I see homophobia is in the news again

revrobor said:

They have nothing to do with discrimination.

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Uh,yeah they do!

Read Matthew 15:21-28

The woman was called a dog,she was not an Israelite.

Read Matthew 7:6 with Matthew 15.

Discrimination.

Incariol said:

That's nice. You did notice that the verse ends without including anything like "And discriminate against the aforementioned and make sure they are second-class citizens in whatever nation you live in," right?

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I don't advocate discrimination against any of the mentioned. Please stop the false accusations.

dollarsbill said:

I don't advocate discrimination against any of the mentioned. Please stop the false accusations.

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I didn't say you were advocating anything. Kind of a weird slip there for you.

TheChristianSurvivalGuide said:

When did Christ ever give the commandment to "discriminate" or morally judge another person?

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Umm... have you ever opened up a Bible before? Virtually everything in it is about certain behaviors being acceptable and other behaviors being unacceptable.

TheChristianSurvivalGuide said:

I'm pretty sure he said something about love and effecting change through understanding, dialogue, and more love. Discrimination and persecution sure seems contrary to that idea.

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Yes, he talks about love, but part of love is protecting innocent people from the corruption of the behavior of others. For example, sexual immorality has resulting in more than 70% of all Blacks being born into single parent homes. Should the suffering of innocent children be ignored?

Also, lol @ you trying to sneak in the word persecution.

Verticordious said:

Yes, he talks about love, but part of love is protecting innocent people from the corruption of the behavior of others. For example, sexual immorality has resulting in more than 70% of all Blacks being born into single parent homes. Should the suffering of innocent children be ignored?

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No, of course not, and that is why I don't vote for the Republican candidates in my local elections who seem to have made gutting social services their personal crusade.

Quite often threads about homosexuality come with false charges of 'gay bashing'.

dollarsbill said:

Quite often threads about homosexuality come with false charges of 'gay bashing'.

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And quite often not so false.

Incariol said:

And quite often not so false.

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Speaking out against the sin of homosexuality is highly frowned upon by homosexual defenders. And thus comes 'Christian bashing'. Just another sign of the last days.

Verticordious said:

Umm... have you ever opened up a Bible before? Virtually everything in it is about certain behaviors being acceptable and other behaviors being unacceptable.

Yes, he talks about love, but part of love is protecting innocent people from the corruption of the behavior of others. For example, sexual immorality has resulting in more than 70% of all Blacks being born into single parent homes. Should the suffering of innocent children be ignored?

Also, lol @ you trying to sneak in the word persecution.

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You don't get the point.

Again, we can and should be intolerant of sin, but we cannot be intolerant of the sinner.

If a child is acting unruly in a store you scold them, if the keep on you might take them outside and scold them/discipline them. You may even make an attempt to educate them on why they should behave.

What you do not do is say to the child, "until you can learn to behave perfectly, you are no longer my child and may not come near me."

dollarsbill said:

Speaking out against the sin of homosexuality is highly frowned upon by homosexual defenders. And thus comes 'Christian bashing'. Just another sign of the last days.

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I haven't noticed anyone saying here that the homosexual act isn't a sin.

wayseer said:

Apart from the imposed silence by certain sections of this board on talking about homosexuality, the Roman Catholic Church in Australia is trying to get its members to oppose a forthcoming same sex marriage bill in the state of Victoria while in Petersburg a law has been passed that serves to discriminate against homosexuality.

Add to this the appalling treatment handed out to homosexuals in Islamic countries and the ravings of the Christian fundamentalists I can under why no one wants anything to do with religion.

Perhaps we should outlaw religion.

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Welcome to the main reason I'm starting to hate religion.

Verticordious said:

Homosexuality should be discriminated against, just like other forms of sexual immorality, murder, theft, racism, laziness, etc. Glad to hear the RCC isn't bowing down to liberalism.

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Seeing as the RCC protects child molesting heterosexuals, they really have no business judging the speck in another's eye.

Lovely Lane said:

We in the States have Discrimination laws but not to much law supporting Gay marriage. Like one, two maybe three States allow Gay marriage, the majority do not. And too here, the RCC and others are active in opposing pro Gay marriage law.

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8 States have same-sex marriage now, and the majority of Catholics support gay rights and don't consider it a sin. Anti-gay sentiment in the US is centered around ignorant, Bible belt Fundamentalists and Evangelicals.

revrobor said:

He didn't. But the Bible has plenty to say about what God thinks of homosexuality: 1Cor 6: 9,10; Rom 1: 26,27; 1Tim 1: 10; Lev 18: 22, 29, 30.

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It would be delightful if you had any understanding whatsoever of those verses. A shame really that people still present patently false information to demonize people they don't like.

straydog said:

Fornicators are folks who intermix?

Find that hard to believe?

Hebrews 12:16:Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.

Esau married Canaanite wives.

This is intermarriage, fornication.

Early America had laws against miscegenation.

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Fortunately what "Early America" did has no bearing on Christian morality. I don't take my ethics from 18th and 19th century white people who believed it was right to own other people and commit genocide across an entire continent. I get my ethics from Jesus of Nazareth.

Also, I'm Irish, German and Danish, am I therefore an abomination?

Also, of the race-mixing of my ancestors, Germanic peoples move in and intermarried with the native Celts who were spread around Europe prior to the Germanic migrations, does that make my German heritage itself an abomination?

Considering that every people group in existence is the product of genetic intermingling through migration pattens of human populations throughout thousands of years of history, how is one to remain racially pure enough?

Is it therefore safer if I marry one of my cousins (I don't have any sisters, so if I am to keep it as genetically non-diverse as possible, I have to go with a first or second cousin here), or am I risking being a fornicator because my cousins contain genetics from outside groups? One of my aunts was of Polish and Jewish descent, that means I have mixed cousins that aren't from within my "tribe".

I don't know, maybe to be safe we should all just avoid reproducing altogether. That would definitely ensure that we don't accidentally cause any more of that nasty genetic diversity that you're so terrified of.

-CryptoLutheran

dollarsbill said:

The Bible gives a VERY dim view of homosexuals. Notice the crowd included with homosexuals.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NASB)
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

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Earth to dollarsbill. Homosexuality does not exist in that verse in the original scripture. It wasn't added until 1958 when Conservative Bible publishers changed it to attack the rise of the gay rights movement.

Amazing that the people who cling to Biblical worship the most, haven't the foggiest understanding of what it means.

straydog said:

Deuteronomy 23:17:There shall be no harlot of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.

1 Kings 14:24:And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.

1 Kings 15:12:And he took away the sodomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.

1 Kings 22:46:And the remnant of the sodomites, which remained in the days of his father Asa, he took out of the land.

2 Kings 23:7:And he brake down the houses of the sodomites, that were by the house of the LORD, where the women wove hangings for the grove.


There were once laws against homosexuality(Sodomy) in early America.

It Just shows how the world has fallen away from Christianity....

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A sodomite is a male temple prostitute in the Land of Caanan, not a gay person. The original word that the KJV translated as Sodomite is the Hebrew Qadesh. Has absolutely nothing to do with gays.

Read Deuteronomy 23

Incariol said:

Yes, social progression, praise Jesus!

And if some people think that is falling away from Christ, well, I can live with that.

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Seriously. If these are the people that represent Christ, count me out.

dollarsbill said:

Quite often threads about homosexuality come with false charges of 'gay bashing'.

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Citing out of context, corrupted Bible verses that you have no understanding of to demonize people you know nothing about = gay bashing.