How do we take a stand against homosexuality?

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People who claim to be "homosexuals" actively participate in that lifestyle. If they are merely attracted to someone of the same sex, but never act on that urge, they are not homosexual.

Justifying sin is pointless.

Coach
 
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erm, sorry but I"m definately a "true christian", and I don't remotely share your hierarchy of "truly important issues" ... in fact, that list precisely sums up all the things that I believe to be minor issues, when chosing a political leader that is.
I can gladly agree to disagree, but please don't be under the impression being a christian entails sharing your view of politics.
There are a million other moral issues, such as ecology, world relations, social questions ect...... that are not de facto less important than, erm, immigration, for instance.

A quick rebuttal before we agree to disagree. I believe the number one moral issue in America today is that we as a society have rejected Godly living. Our society is one that celebrates selfish desires, instant gratification, and irresponsible behavior. When we put Godly living in the closet and trade it for a life of sin, we will fall just as the kingdoms of Israel did in the Old Testament.

I believe it is imperative that we push for legislation protecting the lives of the unborn. How can we preserve freedom for all and bring Godly change to a country that allows mothers to kill their own babies in the womb? I believe the first step in bringing about this moral change is overturning Roe V. Wade. No where in our constitution does it say the right to privacy extends to giving mother's a choice in the life of their unborn child.

As far as immigration goes, I believe it is imperative to first and foremost, secure our borders. This is a matter of national security. With open borders, we invite drug trafficing gang bangers, and God knows who else. As far as rounding about all the illegals goes, we don't really have to do that. What we need to do is go after the folks employing these people. They are cheating by hiring people they know they can pay lower wages. Stiff fines and/or criminal charges need to be put in place. We need to enforce the law.

Illegals are breaking the backs of the working/middle class in this country. They drive down the wages of working class folks, exploit our healthcare/education, and send all of their money back home instead of contributing to our economy. This is not hate speech. I am not being a bigot just because they are brown. I'm all for legal immigration. As a person living in a border state, I see first hand the problems that illegal immigration brings to our country.

I'd like to get back to the moral challange now. How can a nation find moral ways to deal with the issues you brought up without first bringing God back into the public light? How can a nation do anything morally correct without looking to God for guidance? How can a nation preserve freedom for all if it doesn't recognize the One that gives us our freedom? Where do our rights come from? It's not big government. The very words of the Declaration of Independence state that,

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness."

America is at the point where our Constitution has been so liberally interpreted that a teacher cannot lead a class in prayer. I believe that when God, prayer, and Bible readings are kicked out of our schools, our younger generations and America suffer because of it. I believe this once was a country that was in fact "One nation under God", but I'm not so sure anymore. I sure as heck don't like where we are going and I feel that it is my duty to preserve the greatness that our nation was founded upon.

With respect,

Justin
 
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People who claim to be "homosexuals" actively participate in that lifestyle. If they are merely attracted to someone of the same sex, but never act on that urge, they are not homosexual.

Justifying sin is pointless.

Coach
But wouldn't that make a man who is attracted to women yet who is not having sex or never has had sex, not a heterosexual?
 
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People who claim to be "homosexuals" actively participate in that lifestyle. If they are merely attracted to someone of the same sex, but never act on that urge, they are not homosexual.

Justifying sin is pointless.

Coach
So what would I be, then? I've had fantasies about (and crushes on) both men and women, yet I'm still a virgin, and I haven't gotten sexually intimate with anyone.
 
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America is at the point where our Constitution has been so liberally interpreted that a teacher cannot lead a class in prayer. I believe that when God, prayer, and Bible readings are kicked out of our schools, our younger generations and America suffer because of it. I believe this once was a country that was in fact "One nation under God", but I'm not so sure anymore. I sure as heck don't like where we are going and I feel that it is my duty to preserve the greatness that our nation was founded upon.

With respect,

Justin

I understand where you are coming from, although I couldn't disagree more with your assessment. What bothers me as that you equate your analysis to "being a true christian", and feel upset you'd consider me less of a christian for having a different political analysis. It's all to your credit to want be interested in how politics at your age - I'm not *that* much older than you but studying history, law, travelling, watching the news being braodcast from different countries are all things that have helped me forge my opinions over time - I'm sure they'll change again.

So at no point will I believe "I'm right", or "my views correspond with what christians should believe". I really encourage to consider things from a slightly more global perspective.
I'm not american, but I disagree with the ideal of a christian nation on earth - to me it's utopia and not even a biblical concept. So obviously, with that starting point, my personal view is going to differ from yours greatly.

I'm not a hyper liberal fringe christian somewhere, I'm a missionary ^_^ Christians around the world have extremely different political ideas, and that's fine. It all depends on the justice/mercy balance - in places where the local version of christianity places a high importance on justice, christians are often to the right, in other places where mercy is more emphasized christians are in majority to the left. Local secular cultural and historical influences play a great role in determining that emphasis in all parts of the world.
I don't think either group is "closer to true christianity".

ETA: I just saw you'd agreed to disagree, duh me. Sorry. *shakes hands and disappears from the thread*
 
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The point of this thread is that God warns us what happens when this occurs. His word implies that it is a very dire sin. (Read Romans if you don't know what I'm referring to.)

We have history warning us also. Look at ancient Rome.

PLEASE don't respond unless you are familiar with the passage in Romans. (Thank you.)
 
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He also spoke much about who would and wouldn't inherit the kingdom. He demands righteousness as well as love. If you have a biblical look at it, chances are you'll assume that homosexual sex is condemned. Sorry.

Since we've been asked not to debate in this thread I won't. But if I was going to, I'd point out that Jesus requirements for righteousness were a lot less than the religious authorities of his day.

Jesus probably wasn't an alcoholic, but he went to alcoholic parties to hang out with the people there. Yes, Zacheus and Levi changed, but there were others who weren't. He didn't stand in the street condemning them. He wasn't a violent revolutionary, but he had them as disciples. He didn't work for the gentile, pagan, Roman army, but he did heal servants belonging to its officers, because they asked. He didn't say "Hey, stop invading our country first."

Jesus didn't stop and do a moral reality check on those who came and asked to be healed. In Mark, he forgives a man who comes and asks for physical healing, who didn't even ask for forgiveness!

On the cross, he asks for people's forgiveness who dont even know what they are doing is wrong.

Those who would inherit the kingdom were consistently the weak, the poor, the fragile, the falible, the sinful, the humble, the scared, the forgotten, the hungry.

If I were going to debate, I'd point out that I've actually read the bible, have tertiary degrees in reading the bible, and quite possibly may have had a biblical look at homosexuality in the past.

If I was pointing that out, I might also suggest that righteousness in the bible is a state of being before God,
that our righteousness comes through Christ, and not through our own actions, and that issues of sexuality, providing they are not exploitative, dishonest to one's partner, and are mutually, lovingly expressed really has little to do with righteousness.

But since I'm not debating, out of respect for the original posters wishes, I won't mention any of that and say "apology accepted, I forgive you", although I'm not really sure what you are repenting of??
 
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This thread is not intended for a debate about whether homosexuality is wrong. (Please don't start a debate on this).

The Bible clearly states that homosexuality is a sin, along with other (more accepted) sins like drunkenness, murder, lying, stealing, sexual immorality, etc.

I believe in the principal, "Love the sinner but hate the sin." I will be the first to say that we should show compassion to these people.

But how do we take a stand against the practice? How do we overcome the fear of being called "homophobic" or being shunned by modern society, which is slowly becoming more and more accepting of this practice. How do we take a stand and not risk losing our jobs due to so-called "discrimation" or "hate."

Or should we risk losing our jobs?
Do you truely believe that homosexuality is on par with murder or theft. What you have wrote here is that murder is a "other (more accepted) sin". Seriously. I am a gay man and I can tell you that when I feel love, it certainly doesn't feel like I'm murdering/stealing.

You say that "we should show compassion to these people". I don't think people realise how demeaning this is. I'm not impaired or in pain, I'm just as much a member of your species.
 
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"There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead"

Deut. 18:10-11, emphasis mine.
 
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I don't like to speak up in front of them and offend them. I think the best thing to do is just to be kind to them and let Jesus' light and love shine through us. We can be praying for their salvation.

^ This.

Remember how Jesus handled the lady at the well?

He convicted her of her sin by asking: Where is thy husband?

He did it in love and by loving others as Christ loved all of us, then it may lead to some homosexuals becoming saved and repenting of their sin.
 
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"There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead"

Deut. 18:10-11, emphasis mine.

...necromancy? How did that come up?
 
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