What Commandment did God say to; "Remember", that the world wants to forget? (5)

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This is the thread that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friends. Some people, STARTED posting it, not knowing what it WAS! and they'll continue posting into it forever, JUST because....

This is the thread that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friends...

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Don't you also post as 3 Angels Messages, using that identity also? Thanks.
 
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What refusal. It's your argument that the disciples not only stopped keeping the sabbath, but taught against it. You can't prove that. You apply scripture inappropriately. This is the very thing Peter warned would happen to people who took Paul's weighty words and used them wrongly.

Paul was in the synagogue teaching and the gentiles who were in the synagogue asked him to come back. Why do that if the sabbath was no longer in force? Why not free the Jews from this yoke by clearly proclaiming to them the word of God?

What kind of foolishness? I guess this is what happens when you think God has multiple sets of rules regarding righteousness. :doh:
The Scipture shows that the disciples met on Sunday in Acts 20:7. I Cor 16 clearly show the Corinthian and Galatian churches met on Sunday unless they brought offereings to the church other than a worship time. Yes I fully understand the argument that each man put money in a piggy bank at home on the first day of the week. Just a casual reading will show this idea to be in error. I can discuss it fully.

Paul didn't go to the synagogue for the purpose of worship or keeping the sabbath. Paul traveled on the sabbath according to Acts 18:17-19. It doesn't say anything about a different day from the day traveled.

Who asked Paul to come back the next sabbath? Paul wasn't preaching to Christian Jews and Gentiles. Paul was evangelizing. He didn't go there to worship. He went there to evangelize. After a period of time maybe even the after the first appearance some believed, it really doesn't say. But the request is from the first appearance and prolly made after the meeting was over.

Paul preached the same message to the Jews who didn't like it and didn't invite him back. This is why I said the return invite was prolly after the meeting.
 
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This is the thread that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friends. Some people, STARTED posting it, not knowing what it WAS! and they'll continue posting into it forever, JUST because....

This is the thread that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friends...

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Yeah the merry-go-round was really spinning fast this morning. Ah spring and warmer temperatures. No rain today either.
 
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Don't you also post as 3 Angels Messages, using that identity also? Thanks.

You really see me going at it with the color codes? :p

3 Angels Messages has a very different style of posting, for which I admire him greatly for.

I just met him online on this very site a few weeks ago, just like I met TruthWave7 on this site also. The 3 of us came from completely different directions on the planet. None of us knew each other before we bumped into each other on this site. That's the 100% honest truth. Same with Styrder and all the other SDA's. I never knew one SDA that posts on here before I joined.
 
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If I were to respond to everything I just read, I'd be repeating myself for the 20th time in this long list of threads.

Listed likes to bring up the same old arguments we refuted a long time ago, and then pretend as though he finally has a case, hoping we'll forget that we dealt with all these same arguments exhaustively and exegetically in the previous versions of this same thread.

For example: his argument that the Sabbath was given to Israel and no on else. This is a smoke-screen argument as he knows we will not have the energy to repeat ourselves. He knows that we provided sound exegesis proving that the Kingdom of Israel was given over to the new Husbandmen, the Church. Yet he will continue to pretend he never heard.
No listed brings up the same Scripture because it applies and hasn't been successfully refuted yet. There have been a few attempts, though.

In Deuteronomy Moses says it was not given to anyone else, not even their fathers which includes Abraham.:p

Ain't no smoke screen.
 
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The fact that the New Covenant was only made to Israel, and not Gentiles, proves that we are spiritual Israel. Because we are New Testament Christians. All gentiles that accept Christ are saved under the New Covenant promise.
Where do you get this idea? First off Jeremiah doesn't say Gentiles won't get to participate in the new covenant.

Secondly the new one isn't like the old one as promised by Jeremiah.

And thirdly the record of Acts also includes Gentiles without becoming Israelites by entering into their covenant. Read about Cornelus and the Jerusalem council in Acts.
 
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Literal Israel in God's prophetic clock is over my friend. Spiritual Israel is here to stay, and the king of Israel is none-other than Jesus Christ, with the New Jerusalem being the capital of the saints.
I guess if you don't like Paul that might be true. I think Paul is correct in Romans 11.
 
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Old Testament Israel was a type of New Testament Israel. Consistency demands the following hermeneutical rule:
I guess you can say that if you like. IOW bolonga. Isreal is God's wife and the church is Jesus' bride.
The New Testament employs itself as the antitype of Old Testament types. This means that the New Testament employs itself as the focal point in fulfillment of Old Testament patterns. Exodus 25:9-40 describes on how the Sanctuary materials were made after a pattern, and the Hebrew for pattern is "tabniyth", and it means a form, plan, figure, image, and is equivalent to "tupos" in the Greek.
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In Hebrews 8:5 the sanctuary was an "example" and "shadow" of heavenly things. In Greek, the word for “example” is "hupadeigma", which means an "example, an imitation, a figure, a copy", and the word for shadow is "skia" means an "image cast by an object and representing the form of that object." These words are very similar to "tupos" and "antitupos".

So in essence, the Mosaic sanctuary was a pattern, a type of heavenly things. With this in mind, it becomes clear that the local and literal settings of the land of Palestine, Jerusalem, the Temple, and the Jews, were a type of the worldwide saints with the Heavenly Jerusalem being the capital of the saints. The saints of the New Covenant make up the spiritual Davidic Sanctuary, and the New Testament Saints come to God through the Priestly Ministry of Christ in the Heavenly Sanctuary--the Antitypical interpretation shows that the literal settings of Ancient Israel served as a Type, or a Pattern, of worldwide Spiritual Israel.
Ya lost me here.
 
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The Scipture shows that the disciples met on Sunday in Acts 20:7.

According to the Bible, each day begins at sundown and ends at the next sundown (Genesis 1:5, 8, 13, 19, 23, 31; Leviticus 23:32) and the dark part of the day comes first. So Sabbath begins Friday night at sundown and ends Saturday night at sundown. This meeting of Acts 20 was held on the dark part of Sunday, or on what we now call Saturday night. The New English Bible begins Acts 20:7 like this: "On the Saturday night in our assembly ..." It was a Saturday-night meeting as evidenced in verse 8 where it says “and there were many lights in the upper chamber, where they were gathered together”, and it lasted until midnight. Paul was on a farewell tour and knew he would not see these people again before his death (verse 25). No wonder he preached so long! (No regular weekly service would have lasted all night.) Paul was "ready to depart on the morrow." He spent his entire day on Sunday traveling by foot and sailing. Does that sound like a “Sabbath” activity? The "breaking of bread" has no "holy day" significance whatever, because they broke bread daily (Acts 2:46). There is not the slightest indication in this Scripture passage that the first day is holy, nor that these early Christians considered it so. Nor is there the remotest evidence that the Sabbath had been changed. Incidentally, this meeting is probably mentioned in the Scripture only because of the miracle of raising Eutychus back to life after he fell to his death from a third-floor window. In Ezekiel 46:1, God refers to Sunday as one of the six "working days." Some may argue that even though the disciples came together Saturday night (which Biblically speaking begins the “first day” of the week), it was still the first day nonetheless and they were respecting it in honor of the resurrection. Assuming this is true, we discover a big problem. Christ rose early Sunday morning, not Saturday night. If the disciples were giving any respect to Sunday in honor of the resurrection, then why were they celebrating it during the time when Jesus was still dead and buried in the grave? As we can see, the arguments that Sundaykeepers use have no bearings whatsoever.

I Cor 16 clearly show the Corinthian and Galatian churches met on Sunday unless they brought offereings to the church other than a worship time. Yes I fully understand the argument that each man put money in a piggy bank at home on the first day of the week. Just a casual reading will show this idea to be in error. I can discuss it fully.

No, there is no reference here to a public meeting. The money was to be laid aside privately at home. A famine was raging in Judea (Romans 15:26; Acts 11:26-30), and Paul was writing to ask the churches in Asia Minor to assist their famine-stricken brethren. These Christians all kept Sabbath holy, so Paul suggested that on Sunday morning (which was the time they paid bills and settled accounts), after the Sabbath was over, they put aside something for their needy brethren so it would be on hand when he came. It was to be done privately or, as La Santa Biblia (a Spanish translation) says, "at home." Notice also that there is no reference here to Sunday as a holy day. In fact, the Bible nowhere commands or even suggests Sundaykeeping. By laying aside money, they were actually working on Sunday!

Paul didn't go to the synagogue for the purpose of worship or keeping the sabbath. Paul traveled on the sabbath according to Acts 18:17-19. It doesn't say anything about a different day from the day traveled.

Interesting. Acts 18:17-19 doesn't say anything what you just said here. It says he tarried, it doesn't say he traveled on the Sabbath. It's also an "uber" assumption that it's still the same Sabbath since verse 4. Strange strange strange.

Who asked Paul to come back the next sabbath? Paul wasn't preaching to Christian Jews and Gentiles. Paul was evangelizing. He didn't go there to worship. He went there to evangelize. After a period of time maybe even the after the first appearance some believed, it really doesn't say. But the request is from the first appearance and prolly made after the meeting was over.

The point is clear: According to Acts 13:14, 42-44; 16:13; 17:2; and 18:4, worshiping on Sabbath was a "way of life". In 17:2, the text gives no indication that they studied from the scriptures on Sabbath because he was "evangelizing". It says "as his custom [or manner] was", and this is the same expression being used for Paul's Sabbath keeping as was Christ's in Luke 4:16. The emphasis is plain: It is a "way of life" for both Jesus and Paul.

Paul preached the same message to the Jews who didn't like it and didn't invite him back. This is why I said the return invite was prolly after the meeting.

This does not detract from the issue that the Sabbath was kept, and Paul persuaded not just Jews, but Greeks as well.

There is not one intimation whatsoever in scripture that any sacredness was ever attached or associated with the first day of the week. Every single account from scripture on the first day of the week fails miserably in presenting a case of "special service" associated with that day.
 
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Old Testament Israel was a type of New Testament Israel. Consistency demands the following hermeneutical rule:

The New Testament employs itself as the antitype of Old Testament types. This means that the New Testament employs itself as the focal point in fulfillment of Old Testament patterns. Exodus 25:9-40 describes on how the Sanctuary materials were made after a pattern, and the Hebrew for pattern is "tabniyth", and it means a form, plan, figure, image, and is equivalent to "tupos" in the Greek.

In Hebrews 8:5 the sanctuary was an "example" and "shadow" of heavenly things. In Greek, the word for “example” is "hupadeigma", which means an "example, an imitation, a figure, a copy", and the word for shadow is "skia" means an "image cast by an object and representing the form of that object." These words are very similar to "tupos" and "antitupos".

So in essence, the Mosaic sanctuary was a pattern, a type of heavenly things. With this in mind, it becomes clear that the local and literal settings of the land of Palestine, Jerusalem, the Temple, and the Jews, were a type of the worldwide saints with the Heavenly Jerusalem being the capital of the saints. The saints of the New Covenant make up the spiritual Davidic Sanctuary, and the New Testament Saints come to God through the Priestly Ministry of Christ in the Heavenly Sanctuary--the Antitypical interpretation shows that the literal settings of Ancient Israel served as a Type, or a Pattern, of worldwide Spiritual Israel.

With the above imagery depicted, it should not be difficult for Dispensationalists to discern that the New Testament Church is clearly the Antitypical world-wide spiritual Israel of the Old Testament Typical local and literal Israel in literal Palestine, and uplifted to a much higher spiritual conflict in the book of Revelation. If the Old Testament earthly sanctuary was a figure or pattern of the Heavenly Antitypical Sanctuary where Christ mediates in the New Covenant dispensation, and the Church saints come before God through the High Priestly Ministry of Christ by faith in the Heavenly Sanctuary (like the Jews came before God at the door of the tabernacle through the earthly priestly ministration), then clearly consistency demands the typology to indicate that the Church Saints are the realization of Antitypical, New Testament spiritual Israel.
Not in accordance with Gen 17 and 18.
 
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...Isreal is God's wife and the church is Jesus' bride....

Are you saying there are two wives?

Question: Who is the Husband?

For thy Maker [is] thine husband; the LORD of hosts [is] his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called. Isaiah 54:5

For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Ephesians 5:23

For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present [you as] a chaste virgin to Christ. 2 Corinthians 11:2

And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they fast. Matthew 9:15

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:3

[That] was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. John 1:9

He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. John 1:10

He came unto his own, and his own received him not. John 1:11

Question:Again, Who is the Husband?

Turn, O backsliding children, saith
the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion: Jeremiah 3:14

Surely [as] a wife treacherously departeth from her husband, so have ye dealt treacherously with me, O house of Israel, saith the LORD. Jeremiah 3:20

GOD gives a human example through the Prophet Hosea...of what HIS Spouse, HIS Wife, had done to GOD... they committed adultery and whoredoms...


The beginning of the word of the LORD by Hosea. And the LORD said to Hosea, Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms: for the land hath committed great whoredom, [departing] from the LORD. Hosea 1:2

Plead with your mother, plead: for she [is] not my wife, neither [am] I her husband: let her therefore put away her whoredoms out of her sight, and her adulteries from between her breasts; Hosea 2:2

But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. 1 Corinthians 6:17

For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to
one husband, that I may present [you as] a chaste virgin to Christ. 2 Corinthians 11:2

For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Ephesians 5:23

The entire Song Of Songs [Solomon] is one of the Love of GOD [CHRIST] for HIS Bride the Church/people. Consider also Revelation, the City, New Jerusalem, the symbol of God's People. 144,000 numerically given, 144 cubits in the walls, know ye not that you are living stones? [1 Peter 2:5; Revelation 3:12, etc], each of the stones in the walls the very stones upon the Breast of the Great High Priest, CHRIST JESUS, close to HIS heart... there is ever so much more to share upon it...


I have likened the daughter of Zion to a comely and delicate [woman]. Jeremiah 6:2

Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the
marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. Revelation 19:7

And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. Revelation 21:2

And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God [is] with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, [and be] their God. Revelation 21:3

And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee
the bride, the Lamb's wife. Revelation 21:9

HUSBAND yet still further...

For thy Maker [is] thine husband; the LORD of hosts [is] his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called. - Isaiah 54:5

Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion. - Jeremiah 3:14

For [as] a young man marrieth a virgin, [so] shall thy sons marry thee: and [as] the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, [so] shall thy God rejoice over thee. - Isaiah 62:5

And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they fast. - Matthew 9:15

Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. - Matthew 25:1

While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. - Matthew 25:5

And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. - Matthew 25:10

And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them? as long as they have the bridegroom with them, they cannot fast. - Mark 2:19

But the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then shall they fast in those days. - Mark 2:20

And he said unto them, Can ye make the children of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them? - Luke 5:34

But the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then shall they fast in those days. - Luke 5:35

He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. - John 3:29
 
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Dispensationalists like to somehow graft Gentiles all into the same stock for the benefits of salvation, yet at the same time, keep them distinct. If all are grafted into the "salvation" benefits of the Abrahamic Covenant via the olive tree and made possible by Christ's atonement, what point is there to still continue making a distinction? Why reinstitute sacrifices for the Jews in the 70th week when all they have to do is Accept the Messiah just like anyone? Some say this is for land benefits. I don't know about how anyone else may feel, but the land of Israel leaves something to be desired. To me it would be pretty irresponsible of God to have the Israelites inherit that warn-torn-down land. That whole land needs to be refurbished—and what better way than to renew the whole earth? Why do you think that Christ constantly told the Jews "My kingdom is not of this World"? (John 18:36)
I beg to differ with you here.

First Jesus isn't and doesn't represent Israel any where in the Scripture. We are graft into the Root (Jesus) and not Israel. This doesn't conflict with the promise given to Abraham. Abraham has 2 covenants. See both chapters I mentioned in my last post. Gen 17 and 18. I'm not an heir of Isaac or Jacob but Abraham. We're joint heirs with Jesus - Rom 8:17. We're not joint heirs with Israel.

Take notice to what Hebrews 11:11-16 has to say concerning the land promises:

"(11)Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised. (12) Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable. (13) These ALL DIED in faith, NOT HAVING RECEIVED THE PROMISES, but having seen them AFAR OFF, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. (14) For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. (15) And truly, if they had been MINDFUL OF THAT COUNTRY from whence they came out, THEY MIGHT HAVE HAD OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE RETURNED. (16) But NOW they desire a BETTER COUNTRY, that is, an HEAVENLY: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them A CITY."
If Dispensationalists could only grasp and discern the spiritual implications of this impressive passage in Hebrews! Paul is, without question, establishing how the land promises to literal Israel will now be fulfilled antitypically! It is now going to be fulfilled in a Heavenly Country with a Heavenly City (that’s right, NOT in the SAME exact way described in Ezekiel anymore!!!). And yes, this will meet its fulfillment when the Church is taken to heaven in the New Jerusalem for 1000 years, and will reach its acme of fulfillment in the earth made new when the New Jerusalem returns at the end of the 1000 years. The Conditional Types are now meeting their Unconditional Antitypes![/quote]I think you missed Eph 2.
 
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What refusal. It's your argument that the disciples not only stopped keeping the sabbath, but taught against it. You can't prove that. You apply scripture inappropriately. This is the very thing Peter warned would happen to people who took Paul's weighty words and used them wrongly.

Paul was in the synagogue teaching and the gentiles who were in the synagogue asked him to come back. Why do that if the sabbath was no longer in force? Why not free the Jews from this yoke by clearly proclaiming to them the word of God?

What kind of foolishness? I guess this is what happens when you think God has multiple sets of rules regarding righteousness. :doh:
The problem Stryder is you have Paul not preaching to gentiles, but believers even though you said gentiles. These Gentiles were unbelievers at the time this invitation was given.
 
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Please explain how the sabbath is a moral issue.

"Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." (1 John 3:4)

"...for whatsoever [is] not of faith is sin." (Romans 14:23;p)

"All unrighteousness is sin..." (1 John 5:17;p)

"Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth [it] not, to him it is sin." (James 4:17)


The 4th Commandment [the 7th Day Sabbath] is very Moral and fits under each definition.

For instance, take the one about Faith.

Hebrews 11 defines what Faith is:

"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." (Hebrews 11:1);

...and moving further in Hebrews 11 we see that Creation is by Faith:

"Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear." (Hebrews 11:3);

...which hearkens right back to the 4th Commandment and Genesis:

"For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it." (Exodus 20:11); and "Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them." (Genesis 2:1); "And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made." (Genesis 2:2); "And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made." (Genesis 2:3).

Let's take another one, "knowing to do good".

In the Greek, the word "good" is from "Kalos" "καλός" and it means: "morally excellent, honorable, pure and good, beautiful, delightful, better" [Strong's Concordance, Thayer's Lexicon, Vine's Expository].

JESUS said in the Gospels, "How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful [meaning: law fulfilling] to do [to act, action, works, deed] well [in the Greek: “kalōs” “καλῶς”; meaning: “morally excellent, good, pure, beautiful, delightful, honorably, well”] on [during, at that time, then] the sabbath [The (definitive, not “a”) Holy, Blessed and Sanctified 7th Day of the LORD GOD] days." (Matthew 12:12).

Taking that Greek word, meaning to honor, etc., lets look at an Old Testament passage: "If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, [from] doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking [thine own] words:" (Isaiah 58:13).

What do we notice? If we honor the Sabbath day, we Honor the LORD GOD as well. If we dishonor the Sabbath, we then dishonor the LORD GOD as well. Also notice that the Sabbath is delightful, holy, and in not doing our pleasure on that day we are then pleasing HIM. And what does further scripture say?: "And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasingin his sight." (1 John 3:22).

We already know that in not keeping any commandment, it is sin as attested to by 1 John 3:4 (above) and it should be clear to any, that the 4th Commandment is part of the Ten Commandments.

What of unrighteousness?:

"But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath," (Romans 2:8).

It is unrighteousness to not obey the TRUTH, and how does the Bible define TRUTH in one aspect?: "Thy righteousness [is] an everlasting righteousness, and thy law [is] the truth." (Psalms 119:142) and "Thou [art] near, O LORD; and all thy commandments [are] truth." (Psalms 119:151); etc...

People will sometimes generally say that, "Yes, the Commandments are Moral, except the 4th Commandment, and that it alone is not Moral, but merely ceremonial." This is an incorrect assertment. The 4th Commandment is indeed very Moral, as it specifically deals with Faith, Trust and Belief as already shown above. GOD said HE created in 6 days and rested the 7th and Hallowed it. What could be Moral than Trusting in and Taking HIM at HIS WORD, in what HE has said HE has done?

HE who Commands to Keep: “Remember, the Sabbath Day to Keep it Holy”
HE who Created in 6 Days: “For [in] six days”
HE who Grants Rest: “thou shalt not do any work”
HE who IS our Example: “and rested the seventh day”
HE who IS the I AM, The name of GOD: “the LORD” [“YHVH”]
HE who IS our Creator-Maker (Re-Creator): “made”
HE who owns All Things (by Creation and by Redemption): “Heaven and Earth, the Sea and All that in them [is]”
HE who Blesses: “blessed the Sabbath Day”
HE who Hallows and Sanctifies: “and Hallowed it”
HE who Sets us Free from the Slavery to Sin; to then Obey HIM in Love: “thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt”
HE who Saves and Redeems: “the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm”
 
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Jesus does teach us to be content with what we have and to beware of covetousness, to not worry about food and clothing, which is also what the apostles teach. Paul does teach things from the 10 Cs, he teaches them like Jesus taught them which goes beyond the 10Cs, but sabbath is never taught.
:amen:
 
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That is incorrect. They didn't live by what the apostles said. Not everyone who was Christian was ignorant of the scriptures. And who said Paul was a prophet? I don't recall him ever making that claim.

And we've been down the Col 2 road. There is a rather lengthy explanation in part 4 of this thread if I'm not mistaken.

Let's keep this real simple. Can you answer the following questions?

Is the sabbath holy?
Is the sabbath God's day?
Did God disown the sabbath day?
Did God declare the sabbath to no longer be holy?

Let's get an answer to those questions and see where we can go.
A resounding yes to all 4 of your questions.
 
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