Trayvon Martin

Lovely Lane said:

guess the bunker didn't work?

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Blackwater Babe said:

I think this is what they call "Mary Sue fan fiction"?

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Blackwater Babe said:

Still say the problem here is the weird American idea that red misting some dude in the living room is preferable to spending $100 on decent locks.

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SWoolf78 said:

George Zimmerman should have never confronted Trayvon Martin. He should have never left his vehicle.

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Lovely Lane said:

And again I ask, show me where in report it supports your statement of More Guns = Less Crime?

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katherine2001 said:

Especially since in this case the one carrying the gun was a convicted criminal with a history of violence (he had been convicted of domestic abuse and punched out an undercover police officer who was investigating underage drinking). Why would a convicted criminal be licensed to carry a gun. The last thing that a person with a serious problem with anger and violence needs is a gun. With this gun, this criminal went from beating people up to killing a person with a gun

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I didn't know about Zimmerman's criminal record. I too wonder how he was able to get a permit & gun.

All we have is a convicted criminal's word as to what happened (and he probably doesn't want to spend anymore time in jail), the other person is dead. It is not the police department's job to make the decision as to whether there is enough evidence to convict him. That is the Prosecutor's job to decide, and they were never given the chance. It is entirely possible that Martin was the one who got cornered and "stood his ground" because he had no other choice. Because it wasn't investigated properly, we may never know what really happened. Any death like that should mean an arrest and a trial. Let the court system decide, not the police, especially when one person's father is a judge.

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True, I agree it wasn't investigated as it should had been. The more I read reports from Florida newspapers telling of how one can kill another using this SYG law, it is just maddening.

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Blackwater Babe said:

Still say the problem here is the weird American idea that red misting some dude in the living room is preferable to spending $100 on decent locks.

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Incariol said:

Its the right wing's culture of glorification of violence: nothing cool about being smart and safe, but killing someone makes you feel powerful and you'll have some manly story or something.

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katherine2001 said:

He should have done what he was instructed to do by the police dispatcher who told him to not follow Martin and waited for the police to get there. Why would he have been needed to find the nearest cross street? Anymore, it is usually easy for the police to know exactly where you are.

To me, it is rather ironic that a convicted criminal (Zimmerman) said in his call to the police dispatcher that "they" always get away. This was coming from someone convicted of domestic abuse and attacking a police officer. It seems to me that he has a real anger problem which turns to violence. How in the world did he have a license to carry a gun with his criminal record (probably he wouldn't have had his dad not been a judge)? What criminal record did Martin have? People who live in the Sanford area better hope they don't do anything to make Zimmerman angry (and they probably wouldn't even know that they had made him angry) because he may kill them too and argue that they made him feel "threatened" too.

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TheChristianSurvivalGuide said:

Maybe, but neither a gun, nor locks, nor a common security system offer you total security.

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TheChristianSurvivalGuide said:

Ma'am, your information regarding Zimmerman is not factual. Zimmerman was never convicted of any crime. He had a pre-trial diversion stemming from an assault on LEO charge in 2005 - he was not convicted. He also had an injunction for protection due to DV several years later - he was not convicted of DV.

Therefore, George Zimmerman is not a convicted criminal.

The dispatcher issue is not relevant and has been articulated many times. A dispatcher in Florida is not a Law Enforcement Officer. Even if she had definitively stated to "Stop" or "Don't" follow/pursue the subject (Martin) it would not have been a lawful command of a Law Enforcement Officer. Thus, he would have no duty to comply with the command.

Aside from that, the dispatcher said "We don't need you to do that" which is not a definitive statement.

We do not know all of the facts yet and to speculate guilt or innocence beyond stating that we are innocent until proven guilty thus at this time, Zimmerman is innocent would be improper.

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Zaac said:

Okay, I just saw the tape of Zimmerman being brought into the police station. They brought him into the police station in handcuffs. He walked down the halls in handcuffs. Why was he in handcuffs if he had not been arrested? Did they arrest him and then un-arrest him?

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katherine2001 said:

And yet Jesus did the very opposite--He must have been some kind of wimp telling us that we are to love our enemies rather than living by the "eye for an eye" principle taught in the OT and saying to Peter when Peter tried to defend Him when Christ was arrested that those who live by the sword shall die by the sword (I imagine He would say those who live by a gun shall die by a gun now). Jesus should have gone around with weapons strapped all over His body and praised Peter when Peter cut off the ear of one of those who came to arrest Him.

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Some Christians will vocally declare that we must reject MMA. Sometimes it’s because they simply do not understand the nature of the sport and misperceive it, and other times it’s because they are pacifists theologically who don’t condone violence in any form. Their picture of Jesus is basically a guy in a dress with fabulous long hair, drinking decaf and in touch with his feelings, who would never hurt anyone. The problem is that Jesus probably had short hair (1 Corinthians 11 says it was a disgrace in that day for a man to have long hair), was in good shape from a labor job and lots of walking across rugged terrain, and upon his return will come again not in humility but rather in glory. Revelation 19:11–18 explains that day saying,

Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself. He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses. From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.

Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and with a loud voice he called to all the birds that fly directly overhead, “Come, gather for the great supper of God, to eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all men, both free and slave, both small and great.”

Simply, on his first trip to the earth Jesus took a beating to atone for sin; on his next trip he will hand them out to unrepentant sinners instead.

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Faith.Man said:

NBC News Accused of Editing 911 Call in Trayvon Martin Controversy (Video) - The Hollywood Reporter

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WinBySurrender said:

Dan Rather got fired for similar behavior. Oh, sorry ... he didn't get "fired" ... he was "unhired" two years early.

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