setting that went down. God in His Word is truly amazing :)
 
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Easy G (G²):

Is it just me or have your many words merely served to show that you're ARGUING AGAINST YOURSELF AND CONTINUALLY CONTRADICTING YOURSELF? For example, you say:

Easy G (G²) said:
For those who are Israelites are not necessarily the same as those who are Samaritans---Israelites of MIXED origins/religious practice. There were those who were Israelites/pure-blood descendants of the Scattered 10 tribes and then there were those who had both Israelite blood/Foreign-Pagan blood in them..placing them into a camp different altogether.

Then, you add:

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Jacob's blessing, including the adoption of Ephraim and Manasseh as his own sons, replacing the former Egyptian heritage of these two young men with a new Hebrew heritage. Thus, Ephraim and Manasseh were drafted into Jacob's family. Like Paul noted in Romans 11, they became natural branches, full brothers with the other sons of Israel. This gave Ephraim and Manasseh the same responsibilities and rewards that the natural-born sons already had. The Egyptian identity of Ephraim and Manasseh remained only in the sense of ethnicity/cultural background and origins--but outside of that, they were now considered to be "Hebrews" and they they gained the identity of true Israelites...becoming partakers of the same covenants as the other sons of Israel, and subject to the same commandments and responsibilities as Jacob's natural born sons.

First, you argue that those who have both "Israelite blood/Foreign-Pagan blood in them" are in "a camp different altogether" and then you refute your own argument by insisting that those who have a mixed background have "gained the identity of true Israelites".

Look, I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you as my original point still stands, namely this:

Matthew 10:5-7

"These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not. But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand."

If the Samaritans were either Jews or half Jew/half Gentile, then Jesus would still have accounted them as being part of "the lost sheep of the house of Israel"...AS YOU JUST ARGUED YOURSELF (whether you're aware of it or not). It's really that simple...
 
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TamaraLynne:

Since this is a thread that you started and since I deem you to be one who is truly seeking after the truth, I'd encourage you not to get too caught up in all of this ethnicity talk. As I've plainly stated in many of my own posts throughout this forum, salvation ultimately has nothing at all to do with one's ethnicity, but rather with what one does or does not do with JESUS CHRIST. As such, I merely sought to give you a little background of where the dispute between the Jews and the Samaritans stemmed from (the dispute actually goes back even further than what I've already documented). Anyhow, there's a lot more to be gleaned from Jesus' encounter with the Samaritan woman and His corresponding conversations with His own disciples during this encounter than just a bunch of "ethnic talk". As such, I'm perfectly fine with just dropping out of this aspect of the conversation myself and seeing if you want to discuss any other aspects of the encounter. Thanks.
 
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TamaraLynne:

Since this is a thread that you started and since I deem you to be one who is truly seeking after the truth, I'd encourage you not to get too caught up in all of this ethnicity talk. As I've plainly stated in many of my own posts throughout this forum, salvation ultimately has nothing at all to do with one's ethnicity, but rather with what one does or does not do with JESUS CHRIST. As such, I merely sought to give you a little background of where the dispute between the Jews and the Samaritans stemmed from (the dispute actually goes back even further than what I've already documented). Anyhow, there's a lot more to be gleaned from Jesus' encounter with the Samaritan woman and His corresponding conversations with His own disciples during this encounter than just a bunch of "ethnic talk". As such, I'm perfectly fine with just dropping out of this aspect of the conversation myself and seeing if you want to discuss any other aspects of the encounter. Thanks.
This thread is specifically about the Samaritans, so of course their origin/ethinicity is of importance I would think....;)


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Easy G (G²):

Is it just me or have your many words merely served to show that you're ARGUING AGAINST YOURSELF AND CONTINUALLY CONTRADICTING YOURSELF? For example, you say:
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GW,

Is it just me, or are you doing (as a couple others have noted) the exact same thing you're arguing against when making claims NO ONE has said and then arguing against that in the name of trying to defend the Word? It has been a pity--and avoiding the scripture at this point furthers the problem while failing to give scriptural answers to Tamara on specific points, even though scripture was given on others that was indeed accurate..

You made claims about Samaritans not having Israelite descent because they weren't called Israel, even though you avoided historical/Biblical context on the history/development of the Samaritans and other groups that came from mixed /intermarriages. You made claims of Samaritans not having Israelite blood in them at any point because they were called "strangers" by Chrst, never mind that the same term was used of the Jewish people as well. If you're going to try defending the Word, one must do so by rightly dividing it according to II Timothy 2 rather than simply throwing out scripture/expecting others to think it's "God's Word" that is really being dealt with by yourself since you've already avoided much of it.

Sincerly, IMHO, you can better than you have thus far..
First, you argue that those who have both "Israelite blood/Foreign-Pagan blood in them" are in "a camp different altogether" and then you refute your own argument by insisting that those who have a mixed background have "gained the identity of true Israelites".
Incorrect--and once again, you're demonstrating a failure to listen/pay attention to what others have said in context. The point raised was that not all of those who have mixed blood in them automatically qualify as not being "Israel" (as in the cases of Joshua and Caleb, alongside others...Ruth and Rahab being other examples) since being an Israelite was much more than being about Genetics. It was how they walked that determined their identification--just as it was in the scriptures when not everyone who was ethnically a "Jew" was consider a true/Biblical Jew by Christ (John 8) and not everyone in the Nation of Israel was truly considered to be living like the Israel the Lord desired (Romans 11, . Again, it was how you lived...and it was more than possible for others of mixed background to be considered "Israel." On the same token, even though that was the case, it was also the case that people who had Israelite blood in them alongside mixed/foreign roots did not automatically qualify as "Israel" like others. The case of Ezra 9-10--which you avoided plainly alongside others--shows that since even the children that the priests/Levites had with the pagan women of the nations were not considered "Israelites"...even though they genetically had Israelite blood......the same situation as the Samaritans who were half-breeds but not considered Israel due to their practices.

This is not a hard concept, if understanding context/culture. And as said before, it always comes down to scripture with scripture.




Look, I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you
Thankful for your desire to not "waste" time, although sadly, you've already aided in the misuse of the time of others on certain issues (IMHO) with the arguments you attempted to raise based on false scenarios while arguing selectively on scripture/avoiding others.

my original point still stands, namely this:

Matthew 10:5-7

"These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not. But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand."

If the Samaritans were either Jews or half Jew/half Gentile, then Jesus would still have accounted them as being part of "the lost sheep of the house of Israel "...AS YOU JUST ARGUED YOURSELF (whether you're aware of it or not). It's really that simple.

And as said before, your original point, sadly, is another false scenario---for no one has said that the Samaritans were Jews, as that is you and you alone making that claim. Being of the Lost Sheep of Israel had a context.


For commentary, as one man noted best:
The Samaritans are generally regarded as the descendants of those Jews who survived the Assyrian attack on the Northern Kingdom. They inhabited Samaria, which is why they are called Samaritans.

The Samaritans were despised by the Jews because they may have intermarried with the other nations. Some considered them to be half-breeds. It is clear from the gospels that Jews hated Samaritans and did not consider them to be Jews (cf. John 4:9; 8:48).

However, if lineal descent defines Israel/Jew, then the Samaritans were still Jews. Dispensationalists insist that blood alone determines who is Israel/Jew. The Samaritans were still Jews and heirs of the promises to Abraham, regardless of what the Jews of that day thought.

The problem with this is that Jesus did not consider the Samaritans to be Jews. Jesus did not regard them as part of Israel. This is obvious from what Jesus said to his disciples:
“Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans. But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel” (Matthew 10:5-6).
Jesus was often kind to the Samaritans (cf. Luke 10, John 4) and went out of his way to help them, but he did not regard them as Jews or part of Israel. They were in a different category.

All of this points to the fact that Israel/Jew was never defined strictly by blood. The Samaritans were blood descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, yet Jesus declared that they were not part of Israel. They were not Jews.

How do we explain this?

This is the “pruning” principle. The Samaritans were pruned off of Israel. They were cut off and no longer consider Jews.

What caused the Samaritans to be pruned? Were the Samaritans pruned off because they intermarried with non-Jews? Did the dilution of Jewish blood result in their pruning?

No, many Jews intermarried, and they, and their children, retained their status as Jews and part of Israel. Many Jews lacked pure Jewish blood, including Boaz and Jesus.

The Samaritans were pruned off when they abandoned the worship of the true God. They worshiped at their own place and in their own way (cf. John 4)....................

Interestingly, there are still Samaritans alive today. They are descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Jewish blood runs through their veins. Ethnically, they have just as strong of a claim to the promises to Abraham as Modern Israel.

But, it was never about the blood. It was always about religion. The promises were not made to the blood descendants of Abraham but to the spiritual descendants.


Additionally, as others have noted:
Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. To whom he himself was sent, Matthew 15:24. By "the house of Israel" is meant the whole Jewish nation; for though this phrase, when distinguished from the house of Judah, designs only the ten tribes; yet here it intends all the Jews, then living in the land of Judea, among whom there were some of all the tribes: and by "the lost sheep" of this house, are meant either all the people of the Jews in general, who were wandering, and were lost in error and sin, and to whom the external ministry of the Gospel came; or rather the elect of God among them, for whose sake particularly the apostles were sent unto them. These are called "sheep", because they were chosen of God, and given to Christ to be redeemed, looked up, sought out, and saved by him; and "lost" ones, not only because lost in Adam, and by their own transgressions, so that neither they themselves, nor any mere creature, could save them from eternal ruin and destruction; but also, because they were made to go astray, and were lost through the negligence and errors of their pastors, the Scribes and Pharisees: and this character is the rather given of them, partly to reflect upon the characters of the shepherds of Israel: and partly to magnify the grace of God, in having regard to such ruined and miserable creatures; and also to excite the compassion and diligence of the apostles, to preach the Gospel to them: respect seems to be had to Jeremiah 1:16.
People's New Testament
10:6 The lost sheep of the house of Israel. The lost descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Compare this commission with the one given to the apostles after the death and resurrection of the Lord (Mt 10:5,6 28:19). In this commission the apostles are forbidden to go to the Gentiles or the Samaritans, and are confined to the house of Israel. In the other they are commanded to go into all the world (Mt 24:14) and to preach the gospel to every creature (Mr 16:15); to go first to Jerusalem, and to Judea, and to Samaria and to the uttermost part of the earth (Ac 1:8). The first commission is Jewish; the second is world-wide. Yet both are given by the same Lord; why this wide difference? Because the new dispensation was not ushered in until after the resurrection. The Jewish law, national, exclusive, a wall of partition from Gentiles, was yet in force. Christ, born under the law, and the apostles also were under it until it was removed. They could not keep it and yet become missionaries to the Gentiles. But when Christ died the old dispensation, the law, died with him. The handwriting of ordinances was nailed to the cross (Col 2:14). The old covenant passed away when the new came into force, sealed with the blood of Christ. After the death and resurrection of Christ, the law ceased to be binding upon the apostles. The distinctions of Jew and Gentile were destroyed. Hence, under the new covenant, the world-wide covenant, there was a new commission that would send the gospel to all the world. The old covenant was with the seed of Abraham; the new covenant embraced all nations. See Heb 8:13.
The Samaritans considered Abraham, Isaac and Jacob to be their forefathers and religious leaders. And they also acknowledged Moses to be God's prophet, the Torah to be God's Holy Book, and awaited the coming of the Messiah. Nonetheless, at the time of Jesus, the Jews did not consider the Samaritans to be among the true Children of Israel because they had become mixed with foreigners....Half-Breeds. Worship of the Samaritans was different from that of the Jews. They had a temple on Mount Gerizim. They were therefore not really part of the Jewish church, but Gentiles, for by the law of Moses the children of Israel might worship only in the one place where the ark was, containing the two tables on which the Ten Commandments were written, and this ark was in the temple at Jerusalem. And yet the Samaritans differed from other Gentiles because they knew about Jehovah, and expected the Messiah.


That was...is...and always will remain among one of the central reasons that Samaritans were not called the Lost Sheep of Israel. If coming back with the claim that others are saying Samaritans are Jews, either you're not listening at best....or willfully ignoring at worst.

What you said has NOTHING to do with the scriptural issues of the Samaritans already being shown to have Israelite blood since their origins involved an intermixing of the nations Assyria brought in with the leftovers of the scattered tribes. What you note isn't even Biblical since there were plenty of Gentiles in the scripture with Israelite blood (as well as mixture) and they weren't automatically called "Lost SHeep of the House of Israel", as Ezra 9-10 notes plainly when the sons of the priests/Levites and other Jewish male leaders that had parents from other nations outside of the Jewish nation were sent away with their mothers---and what you're doing is trying to force the text to say what you THINK it should say in order to be clear on a point...yet you err due to failire of understanding what terms meant in their original context and how they were seen scripturally. For being of the House of Israel was about a lifestyle---not genetics alone. Period.

It's that simple....and if one cannot deal with God's Word fully, it's probably best for one not to deal with it at all.

Acts 20:27


27 For I have not shunned to declare to you the whole counsel of God

 
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This thread is specifically about the Samaritans, so of course their origin/ethicnicty is of importance I would think....;)

Of importance?

Yes.

IOW, we need to understand the reasons behind why the Jews had no dealings with the Samaritans in order to fully comprehend/appreciate what was taking place.

Of PRIMARY importance?

Absolutely not.

The main issue in this account was the woman's need (and everyone's need, for that matter) to obtain FROM JESUS "water springing up into everlasting life" (John 4:14).

As such, I'd much rather "major on the majors" than "major on the minors"...if you know what I'm saying.

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This thread is specifically about the Samaritans, so of course their origin/ethicnicty is of importance I would think....;)


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I agree---and the bottom line is that thus far, there has been no demonstration of showing that the Samaritans did not have Israelite blood in them and an avoidance of scripture when it is brought up:cool:. People are entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts, IMHO. What scripture says is what scripture says and it should go together. Moreover, ethnicity is inherent in the discussion of Samaritan since it was one of the reasons (alongside religious practice) that caused much of the anger between Jews and Samaritans...and as noted earlier, Christ as the one who could bring salvation (just as He did with the Jews) is why the ethnic issues are so key, for it shows that through the life/sacrifice and shed blood of Messsiah all men find redeemption in Him...no matter how messed up their background can be...and true healing/reconcilliation is shown in Christ, who went OUT of His way to do what was radical (as a Jewish man) to reach those who were equally radical (with the Samaritan woman).
 
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Easy G (G²):

I'll "probably" (I couldn't care less about defending myself) address some of the false witness that you just bore about me (unless you repent and edit it before then) later on today. If I do, then it will only be so that you don't deceive others as you have absolutely no chance whatsoever of deceiving me into believing things that I never even said.

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Easy G (G²):

I'll "probably" (I couldn't care less about defending myself)
Whether or not people say that they couldn't care less about defending themselves has nothing to do with the fact that they already have done so and can come off a bit perplexing when they continue to do so...thus diffusing that issue altogether.

I'll "probably address some of the false witness that you just bore about me (unless you repent and edit it before then) later on today.

What's in the scriptures the scriptures is in the scriptures...and when/where History verifies to the fact (as it concerns what kings, historians and leaders have said about a group), there is little room for argument. If you cannot deal with where the Word already makes clear multiple times that there categories of people with mixed backgrounds of both Israelite and Foreign origins (some being considered "Israel" whereas others were not and were called by differing titles), then there's no basis for claiming "false"

What's in the Book (Word) is what's in the Book. No way around that....and I'd rather let the Word define things for us rather than trying to force the Word to define it as man sees fit.
If I do, then it will only be so that you don't deceive others as you have absolutely no chance whatsoever of deceiving me into believing things that I never even said.
Often, anytime someone comes against something they're not used to cannot refute from scripture and are shown where what they say cannot be defended from the Word (especially if the mindset has been taken that they are the only ones right in their defense of the Word of God simply because of how they alone see it ), it can be hard to see where there may not be a level of processing fully what scripture says....sort of similar to when others dared to say "All Pharisees were condemned by Christ and none were disciples!!!!! (counter to where scripture shows others who followed him) and claims "They must all be condemned because Christ said "Woe to the Pharisees in Matthew 23!!!!"---even though they would have to leave out a HOST of scriptures/historical context to show such...and it can be similar to others claiming that the "NKJV" (New King James Version) of scripture was the original scriptures Jesus used and then claiming that all others disagreeing with that are either "decieved" or trying to "decieve" others. A mind convinced against its will is of the same opinion still, as the old saying goes.....and no form of avoiding the call to properly listen or acknowledge where scripture was avoided can qualify as defending God's truth (Proverbs 18:2, Proverbs 18:13, Proverbs 19:2, etc).



Shalom :)
 
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I did not know the tribes were so scattered and I did not know the Samaritans were of the tribes even though it was staring me right in the face with her comment about the well. This thread has turned into so much more and I am grateful for everyones input. I'm learning so much.

Glad to know, Sister Tamara, that the thread blessed you and I pray that you would continue to be blessed as you seek answers from the scriptures/history and see more of the fullness behind why the meeting of Christ with the Samaritan was so significant:cool:
 
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I have heard people say that few women would have been at the well in the heat of the day, but the cool of the evening was the time to gather, and socialize together. There may well have been a reason that the woman was alone at the well, to avoid the gossip, and the stares that would be inevitable on account of her compromised sexual situation.

We are talking about the ME, after all, where women are still stoned for less than what was implied about this woman.


Jesus not only crosses the racial social barriers between the despised Samaritans that any self-respecting Jew would avoid at all cost, but the sexual segregation where it would be improper to talk with a strange woman at the well in the first place.

He did so not because he thirsted for her like many men might have seeking out the low places, but because he thirsted for her salvation.

It is the beginning of the open table, where the restrictions for Jews about who they dine and socialize with are being overturned. People that hear the voice of the Spirit share a drink together, and what the Spirit has brought together, let no men pull asundeer.

Because Jesus valued Salvation above Ethnic lines, it caused Him to be willing to "color outside the lines"/cross certain boundaries that others had set up which were never necessary to begin with.

Some of it isn't surprising, however, when seeing what Christ had to go through Himself growing up as one who was mistreated due to His background...just as the Samaritan woman was. He could relate to outcasts because He himself was one. In example, in Matthew 4 and Luke 4, the Lord YEshua was affirmed PUBLICALLY that he was indeed the son of His Father, who was well pleased with him...something he noted far earlier to His parents in Luke 2 when they found Him in the temple and He noted He had to be in His "Father's House." Seeing how many may've assumed that Jesus was an illegitimate child and Joseph was not the real father (which was hinted at in John 8:40-42 when the Jewish people noted of themselves that they were not illegitimate children to Jesus when he challenged them), having to be confirmed was a big deal. Although the Lord was qualified to be considered an heir to the Davidic line, he still was not known to be one who was born of a virgin....and thus, the stigma of being considered as being born out of wedlock would not have gone away easily. People contanstly thought Mary was a loose woman in her youth and that Joseph tried to cover for her, with Christ being called alot of things most likely.

One man of God, known as Joseph Garlington, said it best here:






From what I was able to see, the Lord would be in need of having a rite of passage himself. Messianic Jew Asher Intrater from "Revive Israel" ministries and Israel Mandate...actually had one of the greatest speeches on the subject I've ever heard of entitled You Are My Beloved Son


For another example of where Christ was treated as an outcasts because of His background...just as the Samaritan woman was...With Christ, others were threatened...and thus, his background was often used against him in POLITICAL ways more often than not. The leaders tried to trap him multiple times and get him in trouble with the government, as seen in Matthew 22 when came to their questioning Him.

But his upbringing is where they seemed to have the most issue.

Recall John 7:
John 7:37-53

Still others asked, “How can the Messiah come from Galilee? 42 Does not Scripture say that the Messiah will come from David’s descendants and from Bethlehem, the town where David lived?” 43 Thus the people were divided because of Jesus. 44 Some wanted to seize him, but no one laid a hand on him.

Unbelief of the Jewish Leaders
45 Finally the temple guards went back to the chief priests and the Pharisees, who asked them, “Why didn’t you bring him in?”
46 “No one ever spoke the way this man does,” the guards replied.

47 “You mean he has deceived you also?” the Pharisees retorted. 48 “Have any of the rulers or of the Pharisees believed in him? 49 No! But this mob that knows nothing of the law—there is a curse on them.”

50 Nicodemus, who had gone to Jesus earlier and who was one of their own number, asked, 51 “Does our law condemn a man without first hearing him to find out what he has been doing?”

52 They replied, “Are you from Galilee, too? Look into it, and you will find that a prophet does not come out of Galilee.”

[The earliest manuscripts and many other ancient witnesses do not have John 7:53—8:11. A few manuscripts include these verses, wholly or in part, after John 7:36, John 21:25, Luke 21:38 or Luke 24:53.]

53 Then they all went home,




The Pharisees that Jesus came against, often noted to be apart of the School of Shemi, were not accepting of Gentiles....and this is not surprising since the School of Shemai taught such. Thus, using their authorities, they often tried to silence anything that was supportative of Gentile praise. Its one of the reasons they came in conflict with Christ---as with him being more in line with the School of Hilel, he would have been very much opposed to Him. Though they could claim nothing good came out of Nazareth/Galilee, they could only reinforce that thought if they skipped over what the Prophets had already said.


As said of Galilee by Isaiah:
Isaiah 9: 1
Nevertheless, there will be no more gloom for those who were in distress.
In the past he humbled the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, but in the future he will honor Galilee of the Gentiles, by the way of the sea, along the Jordan.


What the Pharisees did not tell the people was that yes in the past God did humble the land of Zebulun but in the future God will honour Galilee of the Gentiles.....and the future had arrived, as the Messiah was from Galilee---The One place that many Ethocentric Jews just could not stand. Bear in mind that the Jews LITERALLY wanted to kill him after praising Gentiles (like Naaman the Syrian or the Widow who the prophet fed) in Luke 4/Matthew 4...as they felt that only Jews could have truth faith...but this was apart of prophecy

For as much as the Pharisees (minus the godly ones, such as Nicodemus---a secret follower of Christ) and Saducess would say Christ was illegitimate due to his upbringing, they had no real basis...and their desire to kill Jesus was birthed out of how he was really challenging their biases/prejudices toward certain groups. When they said "Examine the Scriptures.....you will see that out of Galilee there ariseth no prophet!!!!", it was a reflection of something that often happens in history when certain groups deliberately leave out the stories of where other groups have made contributions---and then all precedding generations afterward believe the lie. For the Pharisees were simply false in their claims (as were others agasinst Galilee) since Jonah was of Gathheper, in Galilee ( 2 Kings 14:25, compared with Joshua 19:13). As said before, Jonah was a prophet from Galilee (Gath-hepher) who counseled Jeroboam II in his successful conflict with the Syrians...making our date for the prophet Jonah to be that of 786-746 B.C.E. During Jeroboam II's reign, the boundaries of Israel reached the former limits of David's kingdom. And a new threat arose in the move of Assyria as it expanded and swalloed up kingdoms. Jonah came from Galilee to prophesy during expansion of Israel under Jeroboam II. ..and as the story of Jonah shows, God responded compassionately to Israel

Outside of Jonah, other prophets came from the "Ghetto" of Israel. In example, the Prophet Nahum was also a Galilean ( (Na 1:1) ), for he was of the tribe of Simeon. And some suppose that Malachi was of the same place. If that wasn't enough, the greatest of the prophets was Elijah the Tishbite (1 Kings 17:1)---and even HE was of Galilee. Either they were unaware of scripture as they were teaching--or they were BLANTANTLY putting up a BOLD Front due to desiring to maintain the "color line" in the Jewish world when it came to hating to admit any of the contributions other ethnic/cultural groups in the Jewish world could bring.....no more different than today if saying two sub-groups in a larger culture are fighting (i.e. West Indian Blacks and Black Hispanics of the Americas and African Blacks) and one side has power....but refuses to publish where another group has made significant impact in the world.

Be it with Gentiles or Samaritans, much of the focus was an ethnocentric focus that said only Jews could be saved and needed to hear about the Lord---and thus, for Christ, His arrival shook all of that up :)
 
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