What Commandment did God say to; "Remember", that the world wants to forget? (6)

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So if Paul is talking about the ten commandments in chapter 7, which I believe he is, then Paul declares that he serves the law of God.
Sure he is and quotes Thou shalt not covet a part of the stone tablets in 7:7 all in the same verse. He made no distinction from the stone tablets.
 
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I'm sorry but "at the cross" doesn't cut it since the bible doesn't say that anywhere. And hat "light switch" theology are you talking about?


You're absolutely right. God gave laws regarding diet, and I try my best to uphold them. I'm not pulling away from anything, nor am I ashamed of it.



The bible says otherwise.
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Now I'm no english major, but I do say that this text proclaims that those who have a right to the tree of life, and who enter into the city, are those who do the commandments of God.

WHOAAAAA...What do u mean "the cross does notcut it"?

please advise, and just for the record, my buddy ricardo, it still stands that if one delcares other unrighteous by food law violations, then we must presume those who keep food laws, must think they are????:)

again, nothing personal, said with the utmost of respect in an objective theological truth seeking point.

if one thinks other sinners by levitical law, then what must we think those who condemn by ordinance, must think of themselves who keep said ordinances?:scratch:

luv ya bro, frog.:)
 
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So if Paul is talking about the ten commandments in chapter 7, which I believe he is, then Paul declares that he serves the law of God.

i serve it's truth too, but lets not overlook the point, that very holy law, aroused sin, and worked death, 7;11, confirming 2 cor 3, on stone, death and condemnation.

Bro, let me ask u this.:wave:

are u familiar with the definition of exegesis, vs eisegesis?:)

i ask because it seems that u don't seem to understand the whole point of rom 7.:)

Please feel free to respond, we can have an exhastive conversation about the hermeneutics of 7.
 
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I do. Why don't you?

It's been explained to you.

This is what I mean by you believing what you want. TruthWave and Lyscimacus both explained what was meant when he used the word "code". An SDA (me) is telling you there is no code.
Please tell us why Jesus kept the law.

What has been explained. All I saw was a don't take me serious kinda retraction. I've illustrated the code with some examples. I have more. Want them?

What did Lyscimacus take ownership of in his post?
 
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He gave it to Jesus so that we had permission to willfully violate His commandments? Or He gave to Jesus the full responsibility and weight of the curse of the law? Jesus bore our sins, so that we might have victory and be saved.

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Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Galatians 6:2 - "Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ."

God expects to have a remnant people who will EXEMPLIFY His character! This is what it means to be a Christian. Or else, we're better off being atheists.

We are weak, and we fail. But Christ fulfilled where the law was weak. But we are to do our part of what we CAN do. If we WILLFULLY go against what we CAN do, this is called "transgression of the law", and we cannot be saved. This is rebellion, not submission to Christ.
OK please note your underlined fulfilled in us. The word in is used but I think you read by.

And Gal 6:2 says what - the law of Christ. It doesn't say the law of Moses. Yes I understand and the code is a very much a problem. The code is Jesus issued the ten commandments. There is absolutely no Scriptural backing for such a position. This is probably why from scratch has made such a big deal about John 15:10 - a very real problem for the SDA people. It is why they use John 14:15 and either don't know about 15:10 or hope the person they're talking to doesn't know about it.
 
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I do. Why don't you?


It's been explained to you.



This is what I mean by you believing what you want. TruthWave and Lyscimacus both explained what was meant when he used the word "code". An SDA (me) is telling you there is no code.

the code was the law, THERE WAS A CODE. LISTED WAS CORRECT, AS USUAL.:)




rom 2;27 Then he who is physically uncircumcised but keeps the law will condemn you who have the written code and circumcision but break the law.
 
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He gave it to Jesus so that we had permission to willfully violate His commandments? Or He gave to Jesus the full responsibility and weight of the curse of the law? Jesus bore our sins, so that we might have victory and be saved.
Now I wish to deal only with the above statement of your post and have deleted the rest of it for that reason.

The reason that Jesus kept the law has to do with the requirements of the sacrificial system - chiefly the qualifications of the sacrifice. This was very easy for a lamb. They were totally innocent. The sheding of innocent blood for the guilty is a requirement of the law. The lamb also had to have no defects to qualify - no misaligned teeth, no broken bones, perfect fleece etc. Jesus accomplished this by meeting every requirement of the law for a Jewish or Isrealite male. A descendant from Adam could never accomplish this feat because of inheritence. Adam wasn't Jesus' father. God is. Thus Jesus didn't inherit a sinful nature/disposition. God doesn't commit sin and therefore not a sinner. To say that Jesus inherited a sin nature says God is a sinner. Again the code is a problem.
 
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Jesus also kept the law because its Gods will.

Mat_4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

And Jesus was tempted with the same things we are tempted with, so they say.
 
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why did paul say, dying to what BOUND US, IN 7;6.

LOL..NOT VERY FLATTERING.:D

Doesn't say the law dies. It says we die. Not the law. When that old man, that old self is "dead", you are no longer living in the flesh, but in the spirit. Therefore, the law has no condemning power over you. Why? Because you are dead to the law, not violating it. You can only break a law when you are alive to it. You can only keep the law when you're dead to it.
 
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Only a legalist would say such a thing. It appears t me that you simply can't follow the narrative through the Bible.

So why do you appeal to science and other sources?

The code is a problem to understanding.

Again only a legalist could say that.

Calling me a legalist doesn't phase me. Sorry. Christ was a legalist. Paul was a legalist. The disciples were legalist. Of course I define being a legalist as keeping the law.

Again, the "code" statement has been explained to you. You don't want to accept the explanation, then that's on you.
 
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WHOAAAAA...What do u mean "the cross does notcut it"?

Simmer down. I said the cross doesn't cut it because "the cross" doesn't answer the question I posed.

please advise, and just for the record, my buddy ricardo, it still stands that if one delcares other unrighteous by food law violations, then we must presume those who keep food laws, must think they are????:)

You can gnaw away at that bone by yourself buddy. You seem determined to not accept my explanation so I won't bother explaining it anymore.
 
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Please tell us why Jesus kept the law.

Because He was suppose to, just like any other man.

What has been explained. All I saw was a don't take me serious kinda retraction. I've illustrated the code with some examples. I have more. Want them?

Yes, please post these cryptic messages that were being posted that left you with no detailed explanation.

What did Lyscimacus take ownership of in his post?

Couple pages back. I think it's interesting that you can ask this question. Gives me the feeling you haven't been actually seeking an explanation, because it's there. I do believe TruthWave responded to you in regards to the "code" being "biblical truth", which you in turn responded to with a "Are you serious" type of response.
 
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Because He was suppose to, just like any other man.
Do you mean all mankind?
Yes, please post these cryptic messages that were being posted that left you with no detailed explanation.
The incription isn't like a code such as a scrambled word or substituted symbols. The incription is in the defining of the word or phrase as I've pointed out.
Couple pages back. I think it's interesting that you can ask this question. Gives me the feeling you haven't been actually seeking an explanation, because it's there. I do believe TruthWave responded to you in regards to the "code" being "biblical truth", which you in turn responded to with a "Are you serious" type of response.
Even Biblical truth is code for SDA doctrine. Look you can deny all you wish. It is fine with me. But you don't wish to communicate IMO. You wish me to read from to as on. You wish for me to read in as by. I can give more code it you like.
 
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Couple pages back. I think it's interesting that you can ask this question. Gives me the feeling you haven't been actually seeking an explanation, because it's there. I do believe TruthWave responded to you in regards to the "code" being "biblical truth", which you in turn responded to with a "Are you serious" type of response.
You need to give me a quote or post either by number or short cut (preferred) for me to understand what you're talking about.

Come on now I found a quote for you even from another thread. Couple pages should be nothing.
 
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Has anyone tried a boycott of sabbath threads yet? If we don't participate then it would most likely die.
It won't stop those making such threads from just starting new ones over and over posting their doctrine without anyone refuting it and bumping it daily so it appears on the new threads list.
 
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Doesn't say the law dies. It says we die. Not the law. When that old man, that old self is "dead", you are no longer living in the flesh, but in the spirit. Therefore, the law has no condemning power over you. Why? Because you are dead to the law, not violating it. You can only break a law when you are alive to it. You can only keep the law when you're dead to it.

abolished, read 2;15 of eph, and it was not just ceremonial, the law was one, and 2;16, and 2;18 talk of being reconcile TO GOD, access TO THE FATHER, and we were not dead in ceremonial sins in eph 2;1, so kaputzz to that whole notion!

so the reconcilation came after abolishment. hmmmmmmm

the law was the enmity in 2;15, and 2;16 confirms 2;15, ending the enmity.
 
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