What is the truth?

strangertoo said:

utter destruction of the earth and heavens and almost all mankind Ecclesiastes 3:17 I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.

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What is truth?
Psa 30:9 What profit is there in my blood, when I go down to the pit? Shall the dust praise thee? shall it declare thy truth?

Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
Joh 18:37, 38

indeed, no-one can love in the grave, one can only stop sinning and love to please God when alive ... this is the truth of Love, the truth of God, that one can only know by DOING that love, not by remaining a sinner :-

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

this is what Jesus said, this is his voice, ,he will deny anyone who does not stop sinning :-

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Luke 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

strangertoo said:

indeed, no-one can love in the grave, one can only stop sinning and love to please God when alive ... this is the truth of Love, the truth of God, that one can only know by DOING that love, not by remaining a sinner :-

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

this is what Jesus said, this is his voice, ,he will deny anyone who does not stop sinning :-

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Luke 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

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People try to model themselves after Moses, which is the word of death, instead of Jesus, who is the word of Life.

4 Such confidence we have through Christ before God. 5 Not that we are competent in ourselves to claim anything for ourselves, but our competence comes from God. 6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. ~Paul


It isn't a magical formula, anymore than any marriage is a magical formula. Just don't expect the marriage to hold together if you don't hold up your part of the bargain.


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love in the grave is possible, it just needs a little YAH-fire. then the pit transforms from water to fire.

no one can stop the fire, i saw it. everyone burns up. it already happened. kind of weird being in this place, its like a memory. past that wall that no one can see, we are all very happy. the cool part is when we grasp this universe and pull it into ours, which i shall call the "and more". that happens when we show you that there is no wall.

you are all each your own reality and so much more but only with YAH. that is what you get when you marry truth and when you remember who your husband is. until then you are just a poor blind dude that walks around and pokes others with a stick. yeah sure take some talents dude, if you don't wanna see reality I will give you table scraps since you like to eat those. but stop eating dirt! its not healthy.

but people wanna keep their walls up, they should progress and see that there is no wall! get out of the tiny bubble called "my illusion of reality", seriously, YAHs reality is way cooler and it is funner working for him when you understand you are his co-worker.

truth is internal and external. it takes lies and sorts him out and then it shows the lie its true nature. its like an grain of sand learning that it is going to be transmuted into a galaxy, but that was just a box image of what truth wishes to convey. but we have to be incognito because you would be trapped forever if you knew what kinds of things God has for you. God is delaying for a reason, and I don't know why. you are already all trapped forever, i wonder why this place even exist still? o yeah that is right because this is like a huge compression of all that was created, and we were all created equal but now God is making us "unequal", this is just a game, did you know this reality is nothing more than a story and a game? that is why I said, go to YAH only. this place it builds character. wait til you see what gnashing of teeth is! your gonna freak. ok! back to the place past the wall, lets pretend there is a wall again!

Truth is overwhelming and a very jealous person. get out of your boxes, this place is nice, lots of wine here, wish you were here. take care.

Soulgazer said:

People try to model themselves after Moses, which is the word of death, instead of Jesus, who is the word of Life.

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the ten commandments were ALL repeated by Jesus and the saints, who kept holy sabbaths too, annual and weekly ... the old covenant was only death to Israel's sinners because they did not keep it , it is the wages of sin that is death, not God's law of love ... Jesus' word of life was that one must stop sinning and then God will baptise with His spirit, teach one the whole truth about life, death, the future, yourself, everything , but NOT if one chooses sin, won't stop... Jesus did not cahnge the law, simply fulfilled it where Israel had not... told them they have another chance, a new covenant where God will help them if they stop sinning against Him and obey Him instead ...

4 Such confidence we have through Christ before God. 5 Not that we are competent in ourselves to claim anything for ourselves, but our competence comes from God. 6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. ~Paul

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ONLY the FEW saints are ministers of the new covenant , because they stopped sinning so that they could receive God within, as Jesus had... the spirit will not come unless one stops sinning, Jesus will not take one as a sinner still :-

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Luke 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil

John 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
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44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.

It isn't a magical formula, anymore than any marriage is a magical formula. Just don't expect the marriage to hold together if you don't hold up your part of the bargain.

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the human side of the new covennat of grace is to depart from iniquity, stop sinning against others and oneself and Love in stead , help others with loving one another instead of abusing them with sin against them

God is love, no-one can know god and jesus until they freely choose to love instead of choosing to sin .. sin is unloving abuse ...

1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

1 John 4:16 ... God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

it's that simple according to Jesus and the disciples, but most folks choose the way of sin of their leaders in religion and the various state autorities of a self-destroying world of men... a FEW chose the way of God and Jesus. Love [Matt 7:14] , just tens of thousands of saints [jude 1;14] out of over12 billion men that ever lived , few labourers in love inthis life, too few to help all the poor demolished by sin of the 'rich' ...

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as Paul says, it is wise to stay single because the married sereve on another, the virgins serve God without distraction of the needs of just one other whom they seek to please in every way ,neglecting care of others, care of the saints and the poor for instance...

1 Corinthians 7:28 But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you.
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1 Corinthians 7:34 There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband.

Revelation 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

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Few find the WAY of Love of Jesus in this world and the MANY are destroyed [Matt 7:13-14] , but countless MANY are later saved , so after death, after the resurrection of the unjust sinners of this earth FROM DEATH ... resurrection is always from death to a physical body, even in the new earth... translation is from life to spirit for those who stop sinning and perfect their love in life, now or in the new earth...

Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

Jesus too did not die after his resurrection to the [physical] body , from death to life :-

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]99.[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]This world devours corpses[/FONT]—[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]furthermore, those[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]who eat in it themselves die. The true (person) consumes life—therefore no one nourished in [the truth shall] die. Yeshúa came from within that place, and he brought nourishment from there. And to those whom he wished he gave their lives, so that they not perish.[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, serif](Jn 6:53, Th 11 60, Ph 15; hyperlinear)[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]~ Philip
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many that stop sinning, become saints perfected in love , die unjustly in that perfection of love as Jesus did , but a few are translated directly from life without death at Jesus' return, the reast of the FEW saints are resurrected to life from death first before translation to spirit to get to the new earth... [and manifest there to serve the resurrected sinners of this earth in their coming to love, stopping their sin, receiving spirit baptism to know all truth from God, baptsm of fire to perfect their love in life... the SAME process as Jesus and teh saints in THIS earth but involving billions saved at judgement day [Rev 7:9-10] who were destroyed in the end of this earth [or died still sinners in this life before then]

Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.

Revelation 20:13 and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.


judged by works in the righteous new earth since death frees men from sin of this earth ...

Romans 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin

2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Noxot said:

love in the grave is possible, it just needs a little YAH-fire. then the pit transforms from water to fire.

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that is resurrection , and it may seem immediate because no-one knows anything about anything when they are dead:-

Ecclesiastes 9:5 ... the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward ['punishment' , the wages of sin is only death, no more than that]; for the memory of them is forgotten.

no one can stop the fire, i saw it. everyone burns up. it already happened.

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to stop God, yeah, hardly

Deuteronomy 4:24 For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.

and time means nothing to God, so seeing a vision of what men call 'future' ,well it may seem the end of this story 'has happened' , so it is real to teh spirit that it ;has' but not to most men...

kind of weird being in this place, its like a memory. past that wall that no one can see, we are all very happy. the cool part is when we grasp this universe and pull it into ours, which i shall call the "and more". that happens when we show you that there is no wall.

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the spirit is just endlessness without time that creates what thus begins and ends like illusions, dreams, virtual realities...stories if you prefer that analogy, but the endless part is the spirit so the spirit is real, the stories are just stories, transient tales about 'unreal' things that end...qwhich may be made to seem real to the creation , whilst it lasts , till it ends...

you are all each your own reality and so much more but only with YAH. that is what you get when you marry truth and when you remember who your husband is. until then you are just a poor blind dude that walks around and pokes others with a stick. yeah sure take some talents dude, if you don't wanna see reality I will give you table scraps since you like to eat those. but stop eating dirt! its not healthy.

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lol ... yeah, but most folks simply cannot see yet BECAUSE they have been told what to believe and donot question false authority of creation, do not seek the craetor by ceasing sin , turning to Love...

but people wanna keep their walls up, they should progress and see that there is no wall! get out of the tiny bubble called "my illusion of reality", seriously, YAHs reality is way cooler and it is funner working for him when you understand you are his co-worker.

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time exists only for everyone to learn this, some by the very hardest way, some the easy way of simply stopping sinning now... so it seemingly takes time and indeed another created universe which also will end... because love cannot complete its work until all accept it freely, see it 'works' to bring folks to know the creator , understand that one cannot stay in any creation because they all end... only the creator is endless...

truth is internal and external. it takes lies and sorts him out and then it shows the lie its true nature. its like an grain of sand learning that it is going to be transmuted into a galaxy, but that was just a box image of what truth wishes to convey. but we have to be incognito because you would be trapped forever if you knew what kinds of things God has for you. God is delaying for a reason, and I don't know why. you are already all trapped forever, i wonder why this place even exist still? o yeah that is right because this is like a huge compression of all that was created, and we were all created equal but now God is making us "unequal", this is just a game, did you know this reality is nothing more than a story and a game? that is why I said, go to YAH only. this place it builds character. wait til you see what gnashing of teeth is! your gonna freak. ok! back to the place past the wall, lets pretend there is a wall again!

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that's a rather nice way of expressing it

Truth is overwhelming and a very jealous person. get out of your boxes, this place is nice, lots of wine here, wish you were here. take care.

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LOL... nice

strangertoo said:

the ten commandments were ALL repeated by Jesus and the saints, who kept holy sabbaths too, annual and weekly ... the old covenant was only death to Israel's sinners because they did not keep it .

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I disagree with your interpretation. There is a whole lot more to Moses than the ten commandments, which even Paul found Holy. I am convinced it was the Levitical and deuterotomal laws that Paul said was the word of death.

Let me help you with the Hellenistic reasoning of the Gospel of John. It is important to remember, not what we believe, but what the author(s) believed.

Nearly the whole of early pre-catholic Jewish Christianity celebrated it's freedom from being enslaved to a religion where even the number of steps one took on a Sabbath were counted. Jesus Himself disagreed with the writings attributed to Moses where it was claimed that one who had gathered firewood on a Sabbath was condemned and killed, pointing out the erroneous nature of such a belief with the observation that the Sabbath was created for man. He overturned the "perfect Law of God"(as was believed) of an "Eye for an Eye", not even calling it God's law, but saying "you have heard it said" and belittling it's status of "perfect", by saying "I bring you a better way".(cf Mattew) His disciples did not perform the ceremonial washing before they ate. He claimed Moses had brought the law of divorce and not God.

In sum total, the Levitical and deuteronomical Laws cannot be trusted, just from these surviving examples as being from God, adding further weight to Jesus' words "when he telleth a lie he speaketh his own". Apologist have long said he was talking about Satan, but Jesus did not name Satan. It is to be remembered that Moses was a murderer from the beginning, and Jesus pointed out these examples of lies.

Further, the Pharisee were self described in the Gospel of John as disciples of Moses (John 9:28), though Jesus claimed that even they could not follow him.

Jesus said He was not going to accuse them to the Father, but that Moses, on whom they had set their hope, would. (John 5:45) The Devil is known as "the accuser"

So, imperfectly or otherwise, they were doing the things of Moses, enforcing the Law on others, if not for themselves.

Jesus said If you were the children of Abraham, you would do the things of Abraham (8:39)

they did not follow Abraham, but they were disciples of Moses

They did not obey all of the laws attributed to Moses, but nonetheless, they were written in the name of Moses, hence these writings accused them(John 5:45) However, you do your father's work.(John 8:41)

Jesus overturned faith in these writings by pointing out the errors, and called self described followers of them children of the devil for finding delight in them. (John 8:44)

Soulgazer said:

I disagree with your interpretation. There is a whole lot more to Moses than the ten commandments, which even Paul found Holy. I am convinced it was the Levitical and deuterotomal laws that Paul said was the word of death.

Let me help you with the Hellenistic reasoning of the Gospel of John. It is important to remember, not what we believe, but what the author(s) believed.

Nearly the whole of early pre-catholic Jewish Christianity celebrated it's freedom from being enslaved to a religion where even the number of steps one took on a Sabbath were counted. Jesus Himself disagreed with the writings attributed to Moses where it was claimed that one who had gathered firewood on a Sabbath was condemned and killed, pointing out the erroneous nature of such a belief with the observation that the Sabbath was created for man. He overturned the "perfect Law of God"(as was believed) of an "Eye for an Eye", not even calling it God's law, but saying "you have heard it said" and belittling it's status of "perfect", by saying "I bring you a better way".(cf Mattew) His disciples did not perform the ceremonial washing before they ate. He claimed Moses had brought the law of divorce and not God.

In sum total, the Levitical and deuteronomical Laws cannot be trusted, just from these surviving examples as being from God, adding further weight to Jesus' words "when he telleth a lie he speaketh his own". Apologist have long said he was talking about Satan, but Jesus did not name Satan. It is to be remembered that Moses was a murderer from the beginning, and Jesus pointed out these examples of lies.

Further, the Pharisee were self described in the Gospel of John as disciples of Moses (John 9:28), though Jesus claimed that even they could not follow him.

Jesus said He was not going to accuse them to the Father, but that Moses, on whom they had set their hope, would. (John 5:45) The Devil is known as "the accuser"

So, imperfectly or otherwise, they were doing the things of Moses, enforcing the Law on others, if not for themselves.

Jesus said If you were the children of Abraham, you would do the things of Abraham (8:39)

they did not follow Abraham, but they were disciples of Moses

They did not obey all of the laws attributed to Moses, but nonetheless, they were written in the name of Moses, hence these writings accused them(John 5:45) However, you do your father's work.(John 8:41)

Jesus overturned faith in these writings by pointing out the errors, and called self described followers of them children of the devil for finding delight in them. (John 8:44)

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As you say Moses made several mistakes , God pointed them out even before Jesus did and God would not allow Moses into the promised land because of them... and some Jews indeed followed an follow Moses, other Jewish leaders created apostate Judaism of today, not just Moses by any means... and yes one can say they let Satan lead them astray , they failed just as almost all men on this earth will fail to be perfect in love, the point is that the WHOLE EARTH will worship the wrong god image created by Satan -Rev 13:3-4... it is the great delusion [2Thess 2] , the 'mystery of iniquity' explained, God knows mankind is not ready to love one another yet , not ready to stop sinning and listen to god, not Satan... except a few, tens of thousands [Jude 1:14] -out of over twelve billion that ever lived...

the thing is though that it is the tens of thousands, who perfect love despite the rest ,who determine the future of all men not the billions of sinners, not even united mass religion of sinners , but Love...

as for the OT laws and rituals , God told the Jews they would not keep them even before they agreed to do so... it was just a demo in effect that mankind needed help from God to be loving [because of the power of evil to attract leaders of men , led by Satan , and the unwillingness of men to stop sinning and love , content to follow sinners in religion and the political state powers]
since this is eventually all men except a few [perhaps some two thousand at most, saints alive] there seems little point in singling out Moses and those who in any sense still follow him, it is worldwide, the apostasy of religion, the refusal to stop sinning of even those who call themselves 'Christian sinners' [an oxymoron] or sin by calling themselves 'Christian saints'...

the 'word of death' is the dogma and doctrines of ALL mass religion of sinners and will, according to Jesus MUST, become all the earth ,bar the very FEW who perfect love inthis earth , follow Jesus in all three baptisms and are translated at Jesus'' return to build and ready the kingdon for a thousand years before beginning the massive task of saving the resurrected billions of sinners of this earth freed from sin by death...

the other thing I would say about the OT is that one can identify the symbolism of the Levitical laws and rituals and identfy the meaning as referring to the life of Jesus and saints of the new covennant , so they have a dual use despite that only 24 out of all Israel are recorded as keeping them sufficiently to 'please God' and trigger the early translations of the Hebrew elders ...long before the new covenant ...

mankind today is more rebellious against God than ever, preferring Satan to God but complaining that life is empty without love - quite bizarrely self-contradictory in fact in everything men do [except for the very few who freely choose to love despite the many... ]

Ecclesiastes 1:2 Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.
3 What profit hath a man of all his labour which he taketh under the sun?

this is what destroys us all [Matt 7:13] except the very few saints taken by Jesus [Jude 1:14] which Enoch knew would be so way back millennia ago [recorded when men were first writing things down - amazing unless one knows God , perhaps enough to convince some of God ]

so the words of death are everywhere, even outnunbering the words of life massively ... so i think one would have to justify singling out any particular words of death [by sin] for it is rather the much ignored words of life that need to be focused on to bring in the next generation of saints , that only those who stop sinning can know the true god of love, because sin is unloving... one chooses BETWEEN love or sin and very few choose love every time...

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Leviticus 22:21 And whosoever offereth a sacrifice of peace offerings unto the LORD to accomplish his vow, or a freewill offering in beeves or sheep, it shall be perfect to be accepted; there shall be no blemish therein.

Deuteronomy 18:13 Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God.

Matthew 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect...

2 Corinthians 13:11 Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.

Philippians 3:15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

2 Timothy 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

James 1:4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.

---- perfect love begins by ceasing ALL sin, all abuse of others :-

Ephesians 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

--- the words of death then are everywhere, ubiquitous , anything that causes men to sin because they do not always choose to love

Ezek 18: 24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

Son of Zadok said:

What is truth?

Son of Zadok

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I will give you the exact definition of Truth in the language of Truth.

Truth is every and anything that is flawless in the Spirit.

Son of God

LiveInMercyAndTruth said:

I will give you the exact definition of Truth in the language of Truth.

Truth is every and anything that is flawless in the Spirit.

Son of God

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nothing in the spirit is even subject to flaws
even evil spirits are only evil to man
evil cannot touch God
Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
time cannot reach God
Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
the spirit is whole, ,complete
not subject to division
so the [whole] spirit is 'flaw-less' , 'flawless' doesn't really apply
but then almost all words do not apply as words are formed in the physical world about physical things
they just cannot really be used literally about the spirit
... the Truth though comes easily if one loves all
stops sinning so God can teach one all truth [John 16:13]
that is the way to know the truth , that 'defines' it , but not in words

Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

strangertoo said:

nothing in the spirit is even subject to flaws
even evil spirits are only evil to man
evil cannot touch God
Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
time cannot reach God
Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
the spirit is whole, ,complete
not subject to division
so the [whole] spirit is 'flaw-less' , 'flawless' doesn't really apply
but then almost all words do not apply as words are formed in the physical world about physical things
they just cannot really be used literally about the spirit
... the Truth though comes easily if one loves all
stops sinning so God can teach one all truth [John 16:13]
that is the way to know the truth , that 'defines' it , but not in words

Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

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Do you actually believe all this?

LiveInMercyAndTruth said:

Do you actually believe all this?

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it's scriptural and consistent with everything in my life over 60 years, with the last 30 years studying scripture since God gave me understanding of it, of course I believe it- I'm trying to convey it in case it wakes up a potential saint who is prepared to stop sinning , seek God's truth, get baptised of the spirit to know all truth [John 16:13] and join the search for what Jesus said he came for , be trialled to perfect his love [even to the death as Jesus] , and go with Jesus when he returns to build the kingdom come in the next world where folks finally begin loving one another in large numbers and the many get saved -Rev 7:9-10[where the few only found the way in this life and the many were destroyed Matt 7:13-14]

What do you believe if not what God says ? ... sinners, like most folks believe in sinners and continued sin all their lives? :-

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil

Also there is the matter of the return of Jesus and the billions left gnashing their teeth because Jesus will only take those few he has said he will take [Rev 7:3-8, Jude 1:14], just tens of thousands of saints, none who are still committing sin ... the many have been lied to by sinners seeking a living from religion, soothsayings which cannot be coerced into seeming to agree [exegesis] with much scripture at all:-

2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

sinners are not authoriised by God to teach anyone , only by sinners and Satan , so what they preach is a foolish thing to believe in , but countless many are persuaded because they find it so hard t do what God says and stop sinning, find it so hard to read and understand the word of God because they fell unhappy asking God because they get no answer [because they refuse to love as God commands, refuse to stop sinning - that is why so few find the simple way of following love, not sin -Matt 7:14]

Soulgazer said:

Here is what our writings say:

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sounds sort of like 2 esdras...
and 1 enoch.
and a lot of other things.

Noxot said:

sounds sort of like 2 esdras...
and 1 enoch.
and a lot of other things.

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are we talking of the same notes? :-

" ...of the Gospel of John "

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LiveInMercyAndTruth said:

Truth is every and anything that is flawless in the Spirit.

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What is flawless?

I agree that spirit is more true than form.
Spirit/energy/principle is eternal & unconditional, whereas form (ie our bodies) are temporary & very conditional.

What do you think is the difference between spirit and principle (if any)?

I tend to think that truth is in perspective & the more perspectives, the more truthful. But this isn't very practical because who in the world can know ALL perspectives, except God, who may be more truthful than we can handle.

Comprehender said:

What is flawless?

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Anything without a flaw in it.

strangertoo said:

are we talking of the same notes? :-

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http://www.christianforums.com/t7634612-9/#post60337010

that one. never heard of some of those.
now that i think about how things happened before jesus came and reading PKD..

i'm starting to believe that when king solomon was king, that he sent a bunch of wisdom to a bunch of cultures and it kind of planted some seeds even if only to a few people.

then i remember that daniel was in babylon and then we have that dude that wrote ecclesiasticus. anyways i think towards the end when about the time jesus came to this world that the jews were already so trapped in their law of sin and death that it is no wonder why so many other books that are not included in their canon were spread abroad into different parts of the world.

and some people think that a certain apostle went to the other side of the earth and there is some plausible evidence for that. also that the Holy Spirit and his helpers is able to raise up from "those stones sitting over there"n in any culture people who will speak about the unknown God and are indeed known of God.

or I can take another good example that is very easy to see and say that the seraphim and ect drop down things to people, it is no wonder they cry out that "the earth is full of the glory of the Lord of Spirits". and things like that.

no doubt that those magi that visited the baby jesus had some divine wisdom.

Comprehender said:

What is flawless?

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God is not even subject to flaw , so one might say flaw-less , or untouchably perfect :-

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

I agree that spirit is more true than form.
Spirit/energy/principle is eternal & unconditional, whereas form (ie our bodies) are temporary & very conditional.

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rather time-less , without time , rather that 'eternal' , since Physics proved time is created with the space-time universe, thus not anything to do with the logically prior creator of time ... our very words are products of space-time experienece, they just don't apply to God ... we abuse words in allusions to God, but to then apply logic to what is 'poetic' use of words , to 'study 'theology' analytically, is an obvious philosopical semantic error [made by sinners, not saints , because all under grace are taught by God, not men He 8:8-12] :-

Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee ....any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

again we might say condition-less , absolute rather than relative, so the Truth of God which we know as love , unity of being, integrity, wholeness, undividedness in any regard , at one with heart of love, conscience, mind, spirit is beyond question in us, we know Love is 'right' not wrong for us, we cannot see Love as wrong ...

What do you think is the difference between spirit and principle (if any)?

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spirit is endless , people may see principles as transient, negotiable, changeable ... God does not negotiate His Truth, does not change , does not end

also spirit is creative, endlessly creative of 'things' which end, and spirit is the very source and essence of being... without spirit we are dead :-

James 2:26 ... the body without the spirit is dead...

I tend to think that truth is in perspective & the more perspectives, the more truthful. But this isn't very practical because who in the world can know ALL perspectives, except God, who may be more truthful than we can handle.

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That is the point about Jesus, if we stop sinning and love all around us instead of abusing them with sin , then God through Jesus promses us ALL truth and knowledge of the future [John 16:13]

- one cannot get that through even a lifetime of religion of sinners !

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

this is no option for Christians, Jesus states that he does not know anyone who remains a sinner and at his return he denies anyone still a sinner :-

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Luke 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

the reason is simple, Jesus commands love as God's law, sin is breaking that law, being unloving ...

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil

1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Ezekiel 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

1 John 3:6 ... whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. - [God's law of love commanded by Jesus]

a lord is someone one obeys, so Jesus is not lord of anyone who hasn't stopped sinning, no matter what the say... it is what one does that counts, sin comes from the heart and God looks upon the heart and what it causes one to do...

the simple truth that emerges is then that no-one can know the Truth until they stop sinning, because God will not tell them until they obey Him and Love ... sin is the opposite of Love... so we have to start listening to conscience, mind, spirit, heart of love, if we are to be baptised of the spirit of God to know the Truth...

Love then is the ONLY way to the Truth , sin is the ONLY thing in the way preventing us ... and FEW find the way in this life [Matt 7:14] and the many are destroyed for sin continuing to death [Matt 7:13], but in the next life many are saved [Rev 7:9-10] because God will baptise all flesh then to know all truth [Joel 2:28, John 16:13] ... obviously Joel 2:28 has not happened yet, most die sinners and without knowing all God's Truth in this life... even almost all 'religious' sinners die without spirit baptism to know all Truth form God in this life...

Noxot said:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7634612-9/#post60337010

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- it seems we are indeed missing some references to where the quotes came from , and it would indeed be nice to be able to check them out oneself , maybe our friend will oblige sometime ...

that one. never heard of some of those.
now that i think about how things happened before jesus came and reading PKD..

i'm starting to believe that when king solomon was king, that he sent a bunch of wisdom to a bunch of cultures and it kind of planted some seeds even if only to a few people.

then i remember that daniel was in babylon and then we have that dude that wrote ecclesiasticus. anyways i think towards the end when about the time jesus came to this world that the jews were already so trapped in their law of sin and death that it is no wonder why so many other books that are not included in their canon were spread abroad into different parts of the world.

and some people think that a certain apostle went to the other side of the earth and there is some plausible evidence for that. also that the Holy Spirit and his helpers is able to raise up from "those stones sitting over there"n in any culture people who will speak about the unknown God and are indeed known of God.

or I can take another good example that is very easy to see and say that the seraphim and ect drop down things to people, it is no wonder they cry out that "the earth is full of the glory of the Lord of Spirits". and things like that.

no doubt that those magi that visited the baby jesus had some divine wisdom.

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Well, it started long before that it seems, for all their idol-worship, the lost nation, the House of Israel spread tales of the escape from Egypt of God's chosen people to all the world :-

Deuteronomy 28:64 And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.

the 'Jews' [House of Judah] were always a separate minor 'sect' within Israel , utterly outnumbered and incompatible religiously with the to-them-utterly-'heretic' House of Israel ' [whom most Jews to this day still deny, but scripture records that they never accepted God, never accepted Judaism, never merged with the Jews, but became gentiles by all but birth... in effect then today they are the vast majority of Israel butare 'gentiles', live as gentiles , believe they are gentiles, do not worship God until a saint arrives to tell them who they really are , for God has not forgotten His promise to the descendants of Jacob , sent Jesus ONLY to find the lost House of Israel's descendants living as gentiles amongst the gentiles :-

Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

but, seriously, it essentially is only relevant when God wants to prove that these are Israel [genetically?] to show His power to prophesy the end from the beginning, to say who will be the priests of the new covenant [Jer 31:31-34] who are the kings and priests of the kingdom come in the new earth and heavens :-

Exodus 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

Ezekiel 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

well Israel is still divided into two nations and does not have one anointed king [Messiah, Christ] uniting them into a holy nation of kings and priests under the king of those kings, high priest of those priests of teh order of Melchisedec, Jesus , king of Israel [anointed by Mary , thus this is sign of the TRUE gospel of the true Christ of Israel ,not taught by sinners of mass religion] :-

Matt 26:13 Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached in the whole world, there shall also this, that this woman hath done, be told for a memorial of her.

So we have yet another sign from Jesus of his prophecy of apostasy of mass religion coming true today -Rev 13:3-8, 2Thess 2 and a sign of his second coming [which some lclaim has occurred ,but clearly the sign has not]

but what did Jesus say about the Truth, how it would come to men... this is the REAL point ... that the new covennant says God will teach all who are under grace , NOT MEN ... so frankly it matters not what has been said by ANYONE except the few saints and Jesus who reveal that the Truth comes DIRECT fron God ONLY to EACH saint , to every man who stops sinning...

this IS the new covenant of grace [Jer 31:31-34, Heb 8:8-12] that reveals that mass religion of sinners and the endless hearsay religions of men are all hot air signifying NOTHING , because God will teach His OWN Himself
saints do NOT teach anyone under grace because god does soHeb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
the only work of saints is to wake up [mostly gentile] sinners to seek God by ceasing sinning , it is God who baptises with His spirit, not men... so all the words, othere than the ones saints preach to sinners to cause them to stop sinning, are IN VAIN , and it really matters not at all what sinners say worldwide in countless churches, sects, denominations, cults, mass religions... without spirit baptism no-one gets the Truth, no-one enters the kingdom of God

The House of Israel's descendants , those whose fathers broke the old covenant [Heb 8:8-12] and were rejected ... the 'children' are now accepted in a new covenant, and it says who it is with... no need to pretend it is with everyone ...

WHY ? - because NO-ONE knows who is of the house of Israel any longer , all gentiles look like gentiles , none can say which are of Israel thousands of years ago ... unlike the Jews who REMEMBER ... but then only a FEW saints are Jews [from Jesus' figures perhaps 20,000 or so of the 144,000 saints, the tens of thousand sof Jude 1:14 [showing it is literaly only tens of thousands saved at Jesus' return, not a billion and more 'Christian sinners' of mas religion ... the FEW [Matt 7:14, Jude 1:14, Rev 7:3-8]

so all one has to do to receive God's Truth is just stop sinning, but FEW will... SIMPLE unless one is committed to sin for life ...

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth...and he will shew you things to come.

this saying is true, "there are many called but few are chosen".

i will have you know that the 144,000 is mystery. as long as you do not reduce that number to an appearance then i'm ok with what you say.

the 12 are 12 mountains. this is a very hard mystery for one such as i, but the 12 mountains have a bunch of people, more than 144,000. some make it and some do not. there are other things besides the 12 mountains i think.

144,000 is the spiritual entity called the church. and I am part of her. or i can say she is a part of me. i'm not concerned, we are going to have a lot of fun showing everyone in the ages to come how pleasing to God the real church is. my message is to seek YAH only. that god is only good and that god is love. but I know that most of the people here have to be my children and the others children. this is the food that i am looking forward to, when me and my husband together help many of the children in the various ages we made for them.

I have children in this age as well, i know who i am. i came here because God told me to. i'm trying to contemplate a very very hard mystery that the Lord showed me, that is why i came to this age, and the other ages are part of the mystery that elohim showed me. i'm very happy at how much the Lord loves me. I dripped myself down to this age on accident, then I dripped myself down to this age on purpose. it was not enough dripping words down here so i myself came with my husband to finish everything he said he would finish.

i don't care if no one gets this, people should open their eyes and see who they are in God. but their blind human flesh will convict them when they don't even understand that what i said was true. maybe in this age, maybe in the ones to come. the calling is very loud, but only a few are chosen.

also i am looking for the others that are like me, our name is elohim if you must know. we are the ones that God said "i will make you a foundation for those small ones". also of note, we came here to develop another character of who we are in Christ, this will make the next ages, fun too. did you know all the different ages are like stages too?