What Commandment did God say to; "Remember", that the world wants to forget? (4)

listed · Mar 24, 2012

tzadik said:
Are you serious? Can we atleast argue honestly here? You just told me that if you claim to keep Gods Commandments you cant sin anymore, or break any of them.
So my question to you was, if this was true, was Paul lying when he said that He keeps the Law? Was Luke lying in talking about Johns parents Keeping the Law, and did David not commit another sin in his life when he was keeping, delighting and loving Gods Law?
To think that keeping Gods commandments = keeping every single commandment for the rest of your life without failing in one is actually blasphemous. Because as you say there is no one perfect, but Messiah.
So what DOES it mean to keep Gods commandments? It means living a life of obedience to Gods Word. Does that mean well perfectly obey every command? No.

But its line upon line, precept upon precept. God and His Spirit will guide you, assist you and lead you in His Truth.
When you fall, He provides provisions for you to rectify your mistake, your missing of the Mark, and re-establish your relationship with God.

He is the one that gives you grace, strength and the desire to like Paul joyfully concur with the Law of God, confessing that its good for instruction, correction, and training in righteousness.
It is not out of obligation, but out of love, trust and faith in my God that I strive everyday to live a life of obedience to His will! What I don't understand, I pray and ask and search out until I do understand. But that is the renewed joy that I have everyday, knowing that it is a brand new day where I can walk on that narrow path, striving to do the will of my Heavenly Father.

The righteousness that God requires can't be attained by keeping the law.

All I'm concerned with is the requirement of God. It obviously has nothing to do with sin in either its acquisitiion or retention. Neither does the law.

listed · Mar 24, 2012

Lysimachus said:
Just be sure that the reason your emotions want to flare up are not because the data I presented provides some compelling evidence that fly straight in the face of your interpretations of scripture.

I know some people who have read their Bible 5 times through, from beginning to end, and they still know nothing about the Bible. It's not reading it that gets you anywhere, it's what spirit you're in when you read it, and how you read it. I can safely say that I know a lot more Bible than a number of people who have read it all the way through from beginning to end. Not even my father has ever read the Bible through from beginning to end, and he can quote scripture and refute people who have read it several times. Also, these people that I know who have read their Bible through from beginning to end, they are living a party life, they come up with very secular arguments, they brag about how much Bible they've read, but they can never produce a scripture from memory in its defense, nor are they living up to what the Bible even says.

You will gain a lot more knowledge if you meditate for weeks in just one passage from scripture than if you just read the Bible straight through from beginning to end just to get the job done and brag about it.

Seventh-Day Adventism does not teach British Israelism. British Israelism teaches that the people of Western European descent, particularly those in Great Britain, are the direct lineal descendants of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel. Adventism does not teach this. We believe just what the Bible says in Galatians 3:28,29; 4:22-31; Ephesians 2:11-21; 3:3-6; 1 Corinthians 12:13; Romans 9:6-8 and a host of other texts, that God's Israel consists of all people who love God and accept Christ Jesus as their Master, Saviour, and King, have faith in Jesus, and KEEP His commandments! All those who are IN CHRIST are part of the Israel of God. British Israelism is still based on the flesh--based on physical lineage--and this cannot be proven. Adventists believe that even an Indian or Chinese or African that gives his life to Christ, He is a Jew of the spirit, and not of the flesh--regardless of what their blood lineage is. British Israelism is still dependent on blood lineage.

We do not teach this. Please get your facts straight.

And lastly, Adventism also does not teach "Replacement Theology". Replacement Theology teaches that the Church "replaces" Israel.

No. The Church does not "replace" Israel. Israel is GIVEN to new Husbandmen, the Church. Israel has always been a "spiritual" concept. The Jewish Nation (the theocracy) has been replaced, not Israel. The Jewish Nation was the OLD husbandman for the House of Israel. The Church is the NEW husbandman for the House of Israel. Israel is the Vineyard, and the husbandmen are the Vinedressers. Scriptures teach that the Vineyard (Israel) would be let out to NEW vinedressers (or husbandmen).

I wrote an article about a year ago on this very subject:

The Israel of God and the False Charge of "Replacement Theology"

Read this article if you want to know the truth about what we believe on this matter.

We as Adventists do not believe in splitting up God's people in two camps like you do. God recognizes His people as ONE organic unit.

You believe in TWO trees, but according to Romans 11, there is only ONE tree!

You shouldn't be insulted by the quote, as the quote used the Bible to back up its claims. Hosea 2:11 never said "the Sabbath" would cease. It said "her Sabbaths", not the "Sabbath of the Lord" (Exodus 20:10; 23:3; Deut 5:14; Levit 23:38) which is the same one God declares as "My Holy Day" (Isa 58:13); and the Son of Man is "Lord also of the Sabbath" (Mark 2:27). The sabbaths in discussion here have to do with Israel's special annual sabbaths, not the Weekly Sabbath of the Ten Commandments. Have you even read Ron du Preez' work, "Judging the Sabbath: What Can't Be Found in Colossians 2:16"? The very fact that Colossians 2:16 is being quoted from Hosea 2:11 is PROOF that it is not the weekly Sabbath, yet you are using Hosea 2:11 to prove the very point that the verse itself disproves your argument? The irony!

Also, what does Hebrews 7:12 have anything to do with the change in the Sabbath? The context is clear--when reading verses 9-16, it is unequivocaly, and unapologetically clear that the change in the law has to do with the fact the priesthood can only be handed down to the sons of Aaron. You should know this, and you should see that there is nothing to argue here.

A new covenant means just a new covenant. But why? Because they BROKE it. Read the context! lol If it is a broken covenant, it has to be RESTORED. When it is restored, it is BRAND NEW. But the contract to keep God's laws does NOT change. The agreement is STRONGER. Now the law has to be kept from the HEART--that is, if we let Jesus write the law in your heart by the Spirit!

No, they are not false prophets because none of them say that the Law of God changes like you are manipulating and construing their words to say. You are reading these text with skewed lenses, and you need a new pair of glasses before you can finally see what we are trying to help you see. A covenant is an "agreement", a "pact", a "contract", a "marriage vow", a "promise" between two parties concerning the words written IN a law! The LAW does not change, but the AGREEMENT does! This time the promise is for God to work in and through the hearts of believers, to enable them and empower them through the Holy Spirit to be obedient to His commandments.

All the earthly shadowy laws of ceremonial rites and services have been abolished, but now they meet their reality in Christ's Priesthood in heaven, and all find their reality antitypically in the New Covenant promise. But the Ten Commandments are NOT a shadow! Not killing is forever. Not worshiping other gods is FOREVER. Not committing adultery is FOREVER. Not stealing is FOREVER. Not dishonoring your parents is FOREVER. Not coveting is FOREVER. Not taking God's name in vain is FOREVER. Likewise, consistency demands that God's 4th commandment Sabbath is likewise FOREVER!

Mhmm... as you say listed. You do realize that you violate Isaiah 28:9-13 everytime you employ your spurious arguments to attack God's Holy Law? If you really understood the principle of "precept upon precept, line upon line, here a little there a little", you in no wise would be coming to the conclusions that you do. For example, when you conclude that the phrase "a change also of the law" in Hebrews 7:12 must be referring to a change in the Sabbath, without referencing ANY other texts to draw history in understanding what the author of Hebrews is saying, can you honestly say you are employing the principles of Isaiah 28:9-13? I don't think so!

There is nothing off about it. When you to conclude that the expression "a change also of the law" in Hebrews 7:12 has to do with the Sabbath, and not to do with a change in the law of inheritance of the priesthood, you create a monstrosity of multifarious layers of self-contradictions within the Holy Writ! The change of the law has to do with the "change of priesthood", not with the Moral Law of Ten Commandments!

Or would you rather injure the testimony of the scriptures by concluding that Hebrews 7:12 contradicts the following verses in Malachi 3:6 where the Lord says "I change not", and Psalms 89:34 where God says He will not break His covenant nor alter anything that is gone out of his lips, or Matthew 5:17-19 where till heaven and earth pass not ONE jot or tittle shall pass from the law till all is accomplished?

Do you care about this listed?

I do not think you care one bit!

I don't know about you, but I choose to believe in a Bible that does not contradict itself. If I were to believe like you, and if I was honest with myself, I would be FORCED to conclude that the Bible is FULL of contradictions--and this is PRECISELY what the atheists love!

This is EXACTLY why I have chosen to be an Adventist in my heart, because it is the only religion that has made the Bible make sense for me. Otherwise, if it wasn't for Christianity from an Adventist perspective, I would be out in the world. Adventism is what compels me to be a Christian.

Since you mentioned it, please don't worry. I was howling with fits of laughter until the insult set in. Then I had to deal with my righteous indignation.

listed · Mar 24, 2012

Lysimachus said:
Just be sure that the reason your emotions want to flare up are not because the data I presented provides some compelling evidence that fly straight in the face of your interpretations of scripture.

I know some people who have read their Bible 5 times through, from beginning to end, and they still know nothing about the Bible. It's not reading it that gets you anywhere, it's what spirit you're in when you read it, and how you read it. I can safely say that I know a lot more Bible than a number of people who have read it all the way through from beginning to end. Not even my father has ever read the Bible through from beginning to end, and he can quote scripture and refute people who have read it several times. Also, these people that I know who have read their Bible through from beginning to end, they are living a party life, they come up with very secular arguments, they brag about how much Bible they've read, but they can never produce a scripture from memory in its defense, nor are they living up to what the Bible even says.

You will gain a lot more knowledge if you meditate for weeks in just one passage from scripture than if you just read the Bible straight through from beginning to end just to get the job done and brag about it.

Seventh-Day Adventism does not teach British Israelism. British Israelism teaches that the people of Western European descent, particularly those in Great Britain, are the direct lineal descendants of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel. Adventism does not teach this. We believe just what the Bible says in Galatians 3:28,29; 4:22-31; Ephesians 2:11-21; 3:3-6; 1 Corinthians 12:13; Romans 9:6-8 and a host of other texts, that God's Israel consists of all people who love God and accept Christ Jesus as their Master, Saviour, and King, have faith in Jesus, and KEEP His commandments! All those who are IN CHRIST are part of the Israel of God. British Israelism is still based on the flesh--based on physical lineage--and this cannot be proven. Adventists believe that even an Indian or Chinese or African that gives his life to Christ, He is a Jew of the spirit, and not of the flesh--regardless of what their blood lineage is. British Israelism is still dependent on blood lineage.

We do not teach this. Please get your facts straight.

And lastly, Adventism also does not teach "Replacement Theology". Replacement Theology teaches that the Church "replaces" Israel.

No. The Church does not "replace" Israel. Israel is GIVEN to new Husbandmen, the Church. Israel has always been a "spiritual" concept. The Jewish Nation (the theocracy) has been replaced, not Israel. The Jewish Nation was the OLD husbandman for the House of Israel. The Church is the NEW husbandman for the House of Israel. Israel is the Vineyard, and the husbandmen are the Vinedressers. Scriptures teach that the Vineyard (Israel) would be let out to NEW vinedressers (or husbandmen).

I wrote an article about a year ago on this very subject:

The Israel of God and the False Charge of "Replacement Theology"

Read this article if you want to know the truth about what we believe on this matter.

We as Adventists do not believe in splitting up God's people in two camps like you do. God recognizes His people as ONE organic unit.

You believe in TWO trees, but according to Romans 11, there is only ONE tree!

You shouldn't be insulted by the quote, as the quote used the Bible to back up its claims. Hosea 2:11 never said "the Sabbath" would cease. It said "her Sabbaths", not the "Sabbath of the Lord" (Exodus 20:10; 23:3; Deut 5:14; Levit 23:38) which is the same one God declares as "My Holy Day" (Isa 58:13); and the Son of Man is "Lord also of the Sabbath" (Mark 2:27). The sabbaths in discussion here have to do with Israel's special annual sabbaths, not the Weekly Sabbath of the Ten Commandments. Have you even read Ron du Preez' work, "Judging the Sabbath: What Can't Be Found in Colossians 2:16"? The very fact that Colossians 2:16 is being quoted from Hosea 2:11 is PROOF that it is not the weekly Sabbath, yet you are using Hosea 2:11 to prove the very point that the verse itself disproves your argument? The irony!

Also, what does Hebrews 7:12 have anything to do with the change in the Sabbath? The context is clear--when reading verses 9-16, it is unequivocaly, and unapologetically clear that the change in the law has to do with the fact the priesthood can only be handed down to the sons of Aaron. You should know this, and you should see that there is nothing to argue here.

A new covenant means just a new covenant. But why? Because they BROKE it. Read the context! lol If it is a broken covenant, it has to be RESTORED. When it is restored, it is BRAND NEW. But the contract to keep God's laws does NOT change. The agreement is STRONGER. Now the law has to be kept from the HEART--that is, if we let Jesus write the law in your heart by the Spirit!

No, they are not false prophets because none of them say that the Law of God changes like you are manipulating and construing their words to say. You are reading these text with skewed lenses, and you need a new pair of glasses before you can finally see what we are trying to help you see. A covenant is an "agreement", a "pact", a "contract", a "marriage vow", a "promise" between two parties concerning the words written IN a law! The LAW does not change, but the AGREEMENT does! This time the promise is for God to work in and through the hearts of believers, to enable them and empower them through the Holy Spirit to be obedient to His commandments.

All the earthly shadowy laws of ceremonial rites and services have been abolished, but now they meet their reality in Christ's Priesthood in heaven, and all find their reality antitypically in the New Covenant promise. But the Ten Commandments are NOT a shadow! Not killing is forever. Not worshiping other gods is FOREVER. Not committing adultery is FOREVER. Not stealing is FOREVER. Not dishonoring your parents is FOREVER. Not coveting is FOREVER. Not taking God's name in vain is FOREVER. Likewise, consistency demands that God's 4th commandment Sabbath is likewise FOREVER!

Mhmm... as you say listed. You do realize that you violate Isaiah 28:9-13 everytime you employ your spurious arguments to attack God's Holy Law? If you really understood the principle of "precept upon precept, line upon line, here a little there a little", you in no wise would be coming to the conclusions that you do. For example, when you conclude that the phrase "a change also of the law" in Hebrews 7:12 must be referring to a change in the Sabbath, without referencing ANY other texts to draw history in understanding what the author of Hebrews is saying, can you honestly say you are employing the principles of Isaiah 28:9-13? I don't think so!

There is nothing off about it. When you to conclude that the expression "a change also of the law" in Hebrews 7:12 has to do with the Sabbath, and not to do with a change in the law of inheritance of the priesthood, you create a monstrosity of multifarious layers of self-contradictions within the Holy Writ! The change of the law has to do with the "change of priesthood", not with the Moral Law of Ten Commandments!

Or would you rather injure the testimony of the scriptures by concluding that Hebrews 7:12 contradicts the following verses in Malachi 3:6 where the Lord says "I change not", and Psalms 89:34 where God says He will not break His covenant nor alter anything that is gone out of his lips, or Matthew 5:17-19 where till heaven and earth pass not ONE jot or tittle shall pass from the law till all is accomplished?

Do you care about this listed?

I do not think you care one bit!

I don't know about you, but I choose to believe in a Bible that does not contradict itself. If I were to believe like you, and if I was honest with myself, I would be FORCED to conclude that the Bible is FULL of contradictions--and this is PRECISELY what the atheists love!

This is EXACTLY why I have chosen to be an Adventist in my heart, because it is the only religion that has made the Bible make sense for me. Otherwise, if it wasn't for Christianity from an Adventist perspective, I would be out in the world. Adventism is what compels me to be a Christian.

What ever you say dude. Just doesn't make it so. If I take the time to refute you it simplly will be denied as a lie. Remember De Nyle? I don't even have to stope and think to refute this balonga. I'm just debating in my mind if it is worth it. We go round and round on a merry go round because of the SDA attitude and code. You're told by EGW to listien to nobody outside your church. Good boy.

listed · Mar 24, 2012

Revelation 14:6-12 said:
...continued...

Therefore, we conclude with Paul, that:

"Israel after the flesh" [1 Corinthians 10:18] failed to obtain... for the covenant that they had made with God ["...All that the LORD hath spoken we will do..." [Exodus 19:8; 24:3,7;p]], was "weak through the flesh" [Romans 8:3;p], and God "finding fault with them" [the peoples, "Israel after the flesh", then failed to attain unto the promises [Romans 11:7], because of unbelief and sin and they "continued not" in the Covenant of God; Hebrews 8:8-9] and so their "house" was "left unto" them "desolate" [Matthew 23:38; Luke 13:35] for Jesus Christ was a "...a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel..." [Israel 8:14;p].

When Paul says that "And so all Israel shall be saved..." [Romans 11:26;p], he is speaking of the "whosoever" that is "in Christ Jesus", and for those who are "Israel after the flesh", Paul says, "might be saved" [Romans 10:1] if they too also choose to believe on/in Christ Jesus [Acts 15:11; Romans 3:22; Galatians 3:22; 1 Timothy 1:16, etc], for the Jews then who believed in the Lord Jesus Christ continued in the Grace of God and were still remaining in the Olive Tree, a "remnant" [Romans 9:27, 11:5; Isaiah 10:22], but they which believed not on the Lord Jesus Christ, were cut off [Romans 11:1-36].

"Israel after the flesh" however can still be grafted back into the True Stock if they will now yet believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. He is the only Way [John 14:6].

And so, as we see in Romans 9, the 'gentiles' must partake of the covenant in Christ Jesus:

As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved. Romans 9:25

And it shall come to pass, [that] in the place where it was said unto them, Ye [are] not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God. Romans 9:26

Which was given here:

Then said [God], Call his name Loammi: for ye [are] not my people, and I will not be your [God]. Hosea 1:9

Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, [that] in the place where it was said unto them, Ye [are] not my people, [there] it shall be said unto them, [Ye are] the sons of the living God. Hosea 1:10

Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great [shall be] the day of Jezreel. Hosea 1:11

Notice carefully, please:

Jews were to believe: And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, Lord, thou [art] God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is: Acts 4:24

Gentiles were to believe: And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein: Acts 14:15

Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways. Acts 14:16

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Acts 17:30

They too are to take hold of Him, and Keep His Sabbath:

For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. Exodus 20:11

Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; Isaiah 56:6

Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices [shall be] accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people. Isaiah 56:7

The Lord GOD which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather [others] to him, beside those that are gathered unto him. Isaiah 56:8

See the context of Isaiah 56, it is in the context of the New Covenant, and in Christ Jesus:

Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation [is] near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed. Isaiah 56:1

...ended for now...

Are you sure. Just how many post should I take to respond? I don't think you have the ability to commuicate or understand what was said.

For instance is Jesus really Jacob (Isreal)? No. Were both caled out of Egypt? Yes.

TruthWave7 · Mar 25, 2012

listed said:
What ever you say dude. Just doesn't make it so. If I take the time to refute you it simplly will be denied as a lie. Remember De Nyle? I don't even have to stope and think to refute this balonga. I'm just debating in my mind if it is worth it. We go round and round on a merry go round because of the SDA attitude and code. You're told by EGW to listien to nobody outside your church. Good boy.

Lysimcahus, totally exploded your premise, and he didn't quote one word of EGW in doing so! Why don't you quote what your Pastor has to say on this subject, and then we will proceed to take him apart, by simply quoting the plain texts of Scripture! It is you who rarely quotes any Scripture basis for your position, and when you do, they just don't "hold water"!

Revelation 14:6-12 · Mar 26, 2012

listed said:
OK so you can keep your code and OT law demands if you like, Fine by me. Just don't try and push the um ... er well stuff off on others, OK.

Just as Cain, which refused the will of the Lord, went unto Abel, and killed Him, so likewise it shall be those in the end, who refuse the commandments of God that shall persecute and kill those who keep the commandments of God [Revelation 12:17, 14:12]. It shall be those of this country [USA] who have refused the commandments of God, that shall be the ones to enforce their religious laws upon the consciences of others and those who desire to keep the commandments of God [see Daniel 3 and 6].

...it was done before, it shall be again.

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Revelation 13:8

And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. Revelation 13:12

And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. Revelation 13:15

...see also Revelation 14.

Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. John 15:20

"...yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service" John 16:2;p

Stryder06 · Mar 26, 2012

Hebrew Vision News: Catholic Church and Trade Unions Form ‘Holy Alliance’ to Enforce Sunday Observance & The Battle For Sunday

listed · Mar 26, 2012

TruthWave7 said:
Lysimcahus, totally exploded your premise, and he didn't quote one word of EGW in doing so! Why don't you quote what your Pastor has to say on this subject, and then we will proceed to take him apart, by simply quoting the plain texts of Scripture! It is you who rarely quotes any Scripture basis for your position, and when you do, they just don't "hold water"!

You're so entwined in EGW that you don't recognize her when presented. One doesn't have to quote her to convey her doctrines.

listed · Mar 26, 2012

Revelation 14:6-12 said:
Just as Cain, which refused the will of the Lord, went unto Abel, and killed Him, so likewise it shall be those in the end, who refuse the commandments of God that shall persecute and kill those who keep the commandments of God [Revelation 12:17, 14:12]. It shall be those of this country [USA] who have refused the commandments of God, that shall be the ones to enforce their religious laws upon the consciences of others and those who desire to keep the commandments of God [see Daniel 3 and 6].

...it was done before, it shall be again.

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Revelation 13:8

And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. Revelation 13:12

And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. Revelation 13:15

...see also Revelation 14.

Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. John 15:20

"...yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service" John 16:2;p

So are you complaining about persecution or condemning? Maybe both?

You're application of Scripture could easile be said to be both. I know the SDA code.

listed · Mar 26, 2012

Stryder06 said:
Hebrew Vision News: Catholic Church and Trade Unions Form Holy Alliance to Enforce Sunday Observance & The Battle For Sunday

So does this alone make the RCC the devil? Just an expression of hate if you ask me.

LittleLambofJesus · Mar 26, 2012

Stryder06 said:
Hebrew Vision News: Catholic Church and Trade Unions Form ‘Holy Alliance’ to Enforce Sunday Observance & The Battle For Sunday

The RCC and EOC also seem to want to form a "holy alliance" :angel:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7469898/
A Holy Alliance between Rome and Moscow Is Born

ROME (Chiesa) - Benedict XVI will soon create a new "pontifical council" expressly dedicated to the "new evangelization." Not for mission countries where the congregation "de propaganda fide" is already at work. But for the countries of ancient Christian tradition that are today in danger of losing the faith.

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LittleLambofJesus · Mar 26, 2012

listed said:
So does this alone make the RCC the devil? Just an expression of hate if you ask me.

Do we really have to go there?

http://www.christianforums.com/t5445935-10/#post35263889
For the Last Time, Roman Catholics Aren't the Pharisees!

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

John 8:44 `Ye out of a father the Devil are, and the desires/epiqumiaV <1939> of the father of ye, ye are willing to be doing.
That one a man-killer was from beginning and in the truth not has stood, that not is truth in him.
Whenever he may be talking, the falsehood out of the own/P he is talking, that a falsifier he is and the father of it.
[Reve 18:14]

listed · Mar 26, 2012

LittleLambofJesus said:
Do we really have to go there?

http://www.christianforums.com/t5445935-10/#post35263889
For the Last Time, Roman Catholics Aren't the Pharisees!

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

John 8:44 `Ye out of a father the Devil are, and the desires/epiqumiaV <1939> of the father of ye, ye are willing to be doing.
That one a man-killer was from beginning and in the truth not has stood, that not is truth in him.
Whenever he may be talking, the falsehood out of the own/P he is talking, that a falsifier he is and the father of it.
[Reve 18:14]

Tell me that Stryder didn't take us there. That is exactly the purpose.

LittleLambofJesus · Mar 26, 2012

listed said:
Tell me that Stryder didn't take us there. That is exactly the purpose.

The SDAs are rather infatuated with the RCC and Papacy being in prophecy. Nothing new there

http://www.christianforums.com/t6982465-107/#post44368491
Is Sunday worship the mark of the beast?

Is Sunday worship the mark of the beast?
I am becoming convinced that the 7th day adventists might be right about this after all (I'm not an adventist, we don't have that religion over here).. I quote from William Cooper's book 'Behold a pale horse'...The Pope has challenged world leaders by claiming that the people of the world already recognise the authority of Rome because they observe the Sunday Sabbath that was ordered by the Pope in the council of Laodicea in AD 364. The seventh day, the sabbath as handed down to Moses by God is Saturday, the celebration of Sunday as the sabbath is verification that the people recognize the Pope as superior to God''...

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Stryder06 · Mar 26, 2012

listed said:
Tell me that Stryder didn't take us there. That is exactly the purpose.

Stryder DIDN'T take you there. I said nothing hateful. I simply posted a link. Take that for what it's worth.

Stryder06 · Mar 26, 2012

LittleLambofJesus said:
The SDAs are rather infatuated with the RCC and Papacy being in prophecy. Nothing new there

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No more than the reformers who came before us.

LittleLambofJesus · Mar 26, 2012

Stryder06 said:
No more than the reformers who came before us.

No arguement with me there

http://www.christianforums.com/t7515165/
Was the "Reformation" a failure?

Lysimachus · Mar 26, 2012

listed said:
You're so entwined in EGW that you don't recognize her when presented. One doesn't have to quote her to convey her doctrines.

This is what I call the classic come-back of evangelical Christians when they get annoyed with Adventists quoting scriptures. They resort to EGW attacks instead of dealing with the arguments on their own merits.

Well I've got news for you listed. 100% of Adventist theology on the Law of God and Prophecy was founded by the Reformers and early Adventist pioneers before Ellen White.

I bet you didn't even know that approximately 75 expositors the world over believed that the 2300 days of Daniel 8:14 terminated somewhere in the 1840s? In fact, some even believed that at the end of the 2300 days, this was the beginning of a "revival and reformation" and "return to apostolic times". Some had it even more correct than Miller. But God used Miller to draw the world's attention to 1844.

Also, about 10-15 authors before EGW and Miller, around 1798 and beyond believed that the 1260 years of Papal Supremacy was from 538-1798 (or dates very close).

Adventists didn't get their doctrines from EGW. They got them from the Bible, and a comparison of the prophetic declarations with history.

The Lord, however, was gracious to send EGW as a "binding glue" to encourage the believers, bring unity to the Church, and provide deeper spiritual insight into what the pioneers had already discovered. The Lord sent her to help the believers in PRACTICAL living, urging the importance of putting sin OUT of their lives, coming into unity, and developing true brotherly love. God sent EGW to help purge the threshing floor, and help God's end-time people purify themselves and ready themselves for translation. The reason why people hate her so much is because the Lord sent her to help people see their need of character perfection. People who do not want to perfect their characters, and keep God's commandments fully, do not like Ellen White. Why? Because to heed her counsels requires bearing a cross. But that's not comfortable you see.

It's because they want "easy religion" that gratifies the flesh that they completely and outrightly reject her writings. The attacks on her so called "contradictions" and "plagiarism" is all a cover-up to make themselves feel better.

Without the Spirit of Prophecy to help "affirm" the doctrines of the Church, the Church will end up falling apart, and splitting off into all sorts of directions. There will be disunity and discord. Without the Spirit of Prophecy guiding us, we attempt to solve everything blindly.

It is the rejection of the Spirit of Prophecy as to EXACTLY why there are so many denominations today.

LittleLambofJesus · Mar 26, 2012

Originally Posted by listed You're so entwined in EGW that you don't recognize her when presented. One doesn't have to quote her to convey her doctrines.

Lysimachus said:
This is what I call the classic come-back of evangelical Christians when they get annoyed with Adventists quoting scriptures. They resort to EGW attacks instead of dealing with the arguments on their own merits.

Well I've got news for you listed. 100% of Adventist theology on the Law of God and Prophecy was founded by the Reformers and early Adventist pioneers before Ellen White.

It is the rejection of the Spirit of Prophecy as to EXACTLY why there are so many denominations today.

Prophecies are a dime a dozen nowadays.
Wonder how the fulfilled/failed prophecies ration of the SDAs E.W. compares to those of the JW's J.S>

http://www.christianforums.com/t7398094-5/#post52806496
What are some of the failed prophecies of Ellen G White

http://www.christianforums.com/t674698-7/#post7929200
Failed prophecies of joseph smith

listed · Mar 26, 2012

Lysimachus said:
This is what I call the classic come-back of evangelical Christians when they get annoyed with Adventists quoting scriptures. They resort to EGW attacks instead of dealing with the arguments on their own merits.

Well I've got news for you listed. 100% of Adventist theology on the Law of God and Prophecy was founded by the Reformers and early Adventist pioneers before Ellen White.

I bet you didn't even know that approximately 75 expositors the world over believed that the 2300 days of Daniel 8:14 terminated somewhere in the 1840s? In fact, some even believed that at the end of the 2300 days, this was the beginning of a "revival and reformation" and "return to apostolic times". Some had it even more correct than Miller. But God used Miller to draw the world's attention to 1844.

Also, about 10-15 authors before EGW and Miller, around 1798 and beyond believed that the 1260 years of Papal Supremacy was from 538-1798 (or dates very close).

Adventists didn't get their doctrines from EGW. They got them from the Bible, and a comparison of the prophetic declarations with history.

The Lord, however, was gracious to send EGW as a "binding glue" to encourage the believers, bring unity to the Church, and provide deeper spiritual insight into what the pioneers had already discovered. The Lord sent her to help the believers in PRACTICAL living, urging the importance of putting sin OUT of their lives, coming into unity, and developing true brotherly love. God sent EGW to help purge the threshing floor, and help God's end-time people purify themselves and ready themselves for translation. The reason why people hate her so much is because the Lord sent her to help people see their need of character perfection. People who do not want to perfect their characters, and keep God's commandments fully, do not like Ellen White. Why? Because to heed her counsels requires bearing a cross. But that's not comfortable you see.

It's because they want "easy religion" that gratifies the flesh that they completely and outrightly reject her writings. The attacks on her so called "contradictions" and "plagiarism" is all a cover-up to make themselves feel better.

Without the Spirit of Prophecy to help "affirm" the doctrines of the Church, the Church will end up falling apart, and splitting off into all sorts of directions. There will be disunity and discord. Without the Spirit of Prophecy guiding us, we attempt to solve everything blindly.

It is the rejection of the Spirit of Prophecy as to EXACTLY why there are so many denominations today.

Oh pleeeaaaseee!

I'm not annoyed with any one quoting the Scripture within it context. I've as well as other shown the twisting that goes on with the definitions.

Yes other may have wery well said similar or even the same things. I see no support for them either. It appears that you make wild claims and expect people to just fall over themselves eating it up.

I don't care what 75 unnamed expositors said. Or 10-15 unnamed authors prior to EGW. I see no appeal to the Scripture but selected human reasoning.

If SDA folks don't get their doctrines from EGW, why is she so important in your denomination? Who is quoted outside the Bible more than anyone else in your org? I bet it is EGW or people firmly based in EGW.

I think you're simply wrong about people (Christians) not wanting to be holy as you say. Some of us realize that we are in Jesus Christ and don't push works of the law as a requirement of salvation. If I only heard this from one or two people you might have a point. That however isn't what I hear from around the globe. What I hear is very consistant from your average SDA adherant.

No I don't reject her stuff as correct because I want easy religion. I don't want religion of any kind. I have a relationship with God and not an ovligation to a social organization. My soul is worth more than that to me.

It is laughable that she will bind people together without splinter groups resulting. Look at the splinter groups of your church. Some of them have even gotten national evening news. Doesn't look well.

Yep if we all accepted EGW as the truth there would be no denominations. We'd all be SDA and even bigger than the RCC. Consider what has been done to those who dared disagree with her.

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